Mullen: Pakistanis export violence to Afghanistan

[unknownprince]

Pir,
do you expect things to change in the upcoming days? The US is taking a very strong approach against the Pakistani government.

Even Pakistani slave government is no longer scared of the US

[Michin Khel]

You guys are cheering a lot with anticipation that US would attack Pakistan for being naughty...If you guys want pakistan to be attacked by US then remember pashtuns of pakistan would basically suffer as US would bombar FATA the most and next most targeted regions would be KP and Quetta.
And like unknownprince i am also surprised that you guys are completly ignoring role of US in destruction of afghanistan and expect it to save your country from evil pakistan...??. It seems you guys are afraid to speak against america while living there. Unknownprince blindly supports talibans but atleast he is bold enough to express his genuine views against badmash america. Atleast he is not a coward like you guys.

[gadoonwal]

A slave govt like pakistan can not even think of standing to their master US.
They can not even feed the army until get US aid.
Kayani,pasha etc,s families are enjoying up on US aid.
Pakistan even welcome the US blame and abuse.
They are born to be slave of US and will be until it exist.
Soon you will see bot pakistani and US officail smiling,hand shaking and promise to continue their so called war on terror to kill more innocents pashtuns.
For the pashtuns living in pakistan there is no point to stay loyal to a country where they get killed everyday like rats.
After stealing everything from pashtunkhwa punjabi nowdays stealing the high quality of timber from swat,kohistan,terah,ogi,chetral and dir.
It will be an insult to the name of pashtun to support pakistani govt and army.
They did everything to destroy us for dolars and the game continue

[khushal]

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The upcoming few months are destined to witness a change specially before the senate elections in March 2012 in Pakistan.

The PAkistani senate have no control in pakistan, the army has complete control of policy. These brazen attacks are happening because of the 2012 elections in America. These attacks are to give the American public a message to tell its leaders to leave a place where they are clearly not wanted. You will witness much more bloody attacks next spring and summer. All these things are calculated. Unless NATO can change things on the ground in Afghanistan by next spring, You will see more and more politicians calling for a change in policy. Many doubt they will change anything by early next year because everything will be planned in safehavens in Pakistan and the kill/capture campaign NATO is employing only strengthens safehavens in Afghanistan by pissing off more and more people. Theya re even pissing off ANA soldiers when they witness the nightraids.

I expect a tension in US-Pak relations culminating in an increased drone frequency targetting the Haqani HQ at Miram Shah and generally elsewhere in FATA.

Drone attacks don't really accomplish anything except the next leader is more extreme than the previous one they kill. Nek Mohammad was much more moderate than batullah and batullah was more moderate than hakimullah.

I expect more bloody attacks on NATO troops by Afghan Taliban [at the behest of ISI] by which Pakistan wil try to prove her importance in Af-Pak affairs.

Shows how much you know about Afghanistan. The fighting season is coming to an end. You will see less attacks in the coming months because all the passes will be snowed in. Movement and survival is more difficult in the winter.

I expect some constraints [and in worst case embargo] on Pakistani exports to US and US aid to Pakistan.

This will never happen and pakistan is well aware of this. An embargo has the potential to weaken the pak government and strengthen the militants. This is against US interests and the reason the the US can not stop Aid to Pakistan

The worst case scenario would be the fall of current govt and the establishment of technocratic type interim govt.

They thought Iraq with a population of 25 million was going to be a picnic in the park once Saddams government falls. Imagine what would happen with a country of 180 million people.

Pakistan's policy is to threaten its neighborhood with its own instability if its interests are in jeopardy. Its government preaches on the international stage "give us aid or we will fall." While domestically behind close doors it preaches "we must Aid the Taliban or we will fall."

[gadoonwal]

You guys are cheering a lot with anticipation that US would attack Pakistan for being naughty...If you guys want pakistan to be attacked by US then remember pashtuns of pakistan would basically suffer as US would bombar FATA the most and next most targeted regions would be KP and Quetta.
And like unknownprince i am also surprised that you guys are completly ignoring role of US in destruction of afghanistan and expect it to save your country from evil pakistan...??. It seems you guys are afraid to speak against america while living there. Unknownprince blindly supports talibans but atleast he is bold enough to express his genuine views against badmash america. Atleast he is not a coward like you guys.

do,nt forget it is the US evil pumping dollars to terrorists agency like ,,isi,,.
No one want US in this region but do,nt forget no one want bloody ,,isi,,teroorist in here.
As i said why would you kill your loyal servant like pakistani govt.
The US will only bomb more pashtun areas thats all.
Those supporting US bombing of pashtunkhwa and afghanistan should be ashamed .
At the sametime ,,isi,,tools should not be supported.
Remember US will never ever bomb punjab in their dream even.
punjabis are very united and patriotic people.US will never do that cus they know where real pakistan is.
When india attack punjab in 65 punjab defended its land by using everything to keep its border but who care if pashtuns of KP get killed .They are 3rd class citizens of pakistan.
The pashtuns of pashtunkhwa is dead nation and can ,nt even protest their killing.
All you need 1000 or less paki army officers to lock the whole of pashtunkhwa people in their home or forced them out of their land.
They will leave without firing a single shot against them.They can,nt even say who is their killer.
10 hazarawal khindkyaan died in protest in abot abad and they still everyday protest against their killing and ask for justice.
Thousands of pashtuns died and they still admire their killers.


sometime i think khodaya why i was born to this benang nation.
I wish born as tamil hindo in siri lanka cus they are more geratmand and naran then us so called pashtuns.
Our gerat and pashtu is only for killing our own pashtuns thats all.
If the pashtuns do not rise against pakistan then they will become ,,changaryan,, with no land.Many already lives like ,,changaryaan,,in the streets of punjab and karachi.

[unknownprince]

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These brazen attacks are happening because of the 2012 elections in America. These attacks are to give the American public a message to tell its leaders to leave a place where they are clearly not wanted. You will witness much more bloody attacks next spring and summer. All these things are calculated. Unless NATO can change things on the ground in Afghanistan by next spring, You will see more and more politicians calling for a change in policy.

exactly. Very well thought out analysis

[Toramana]

These brazen attacks are archestrated by ISI through its Taleban stooges.

[unknownprince]

yes Toramana, you are a genius who has figured out Fermat's theorem, so you have also figured this breaking discovery.

I guess if we went back in time, you would also say that the ISI equivalent was behind Wazir Akbar Khan when he massacred the whole British Army at the Khyber ??

I guess you would also say that the defeat Mirwais dealt to the Persians was also due to ISI's predecessors. Maybe, if we could go back in time, you would then allude to the Mughal Empire intelligence as the predecessors of the ISI??

NO?

what a fool?

[checkmate]

[QUOTE]

It's a damning indictment. This article comes from the BBC.

Should Afghans not have a right to defend their homeland? Did they not defend their homeland from the Persians, the British, and then the Russians? What is different?

The most senior US military officer has accused Pakistan's spy agency of supporting the Haqqani group in last week's attack on the US Kabul embassy.

So? They might as well go the whole 9-yards and accuse such nations as China, Iran, and Russia, too? Oh, they have accused Iran. So what if Iran supports the end of this war by all means. Shouldn't all nations be striving to end this occupation and war? Is it not just? Or do you perhaps think otherwise?

"The Haqqani network... acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency," Adm Mike Mullen told a Senate panel.

yadda yadda ya. This clown can keep screaming all he wants. In a decade of a war of aggression against Afghanistan, they lost. Why should anyone support US interests which have failed?

Some 25 people died in last Tuesday's 20-hour attack on Kabul's US embassy and other official buildings.

Today, US forces killed over 19 Afghan civilians. Couple days ago, they killed 12. In anger of defeat and low morale, they are started to in fact brag about killing Afghan people. Tsk tsk, it is pathetic when a one time superpower can't accept defeat, and looks for scapegoats.

So, is this not condemnable? The thousands of airstrikes and night raids they have waged against Afghanistan? Or is it acceptable? What do you think someone in Paktika or Helmand would say to such?

Read more.

What I'm slightly more perplexed about is when it has been open knowledge for several years that there are elements in Pakistan clearly bent on destabilising the neighbourhood

So, you think the US is not the source of destabilization? Pakistan destabilized Afghanistan by supporting the US war against Afghanistan.

All freedom loving nations should support Afghanistan independence and freedom from foreign aggression.

Why do you think Afghans fight? Care to explain? Do you Afghans accept this below?

US-led forces kill 19 Afghan civilians
Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:24PM GMT
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Afghan officials say at least 19 civilians have been killed during military operations carried out by US-led forces in eastern Afghanistan, Press TV reports.

, why the US has been seemingly as supportive and 'tolerant' of Pakistan as they have. Short-termism perhaps, but it is a bizarre, if not a suicidal approach to US foreign policy.

The US foreign policy in itself is suicidal and has brought the collapse of this nation from its economy to its internal structure. There will be no recovery. Wars against any Eastern country will fail as Eastern people reject aggression, and will always fight it. the US is the obstacle to peace in Afghanistan, the rest of the region, and the rest of the world. It is fortunate for world peace that with their economical collapse also comes the end of their wars.

An unfortunate choice of word in that last sentence, but this is something that I would really like to know.

Very unfortunate choice of words, indeed!

US-led forces kill 19 Afghan civilians
Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:24PM GMT
Reddit
Afghan officials say at least 19 civilians have been killed during military operations carried out by US-led forces in eastern Afghanistan, Press TV reports.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pir,
do you expect things to change in the upcoming days? The US is taking a very strong approach against the Pakistani government.

You are right. It has gone even further and taken a stance, interpreted by many Pakistanis as possible invasion of their country.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Admin

The upcoming few months are destined to witness a change specially before the senate elections in March 2012 in Pakistan.

I expect a tension in US-Pak relations culminating in an increased drone frequency targetting the Haqani HQ at Miram Shah and generally elsewhere in FATA.

Yes, the US is talking about escalating attacks and this is the very least they would do, a strike on the Haqani network in FATA.

I expect more bloody attacks on NATO troops by Afghan Taliban [at the behest of ISI] by which Pakistan wil try to prove her importance in Af-Pak affairs.

Yes, the Taliban have attacked the US embassy in Kabul and a CIA office, which the US blames on Pakistan as the sponsor.

I expect some artificial anti-Pakistan statements by Afghan Taliban giving the world [US] the impression that they are not backed by ISI but are indigenous elements.

I expect some dangerous Abottabad typa unilateral operation [in which OSAMA was killed] in Pakistan again by the US to show Pakistan where it stands

Yes, the US said they would do further Abbotabad style operations if required and this is what seems to be being voiced now.

I expect some constraints [and in worst case embargo] on Pakistani exports to US and US aid to Pakistan.

Yes, the US is already talking about international isolation for Pakistan and comparing it to Syria, which was an "axis of evil" state.

The worst case scenario would be the fall of current govt and the establishment of technocratic type interim govt.

Yes, this is virtually happening now with Zardari's administration essentially being sidelined and key administrative and governmental duties being exercised directly by the army e.g. flood management, ensuring peace in Karachi etc.

Your post was basically correct in every way, the only thing is all of these things happened far quicker than many expected, within days and not weeks or months.