Nine men found guilty in Rochdale sex grooming case

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I am sure you know there are many similar cases here and too many more that have not been caught.

Mostly (99%) it is men from Pakistan but I think thats because there are more Pakistanis in UK than say Afghans. I think mainly Punjabis including those from Mirpur (no relation to Kashmiris), but no doubt some from KP. There are also some Afghans coming to light now, and a few Kurds and Iranians been caught too I think.

Perpetrators nearly 100% of them are "Muslims". I am talking about these types of cases & not other crime.

it's a sick mentality in our culture than just because a woman is not a Muslim, she's a free target to be raped

[Al Hanif]

it's a sick mentality in our culture than just because a woman is not a Muslim, she's a free target to be raped

It's your culture, not mine.

[Wahe Guru]

It is not about this manner and that manner. Rape is rape.
What we need to do is to go into the root cause and find ways how can we stop it. This should not be made muslims non muslims issue. Punishment should be given no matter whoever has done the crime.
and who knows these are Muslims. There are millions of people having Muslim names but they are Christian and qadyanis and many other kuffaar. So again don't make it a muslim non muslim issue.

No Christians or Qadianis or whatever involved. Only Muslims though admittedly they are low-educated or no-educated Muslims.

It is not a Muslim v non-Muslim issue. More of a Muslim (and Pakistani) issue, but I think if there were more Afghans in UK (of similar thinking) they would behave in the same way. I myself saw two Afghans once in a train learing and laughing at white girls who were doing nothing to deserve it. Those guys only stopped it when some white guys got angry with them.

You sound sensible. Don't go diverting from the issue.

Read here:
ISLAMIC LEADER: 'PAKISTANI COMMUNITY ELDERS IGNORED GROOMING'


Warning: Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation said 'there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race'

The leader of the Ramadhan Foundation has accused Pakistani community elders of 'burying their heads in the sand' on the issue of on-street grooming.

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the group, said police should not let the 'issue of race' stop them from addressing the issue.

The Ramadhan Foundation is a Manchester-based moderate Muslim youth group that works for 'peaceful co-existence and dialogue for all communities'.

Mr Shafiq said: 'There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community, there is an over-representation amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming, there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.

'They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community.

'I urge the police and the councils not to be frightened to address this issue, there is a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over sensitive.'

He added: 'I have been overwhelmed by the support the Ramadhan Foundation has been given by young people for our campaign on child grooming but concerned that community elders are once again burying their heads in the sand, this concerns us all and we must speak out.

'The community elders need to learn from the reaction of young people and reject any attempt to silence the reaction from our community.'

He said the police would need to 'reflect on their failures' in this case.

'Finally the far-Right and fascist movements are not welcome to Rochdale, we reject their division and hatred and it has no place in a tolerant and diverse society.
'These criminals have brought shame on themselves, their families and our community'
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation

'We will learn lessons from this case but not allow outsiders to divide us,' Mr Shafiq added.

But Asian Labour MP Keith Vaz warned that blaming a particular race or religion for grooming young girls for sex risks opening up a Pandora's box over race relations.

Mr Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, said the root causes of the criminality against young girls needs to be addressed and the focus taken off the ethnic origin, religion or geographical location of those involved.

Mr Shafiq also today paid tribute to the bravery of the victims. 'Without their contribution justice would not have been possible,' he said.

'Today's guilty verdicts are to be welcomed and I hope the message goes out that if you engage in these crimes, you will be caught and brought to justice.

'These criminals have brought shame on themselves, their families and our community.'

[Wahe Guru]

it's a sick mentality in our culture than just because a woman is not a Muslim, she's a free target to be raped

Thats the problem causing this particular crime.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's your culture, not mine.

Think again

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/19/nyheter/voldtekt/innenriks/overgrep/politiet/17354669/

(Dagbladet): Right in front of Parliament, while the capital seethed with life, was a Norwegian woman in their 20s raped at 2:30 o'clock Sunday morning. A 15-year-old North African has been charged in the case. woman was raped in front of the main entrance to Parliament, right in the center of Oslo

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Thats the problem causing this particular crime.

honestly I think the only solution is our own communities being harsh with these types of men; even labeling them kafirs if necessary , because the word kafir has a lot of emotional and mental power; if someone is aligned as a kafir they feel ostracized and disempowered.

[Al Hanif]

Think again
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/19/n...tiet/17354669/

What think again ?

North African does not mean Berber.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

What think again ?

North African does not mean Berber.

It sure does, considering even the "Arabs" of north Africa are actually Berbers

[Al Hanif]

It sure does, considering even the "Arabs" of north Africa are actually Berbers

That's hilarious.

But not as hilarious as the moment when I found Toramana's facebook and saw his first and last name.

It was litterally the most Arabic name I ever came across in my life.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

whatever helps you sleep at night

[Khostai]

honestly I think the only solution is our own communities being harsh with these types of men; even labeling them kafirs if necessary , because the word kafir has a lot of emotional and mental power; if someone is aligned as a kafir they feel ostracized and disempowered.

No that's not true, the word kafir is used so many times that it lost its power, and peopel who do such things will never be afraid by just a word kafir -_-
Even on this forum almost everyone is caling somebody a kafir and did you see any change in there behaviour? I don't see it.
thise peopel are animals that should be castrated or killed...

[Wahe Guru]

99% of them are dark skinned.

You are dark skinned, I am not.

See what I mean ?

These people should be beheaded according to Islamic law.

Their religion is irrelevant.

I'm sure they don't have any religion, just look at the Pakistanis on this forum, most of them are atheists.

They don't even have a beard.

But they're dark skinned.

If you are not dark skinned then perhaps you are not really who you think you are? Do some research why you are not dark skinned? Look up Vandals. Then Romans. Then Barbary pirates etc. etc.

This must be a real Berber:
berber dk 2 images.jpeg

And this one mixed with a real Arab:
berber dke.jpg

All other Berbers (and Arabs) are like "Ready Mixed" or not really Berbers and Arabs.

As for these Pakistanis committing the crimes being discussed in this thread, they need to be taught that Muslim women and non-Muslim women should be respected in exactly the same way, not taught that you can do whatever you want to non-Muslim women.

[Wahe Guru]

yeah look at this sikh he is not caught red handed on the cam.
pedophile busted on dateline again - YouTube
Sikh Pedophile expresses no remorse - YouTube

He is 1 individual criminal who is not doing this as part of a gang of 9 or 10 Sikhs committing crimes against Muslim or other non-Sikh children and females.

In UK everyday it is surfacing how these gangs of Pakistani, supposed to be Muslims and some with their own children, are involved in this sort of crime in many different towns and cities. More will be caught in future no doubt - before it was being ignored.

[Wahe Guru]

nice try but you turning this into a muslim thing has failed.
first of all according to islam these people would have been punished more severly maybe even death,so it is not muslims but criminals.
offcourse the haters will make this as if this is something from Islam or somehow justified in Islam.

I am not saying Islam is telling them this is OK to do. But they need to be taught that everyone in the world should be treated like humans. If they knew that then they would not be doing this to non-Muslims only and grooming these young girls.

The laws in UK are very mild. In prison they will probably have better conditions than they would have in their village wherever they came from.

[Al Hanif]

If you are not dark skinned then perhaps you are not really who you think you are? Do some research why you are not dark skinned? Look up Vandals. Then Romans. Then Barbary pirates etc. etc.

This must be a real Berber:
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And this one mixed with a real Arab:
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All other Berbers (and Arabs) are like "Ready Mixed" or not really Berbers and Arabs.

As for these Pakistanis committing the crimes being discussed in this thread, they need to be taught that Muslim women and non-Muslim women should be respected in exactly the same way, not taught that you can do whatever you want to non-Muslim women.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

I can feel your jealousy just from what you typed.

I don't want to spend my time discussing about your obsession with whiteness but I feel the need to educate you.

The dark sinned people who speak Berber are Black Africans who stole our culture and language.

They are called Tuaregs and they are not ethnically Berber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people

Berbers look like this :










Even the Egyptians knew that there were light skinned people in North Africa :



Libyan, Nubian, Asiatic, Egyptian

Found in Egyptian tomb of Seti I who died in 1279 BC

The Barbary Pirates are my ancestors who went to Europe and enslaved Europeans, they don't look Black to me :



Romans ? They conquered all of Europe, all of Mediterranea but they didn't mixed with Carthaginians who were my ancestors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Carthage

Carthaginian coin :



Nope. Doesn't look Black.


Man, your inferiority complex is hilarious but you should discuss whiteness with other people.

I am not interested in your theories.

I know who are my people, I know who I am.

Our skin is white or with light olive complexion but we're not Europeans and we're not Black.

Don't make me waste my time again.