Brotherhood claims victory in Egypt presidential election

[Friend]

The Islamic priorities are not to improve lives. Islam is not some socialist ideology.

Liberating Al Quds has a higher priority than fighting poverty.

Both should be addressed at the same time. Inner cleansing is also very important because it provides base for the higher goal that you are talking about. educating the nation, cleansing them, calling them to the right path and forbidding them from the wrong will make them a strong nation but at the same time we should keep the passion for jihad alive in our hearts.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Both should be addressed at the same time. Inner cleansing is also very important because it provides base for the higher goal that you are talking about. educating the nation, cleansing them, calling them to the right path and forbidding them from the wrong will make them a strong nation but at the same time we should keep the passion for jihad alive in our hearts.

Did Abu Bakr and Umar hand out welfare checks or did they attack and conquered the world?

[Friend]

Did Abu Bakr and Umar hand out welfare checks or did they attack and conquered the world?

That is a long argument. Today running the system, good governance, law and order in the country, educating the nation, Islamic ideology, economic position, international relations on the basis of equality and honor and many other things should be the priority for the Muslim govts.
Along with this they should keep the passion for jihad alive in the hearts of their nation. Today Muslims countries can't even defend themselves and you are talking about invasion ?
Let them make unite a few if not all.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

That is a long argument. Today running the system, good governance, law and order in the country, educating the nation, Islamic ideology, economic position, international relations on the basis of equality and honor and many other things should be the priority for the Muslim govts.

Nobody is going to allow you to do any of that stuff you are mentioning if you don't have self-determination. And self determination is gained by force. Not by playing around. Liberation of Muslim lands will allow Muslims to develop and progress. As long as you are in shackles and chains you won't do anything but talking.

Along with this they should keep the passion for jihad alive in the hearts of their nation. Today Muslims countries can't even defend themselves and you are talking about invasion ?
Let them make unite a few if not all.

Liberating al Quds is not offense. Its defense. Palestine is Muslim land, remember?

[Friend]

Nobody is going to allow you to do any of that stuff you are mentioning if you don't have self-determination. And self determination is gained by force. Not by playing around. Liberation of Muslim lands will allow Muslims to develop and progress. As long as you are in shackles and chains you won't do anything but talking.




Liberating al Quds is not offense. Its defense. Palestine is Muslim land, remember?

But that is only possible if you throw the black sheeps from among the Muslim themselves. Like in Egypt you have cleanse the army, in Pakistan, you have cleanse the pro american army and politician, the agents sitting in the beaurocracy of every Muslim country.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

But that is only possible if you throw the black sheeps from among the Muslim themselves. Like in Egypt you have cleanse the army, in Pakistan, you have cleanse the pro american army and politician, the agents sitting in the beaurocracy of every Muslim country.

Yes, before you start cleansing, you need a very well educated and dedicated group of people who are trustworthy and reliable.

That's not going to happen if you have so many small and rivaling Islamic factions all over the place.

[randolph85]

I guess Burhanuddin Rabbani, Ahmed Shah Massoud, Hekmatyar, Sayyaf and other Ikhwanis never killed any civilians, right? And the Ikhwanis in the Gaza strip never killed any innocent civilians right?

You should stop reading comics and pay more attention to what goes on around the world.

And mind you, the first Sunni Islamic movement that used "suicide-bombings" as a method was none other than Ikhwanul Muslimeen.

i am talking about the brotherhood in egypt. if you want to put together all the brotherhood influenced groups with the egyptian brotherhood, than you might as well fault islam as well since all these groups are muslim.

there is a difference between using suicide bombings against an enemy and using it against civilians.

[randolph85]

Dr. Pape has explained with research and data that the uptick in suicide bombings within Iraq and Afghanistan directly correlated with the US and NATO occupation, respectively. He concluded that if there is no occupation, there is no suicide bombings.


In regards to suicide bombing, it was Hezbollah who introduced it, and Hamas which is an off shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, that utilized it repeatedly in Palestine.

what is your point? the uptick in violent crime in the US is correlated with poverty, so do you excuse all the criminals in this country? also, hezbollah did not introduce suicide bombings.

[randolph85]

Did Abu Bakr and Umar hand out welfare checks or did they attack and conquered the world?

the caliphs were not fighting enemies that had drones, fighter jets, battleships, sattelite technology, nuclear weapons, long range missiles, or military bases on every side of the world.

poverty = weakness

people like you think that someone who can't even afford toilet paper to wipe his *** is going to liberate jerusalem lol how has that been working out in the last 60 years?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

i am talking about the brotherhood in egypt. if you want to put together all the brotherhood influenced groups with the egyptian brotherhood, than you might as well fault islam as well since all these groups are muslim.

there is a difference between using suicide bombings against an enemy and using it against civilians.

cartoon boy, all brotherhood branches around the world were founded either by egyptians or they were schooled by them. They all share the exact same background and ideology.

Even al Qaeda was founded by members of the Brotherhood.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

people like you think

Don't assume things about me. You don't know nothing about me.

Besides, the drones, the high-tech military of your country was defeated in Afghanistan.

Victory comes from Allah. Not from technology.

The Romans and Persians were the most advanced and developed societies with the most modern military when they were defeated by illiterate Arabs from the desert.

Just like your country was defeated in Afghanistan by simple people armed with AK's and fertilizer.

[Shah-i-Kot]

what is your point? the uptick in violent crime in the US is correlated with poverty, so do you excuse all the criminals in this country? also, hezbollah did not introduce suicide bombings.

The point is that the foreign interference in the form of war or diplomatic interference causes this.

You missed the point. Wherever there is occupation or oppression, there will always be resistance to it.

In Syria, Assad is employing a well armed Alawite army with street thugs to kill the Syrian people. Hence, in fighting this superior well armed force, the Syrian rebels have to utilize assymetric warfare whatever it entails, even suicide attacks. This is not a matter of opinion, but of fact.

Hezbollah were one of the first groups from that region to start using suicide attacks.

Of course if one is to look at the people who started this- it would be the Kamikaze Japanese pilots from World War 2.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

this statement alone says that they support the resistance

But they view the Taliban as illegitimate resistance see? If they he wouldn't be calling Taliban activities as illegitimate.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The point is that the foreign interference in the form of war or diplomatic interference causes this.

You missed the point. Wherever there is occupation or oppression, there will always be resistance to it.

In Syria, Assad is employing a well armed Alawite army with street thugs to kill the Syrian people. Hence, in fighting this superior well armed force, the Syrian rebels have to utilize assymetric warfare whatever it entails, even suicide attacks. This is not a matter of opinion, but of fact.
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Actually the suicide attackers are Saudi militants infiltrating and corrupting the resistance.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Don't assume things about me. You don't know nothing about me.

Besides, the drones, the high-tech military of your country was defeated in Afghanistan.

Victory comes from Allah. Not from technology.

The Romans and Persians were the most advanced and developed societies with the most modern military when they were defeated by illiterate Arabs from the desert.

Just like your country was defeated in Afghanistan by simple people armed with AK's and fertilizer.

What about your country of Holland?