Nine men found guilty in Rochdale sex grooming case

[Manzareh]

yes..but why is it mostly "Muslim" men doing this in UK in this manner and not non-Muslims doing this particular crime? Show me similar cases in UK, where it was mostly non-Muslim men?

Why focus on UK? do you want me show you some things Hindu/Sikh men do to women in India? things that no other race can even think of! human is human which ever country your in. I live in the UK, indian/sikh girls are involved in sexual activities from as young as 12 or 13. another reason why 'wahe guru's' like you have hatred for Muslims is because your women run off with Muslim boys. you know its true.

[Manzareh]

As for these Pakistanis committing the crimes being discussed in this thread, they need to be taught that Muslim women and non-Muslim women should be respected in exactly the same way, not taught that you can do whatever you want to non-Muslim women.

You have some ridiculous statements, your assuming all these men were religious and had it in their head that they are only going to take advantage of non-muslim girls, WRONG these disgusting types of people will take advantage of any girl that is hanging about on the streets late night, drinking alcohol and smoking drugs regardless of race or religion, they are vultures and opportunists, if they came across muslim girls at the ages of 14 - 15 that had the freedom and mentality that these white girls did then they would jump on them too. This has nothing to do with Islam guru sahib, either you have an IQ of a brush or desperately attempting to demonize people as you are all brought up and taught by your elders to hate pakistanis/muslims.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Why focus on UK? do you want me show you some things Hindu/Sikh men do to women in India? things that no other race can even think of! human is human which ever country your in. I live in the UK, indian/sikh girls are involved in sexual activities from as young as 12 or 13. another reason why 'wahe guru's' like you have hatred for Muslims is because your women run off with Muslim boys. you know its true.

are you saying Pakistani girls don't run off with Sikh boys? I know it happens just as much as the other way around. Perhaps that's why Pakis feel emasculated and feel this urge to redeem themselves by this sick psychology of raping women?

Wahe Guru isn't suggesting anything that Islam teaches men to rape or that Muslims are all rapists; he's saying there is a mentality that exists and it exists amongst Muslims that raping a non-Muslim girl is not a crime and even desirable. Don't pretend that isn't true.

[khushal]

And no, I never claimed or want to be an afghan. Why would I? I'm happy being on a pashtun side that's more educated, prosperous and economically superior.

If your so superior, then what are you doing in the UK collecting welfare?

[khushal]

are you saying Pakistani girls don't run off with Sikh boys? I know it happens just as much as the other way around. Perhaps that's why Pakis feel emasculated and feel this urge to redeem themselves by this sick psychology of raping women?

Wahe Guru isn't suggesting anything that Islam teaches men to rape or that Muslims are all rapists; he's saying there is a mentality that exists and it exists amongst Muslims that raping a non-Muslim girl is not a crime and even desirable. Don't pretend that isn't true.

Ive never heard of this.

[KhyberKhan]

your comeback was basically saying the exact same things I said to you. in reverse.

No it wasn't, re-read it instead of bringing up buttocks amongst other baseless things...shows what's on your mind, you desperate virgin.

[Karachi]

are you saying Pakistani girls don't run off with Sikh boys? I know it happens just as much as the other way around. Perhaps that's why Pakis feel emasculated and feel this urge to redeem themselves by this sick psychology of raping women?

Wahe Guru isn't suggesting anything that Islam teaches men to rape or that Muslims are all rapists; he's saying there is a mentality that exists and it exists amongst Muslims that raping a non-Muslim girl is not a crime and even desirable. Don't pretend that isn't true.

I only know of one case like that here in Canada, and even that the guy supposedly converted to Islam later

[KhyberKhan]

If your so superior, then what are you doing in the UK collecting welfare?

lol you mad cos I said afghans were flocking to KP? ahh ahha ha ha.

P.s. I have a very good job. Paid off house with cash and still in my mid 20's. You keep hating though. Loving the cheap shots.

Do you want me to sponsor you on a visit to the UK? Since that's just about what every afghan wants these days.

In the meantime I'll lead the path like an alpha.

[Afghanistan2010]

Brother Khyber,you are going to far.

Khabare ne fekar kawa,khalk khapa kiji pe de bande.


Further i wanted to say :

KhyberKhan 1 (uno,un point,ein,one) ----------- Revolution 0 (nyete,zero,nada,null)

[KhyberKhan]

oh sup.





Four Afghan asylum seekers have been arrested over claims that they sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl in a public swimming pool.



The youths, aged 14 to 17, are alleged to have attacked the girl while they were on a supervised visit to a leisure centre.



It is not known whether their 'carer' was in the water at the time.



After the victim complained to police, officers studied CCTV footage from the leisure centre and arranged for the youths to attend a police station for questioning.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1uyZUe4a9

[Afghanistan2010]

I had never national feelings,and i don't want to sound national,but brother afghans will remain afghans,i know there are alot of bad afghans inside and outside afghanistan,but at the same time im aware of the doings (including the homosexuality rise) in KP especially in Pekhawar.We shouldn't discuss such issues,because these issues will hurt some parties.

We should all behave like decent people,what will people say when they read such comments by a "pashtun" against afghans.

[KhyberKhan]

Brother Khyber,you are going to far.

Khabare ne fekar kawa,khalk khapa kiji pe de bande.


Further i wanted to say :

KhyberKhan 1 (uno,un point,ein,one) ----------- Revolution 0 (nyete,zero,nada,null)

Wrora, gham maka kawa - I won't post anymore on this other than to say the following...

I'm only being vulgar to this freak who sits online all day looking to attack people who don't support his mystical, grave-worshipping, mutazali views. He thinks Afghanistan is dominated by sufism? How deluded can one get?

You'd think he would have his priorities right, not that it has any relevance to me but un-married, mid-30's and probably still in education. So consider what i'm saying to him a reality check. On a sidenote, a pf- forum member (name shall remain anonymous) has messaged me telling me in the past he tried to groom a young pashtana on here but she saw what his was up to from a mile-off. Alarm bells are ringing, especially when you consider the above.

Secondly, people like him who like to bark at others for not being pashtun (to try and run them off the board) , but little did he know that I would call him out too for not being of 100% pashtun pedigree. What gives the right to some yemeni whose father happens to hold an afghan passport to attack a decent brother like Hanif just cos he is of a certain background? pot calling kettle black.

If I offended any Afghans here I'm sorry. Okay, I accept I have been quite loose-tongued but likewise Afghans have hit back (as expected), so I'm going to square it. I don't however make any apologies to innovators like this freak whose sole aim is to dilute and christianize our deen and will continue to call him out whenever I happen to be online (which is quite little these days). Nevertheless, if it makes him fester in his sweat, it can only be a good thing eh?

P.s. notice who is always hitting the thanks button to his posts. A dead give-away of those that support his baatil views.

[Wahe Guru]

^^^^^^^^^^^ This isn't just a Pakistani problem. The rapists belonged to other nationalities as well.

Running sex rackets in western europe is also often the work of east europeans too.

Rapists belong to all nationalities.
Running sex rackets is common in europe, america, india, PAKISTAN!!!!, and all places.

But what is noted from this case and others, that in UK it is mainly a Pakistani men problem of grooming young girls for sex using various means, and these sex groomers and rapists pick only on non-Muslim, mainly white child girls and (when they can) Sikh child girls too. It is often known to these Pakistani criminals friends and relatives and co-workers when these criminals are doing all this, but because these victims are non-Muslim children they all keep quiet instead of going to the police.

About 87% of the men involved in such cases last year were Pakistani calling themselves Muslims. I see that everywhere it is written as "Asian" men. Very nice for these Pakistanis to hide as Asians when convenient.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/may/09/sex-grooming-far-right-asian

"Writing in Tuesday's Times, Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Rochdale-based Ramadhan Foundation, reports how elders in his own community have shrugged their shoulders at child-sex grooming by young men, sometimes aware that it is shameful, sometimes inclined to keep silent rather than do the BNP's work for it, sometimes inclined to blame wider British society for the over-sexualisation – good point – of the young.

Shafiq himself has been campaigning in vain for years and now declares the taboo broken. Good. He also reports that 59 of the recent spate of 68 convictions have been of men of Pakistani origin. He praises the courage of the girls who spoke out to give evidence and reminds Lancashire Muslim community elders that they are "no different from our own wives and daughters".

"That's an important point because the trial again made clear that the convicted rapists did not regard their victims as such. Quite the opposite, they were trying to square their highly conservative cultural traditions, those of rural Pakistani villages, often their religious piety too (one of the rapists was revered for his knowledge of the Qur'an), with their need for off-the-books sex. Poor English girls plied with drink and threats were one solution.

This "otherness" is crucial to most forms of cruelty down the ages. Once the perpetrator has established the less-than-human inferiority of their victim – Yids, Polacks, ******s, pakis, chinks, abos, kaffirs – then anything is permissible. The British empire did its share, as do most empires past and present. To the litany of familiar abuse can now be added Lancashire girls."

"Last week it emerged that more than 2,000 young victims of grooming have been identified since January 2008, but the problem is a “hidden issue” and likely to be seriously underestimated by police, social services and charities.

Peter Davies, Ceop’s chief executive, launched the investigation after former home secretary Jack Straw accused some Pakistani men in Britain of seeing white girls as “easy meat” for sexual abuse."

"Yet ANOTHER UK Muslim Sexual Grooming Ring Charged

Eight men were due in court this morning following a police probe into the alleged grooming of young girls.

All of the suspects, from Rochdale, were charged late last night with conspiracy to commit penetrative sexual activity with a female under 16 years.

The men are Abdul Rauf, 42, of Darley Road; Liaqat Shah, 40, of Kensington Road; Adil Khan, 41, of Oswald Street; Qamar Shahzad, 29, of Conisborough; Mohammed Sajid, 34, of Jepheys Street; Mohammed Ikhlaq, 31, of Clover Hall Crescent; Mohammed Amin, 44, of Failinge Road and Abdul Aziz, 40, of Armstrong Hurst Close.

The men were due before magistrates in Rochdale today.

We can predict with unwavering confidence that 100% of the underage victims of these ‘men’ (invariably Pakistani Muslims), will be non-Muslim, white and come from vulnerable backgrounds."

Its endless. There must be 1000s of victims.
These criminals should be called Pakistanis not Asians. Many of the criminals turn out to be married with their own children who they will marry to their 1st cousins

[RevolutionThroughReason]

No it wasn't, re-read it instead of bringing up buttocks amongst other baseless things...shows what's on your mind, you desperate virgin.

wait a second a woman hating wahhabi who feels threatened by women , and thinks they should be hidden in a tent everywhere they go is accusing others of being desperate virgins? NOW that's a pot calling the kettle black; I guess this explains your mancrush on Anwar Al Awlaki

[RevolutionThroughReason]

lol you mad cos I said afghans were flocking to KP? ahh ahha ha ha.

P.s. I have a very good job. Paid off house with cash and still in my mid 20's. You keep hating though. Loving the cheap shots.

Do you want me to sponsor you on a visit to the UK? Since that's just about what every afghan wants these days.

In the meantime I'll lead the path like an alpha.

Anyone can make inflated claims ; we all know Pakistanis like yourself are known for lying and exaggerating.