Bride Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan

[RevolutionThroughReason]

"Pakistanified" "Detribalized" "Pakistani controlled"

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Have you ever been to Peshawar?

Yes

Have you been to Afghanistan?

yes

Either way as I recall, Khushal is a Zazai from Paktia I think, not that that matters.*

It does he mentions growing up in Peshawar.

Yes or no would be enough.

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[Shah-i-Kot]

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It does he mentions growing up in Peshawar.






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which airport did you go to? Which airline did you use?

Im talking about your claim of having been to both Peshawar and Afghanistan? Tell us about your travels in Peshawar? Where did you stay? LOL

You are really a joker maaaaannnn LOL

[faye]

This strange and unislamic behaviour also happen among the sect called Yazidi in Northern Iraqi Kurdistan. There are only a few thousand but they are dangerous people. They are fire-worshippers.
Speculation that worship of Melek Taus was worship of Satan (who fell) have resulted in Yezidi's being persecuted as 'devil worshippers' throughout their history and persecuted.

in what way are they dangerous if they are the ones being persecuted?

[faye]

which airport did you go to? Which airline did you use?

Im talking about your claim of having been to both Peshawar and Afghanistan? Tell us about your travels in Peshawar? Where did you stay? LOL

You are really a joker maaaaannnn LOL

lynx, silly questions. i could probably go to the 'lonely planet' website for any of that information.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This strange and unislamic behaviour also happen among the sect called Yazidi in Northern Iraqi Kurdistan. There are only a few thousand but they are dangerous people. They are fire-worshippers.

They're not a sect; they don't even consider themselves Muslims, let them live as they want, it's not your concern

[RevolutionThroughReason]

which airport did you go to? Which airline did you use?

Im talking about your claim of having been to both Peshawar and Afghanistan? Tell us about your travels in Peshawar? Where did you stay? LOL

You are really a joker maaaaannnn LOL

why are you planning on bombing it?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

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It does he mentions growing up in Peshawar.






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Do you know how many Afghan refugees were in the Peshawar camps? I mean it was one of the most seismic population shifts of the last century. You can't fault Afghans in Peshawar who disagree by saying that they are "pakified" so as to say. In fact, so many of them are in Afghan enclaves that they even preserve a major part of their own dialect.

[khushal]

coming from a guy raised in Pakistani controlled, Pakistanified, detribalized Peshawar means very little.

Where are you getting this from. I was not raised in peshawar not that it matters. your guilty of ad hominem again.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Do you know how many Afghan refugees were in the Peshawar camps? I mean it was one of the most seismic population shifts of the last century. You can't fault Afghans in Peshawar who disagree by saying that they are "pakified" so as to say. In fact, so many of them are in Afghan enclaves that they even preserve a major part of their own dialect.

He' wasn't in a refugee camp from the sounds of it. Maybe Khushal can shed light on his time in Peshawar. I mean even if he was born in Afghanistan proper, it doesn't make him really an expert on the subject as numerous other Pashtuns have all confirmed his assessments are inaccurate and he himself has conceded albeit very mildly. The point was just to highlight his attempt at trying to discredit someone based on where they were born/reside boomerangs.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Where are you getting this from. I was not raised in peshawar not that it matters. your guilty of ad hominem again.

do you even know what an ad-hominem is?

[khushal]

Oh yes there is ...for example in Ghazni you'd get squished like a bug even if I stole every woman in your family. Because I'm a Hotak, we're such a huge and respected tribe, that In theory I could get away with murder and you couldn't do a damn thing.

Now don't get me wrong I don't approve of that, in fact I find that disgusting. But Tribal reputation allows you to get away with a lot It doesn't make them "off the hook" with the lesser tribe. It means , there is no law or recourse; You can try to use Jirga sure, but if the tribe is powerful. There is no way to enforce it.

more about what is flawed about Pashtunwali.

This is a red herring and it is false. If a Hotak offends a khoratai in ghazni, the khorotai is not powerless to gets its badal. The khoratai even though is weaker in ghazni is not powerless at all. There are still thousands of memebers that live in ghazni. People want to avoid wars and feuds at all costs. The majoity of it happens because they do not want to look weak to their rivals.

Your making it seem like that nanawatai is a guarantee "off the hook." the offended party does not have to forgive the offender. They want compensation not matter what depending on the matter. nanawatai is used just for the violence to stop and talks could begin.

Your orginal intention was that it was used as a guarantee off the hook and that it is encouraged and your changing the subject. good move.

[khushal]

do you even know what an ad-hominem is?

yes. your attacking me on a personal level even falsely at that. you should attack my argument therfore your guilty of ad hominem.

[khushal]

He' wasn't in a refugee camp from the sounds of it. Maybe Khushal can shed light on his time in Peshawar. I mean even if he was born in Afghanistan proper, it doesn't make him really an expert on the subject as numerous other Pashtuns have all confirmed his assessments are inaccurate and he himself has conceded albeit very mildly. The point was just to highlight his attempt at trying to discredit someone based on where they were born/reside boomerangs.

I have visited peshawar many times from the states but have never really lived there only stayed with my cousins who were born there and were raised there which I have mentioned in posts. I think thats where you have seen my posts but I myself have not really lived there. I am from jaji, paktia, thats where I was born and have lived. WE lived in a refugee camp in parachinar for awhile.
But that should not matter.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This is a red herring and it is false. If a Hotak offends a khoratai in ghazni, the khorotai is not powerless to gets its badal. The khoratai even though is weaker in ghazni is not powerless at all. There are still thousands of memebers that live in ghazni. People want to avoid wars and feuds at all costs. The majoity of it happens because they do not want to look weak to their rivals.

Your making it seem like that nanawatai is a guarantee "off the hook." the offended party does not have to forgive the offender. They want compensation not matter what depending on the matter. nanawatai is used just for the violence to stop and talks could begin.

Your orginal intention was that it was used as a guarantee off the hook and that it is encouraged and your changing the subject. good move.

Not False at all, even Admin Khan corroborates my statement.

nice try ..your Khushal says so, has been denied by others who probably have more time in Afghanistan than you do.

Most of the Ghazni Kharotan have been transferred to Qunduz at the Turn of the Century; The Kharotan are not that powerful in Ghazni anymore; they were powerful more a few hundred years ago.

Now I'm not saying a tribe won't try to fight back, but let's say a Kuchi comes , steals a Zazai girl and then his karawan comes to a Hotak area and asks for nanawatai, it will happen. And no matter how many threats a Zazai will make; the Hotak are powerful enough to find them off EASILY. So they can't enforce any law, only try to get revenge. This is not , this is bruised ego. so this would not necessarily dissuade some something like kidnapping. It depends on how powerful the clans are.

you are wrong and several forum members have confirmed that you are. Your rose tinted ideas of Pashtun Morality, don't exist

[khushal]

Wow interesting custom... thanks for enhancing my knowledge Randolph. Very interesting.

It almost sounds like you wished you lived there. you cant attract the opposite sex so the kidnapping tactic sounds good to you.

havi--> "very innnnnteeeeerrrrresssssssting" while looking for tickets to the Kyrzyg capital