4 Americans die in Black-Hawk crash

[Al Hanif]

If the USA didn't attacked Iraq I would believe in the 'Osama guest and Al Qaeda training camps" version and 9/11 as a justification to invade Afghanistan.




However, they did attacked Iraq which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.


Iraq was a secular country, home of no terrorist (unlike Saudi Arabia).


They did attacked Iraq using lies (Anthrax, WMDs...) and the whole world has seen their lies.


This is why millions of people, including American Veterans and other people of high positions with power and informations, refuse to believe in the official version.


This is not the first time the USA did a false flag attack :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

Now if you want to believe in the official version and use it to relieve your conscience for the crimes perpetrated in Afghanistan, you are just as criminal as Osama because the Afghan people are innocent and Osama is dead now and there is currently something like 1000 times more Al Qaeda fighters in Iraq now than in Afghanistan so why did the USA left Iraq first if Al Qaeda was a threat and not a tool to make people like you justifying things which aren't justifiable as we claim ?

[faye]

so, with your delusions of grandeur, alf, only the propagnda YOU choose to believe, is the truth.?

[Manzareh]

^ Ok what do you believe then faye, you seem to be here at the defense of America so enlighten us

[Manzareh]

you wouldn't have been so stupid if you werent born to a sandwich maker yourself. Instead of barking at me from behind your computer screen, I hope that you develope the courage to tell a real woman rather than the type by the stupidity of whom you have been caused, to go to the kitchen and make a sandwich next time you are reminded of your worthlessness so she can pay you your due by murdering you like a dirty pig with a spatula.

What kind of answer is that? you want to think your smart enough to make accusations but when you have no other answer to the rebuttals of your accusations you divert the whole subject and instead focus on bringing peoples family's into it, pathetic. I never said ALL women, i said women like YOU, i thank God my mother is at the other scale of such begherat sell out, robotic women like you..and if you have the guts to even include my mother in your ridiculous examples again i will literally portray your family to you in such a manner that youl remember for life, just some advice.

[Manzareh]

so, with your delusions of grandeur, alf, only the propagnda YOU choose to believe, is the truth.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

http://www.911review.com/articles/an...perations.html

Why are these delusions of grandeur? tell us so we can all view alf's views as delusions and propaganda. infact, how is it even propaganda?

[IamDZJ]

What kind of answer is that? you want to think your smart enough to make accusations but when you have no other answer to the rebuttals of your accusations you divert the whole subject and instead focus on bringing peoples family's into it, pathetic. I never said ALL women, i said women like YOU, i thank God my mother is at the other scale of such begherat sell out, robotic women like you..and if you have the guts to even include my mother in your ridiculous examples again i will literally portray your family to you in such a manner that youl remember for life, just some advice.

don't get on my nerves. you have wasted enough of my time today. you want a sensible argument? i was talking with someone else when you dragged your behind over to tell me of how "naive" and "ignorant" i was. when i explained those two terms to you by showing you your own mirror, you told me to go make a sandwich instead. what is that if not immaturity?
and as for sandwich makers...not all of them end up raising grown up men with the mentalities of 12 year old snotty preteens. there, clean your face and get lost.

[faye]

^ Ok what do you believe then faye, you seem to be here at the defense of America so enlighten us

i'm not defending anyone. i am pointing out, that there was said to be osama bin laden and al qaeda in afghanistan, that were said to have planned attacks and actually attacked america.
i do not know what the full truth is, will we ever, but do you deny that obl was in afghanistan and had training camps there?
do you think america would just stand by and allow these training camps to continue?
do you consider having training camps for jihad against the western world an intelligent thing to do, as a governing body of afghanistan?

[Alchemist]

Where was this resistance when Osama came to your country and ****ed your entire nation in the name of Islam by tying bombs around your children and butchering you at the hands of each other while he was hiding his own ass in some cave?? Did you have enough common sense or knowledge of islam to question him?? Innocent afghan children and women are being bombed by Americans today eleven years later because you were too much of a slave to stop him when you had the opportunity to. Zameer taso khars karay wo. Now you are reminded of innocent afghan women and children??
When a person goes out of his way to convince others of his decency, he is anything but decent. Islam staso pa fitrat k nashta zaka d islam d nom pa takrarawolo bande mo awazona nast dee. You didn't know anything about Islam then, you don't know anything about it now.

ur such a stooge.

[randolph85]

Where was this resistance when Osama came to your country and ****ed your entire nation in the name of Islam by tying bombs around your children and butchering you at the hands of each other while he was hiding his own ass in some cave?? Did you have enough common sense or knowledge of islam to question him?? Innocent afghan children and women are being bombed by Americans today eleven years later because you were too much of a slave to stop him when you had the opportunity to. Zameer taso khars karay wo. Now you are reminded of innocent afghan women and children??
When a person goes out of his way to convince others of his decency, he is anything but decent. Islam staso pa fitrat k nashta zaka d islam d nom pa takrarawolo bande mo awazona nast dee. You didn't know anything about Islam then, you don't know anything about it now.

osama didn't command a 200,000 man military alliance of armies and mercs that occupied afghanistan, nor did he go willy nilly killing afghan civilians or give orders to his hosts. harboring him was stupid but making a comparison to the nato occupation isn't much better.

[Afghanistan2010]

so, with your delusions of grandeur, alf, only the propagnda YOU choose to believe, is the truth.?

I guess,Saddam Hussein ( may Allah grant him forgiveness and paradise) had nuclear weapons not just wmd.

[Afghanistan2010]

i'm not defending anyone. i am pointing out, that there was said to be osama bin laden and al qaeda in afghanistan, that were said to have planned attacks and actually attacked america.
i do not know what the full truth is, will we ever, but do you deny that obl was in afghanistan and had training camps there?
do you think america would just stand by and allow these training camps to continue?
do you consider having training camps for jihad against the western world an intelligent thing to do, as a governing body of afghanistan?

I will tell you guys all and the world the truth about these "training camps",sheikh al jihad jalaludin haqqani the leader of the jihadi battalion for the eastern sector of the islamic emirate,had many training camps (we are talking about the time after the soviet troops landed in afghanistan and the resistance movement started their operations),in Khost,Paktia,Paktika,Waziristan and other regions,one of his training camps was named Badr (wand),after his brother was befriended with Usama Ibn Laden,Jalaludin Haqqani (hz) gave as a gift to the Arabs and other foreigners who wanted to help the afghan people during the soviet era this camp and the region to train for fighting against russians.The Americans knew this training camp and were well aware of Usama and the arab fighters,they even wanted to take contact with them,but Jalaludin Haqqani was an enemy of the Americans and its allies since this era,but other socalled mujahideen factions took the american training and help no doubt,after this the training camps remained and there were a few fighters left,and those who remained in afghanistan were fighting northern alliance apporache in the north (these stories are available by those who were themselves there interview by aljazeera and other tv channels).
And we as afghans had no knowledge of 9/11 and Twin towers (they couldn't imagine the hight of them forget about hitting them).


Afghanistan had nothing to do with any terrorism until today,the americans wanted except Usama the removal of the islamic state system,the handover of many people,giving bases to the americans in Afghanistan and and , the islamic state refused the whole 12-point plan including handing over Usama.

[IamDZJ]

osama didn't command a 200,000 man military alliance of armies and mercs that occupied afghanistan, nor did he go willy nilly killing afghan civilians or give orders to his hosts. harboring him was stupid but making a comparison to the nato occupation isn't much better.

osama turned afghan people against each other. if it wasn't for the fitna that he spread amongst afghans, the nato wouldn't even be in afghanistan. the devil that knocks on your door is no where near as harmful as the one that knocks on your soul. whether nato leaves tomorrow or ten years from now, afghans will not see peace for the next 25 years.

[Afghanistan2010]

How can you predict something of which you have no knowledge,is not Allah who does know the Unseen.

[Alchemist]

I guess,Saddam Hussein ( may Allah grant him forgiveness and paradise) :

[Manzareh]

osama turned afghan people against each other. if it wasn't for the fitna that he spread amongst afghans, the nato wouldn't even be in afghanistan. the devil that knocks on your door is no where near as harmful as the one that knocks on your soul. whether nato leaves tomorrow or ten years from now, afghans will not see peace for the next 25 years.

NATO WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN WITHOUT OBL

THE AMERICANS TURNED THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, NO OSAMA BIN LADEN WASNT AN ANGEL BUT HE IS MORE OF AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO POINT THE FINGER AND JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO STEAL THE RESOURCES. ARE YOU A STUPID BRICK WALL OR SOMETHING.

THE AMERICANS TURNED THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, NO OSAMA BIN LADEN WASNT AN ANGEL BUT HE IS MORE OF AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO POINT THE FINGER AND JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO STEAL THE RESOURCES. ARE YOU A STUPID BRICK WALL OR SOMETHING.

THE AMERICANS TURNED THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, NO OSAMA BIN LADEN WASNT AN ANGEL BUT HE IS MORE OF AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO POINT THE FINGER AND JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO STEAL THE RESOURCES. ARE YOU A STUPID BRICK WALL OR SOMETHING.

THE AMERICANS TURNED THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, NO OSAMA BIN LADEN WASNT AN ANGEL BUT HE IS MORE OF AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO POINT THE FINGER AND JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO STEAL THE RESOURCES. ARE YOU A STUPID BRICK WALL OR SOMETHING.

THE AMERICANS TURNED THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER, NO OSAMA BIN LADEN WASNT AN ANGEL BUT HE IS MORE OF AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO POINT THE FINGER AND JUSTIFY THE INVASION OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO STEAL THE RESOURCES. ARE YOU A STUPID BRICK WALL OR SOMETHING.

FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME

if in doubt read again you thick shiit. i really hope you can make sandwiches cuz if not your TOTALLY useless.