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  • Mullen: Pakistanis export violence to Afghanistan

    WASHINGTON (AP) – The top U.S. military officer on Thursday accused Pakistan of "exporting violence" to Afghanistan and said this puts in jeopardy not only the frayed U.S.-Pakistani partnership against terrorism but also the prospects for a successful outcome to the decade-old war in Afghanistan.

    In his final congressional testimony before retiring next week, Navy Adm. Mike Mullen said success in Afghanistan is threatened not only by the Pakistani government's support for the Haqqani network and other al-Qaida-aligned extremist groups but also by Afghan government corruption.
    "If we continue to draw down forces apace while such public and systemic corruption is left unchecked," Mullen told the Senate Armed Services Committee, "I believe we risk leaving behind a government in which we cannot reasonably expect Afghans to have faith. At best this would lead to localized conflicts inside the country; at worst it could lead to government collapse and civil war."
    Mullen said Pakistan's government has chosen to "use violent extremism as an instrument of policy," adding that "by exporting violence, they have eroded their internal security and their position in the region. They have undermined their international credibility and threatened their economic well-being."
    Testifying alongside Mullen, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta also decried Pakistani support for the Haqqani network, and he said Pakistani authorities have been told in unequivocal terms that the U.S. will not tolerate a continuation of the group's cross-border attacks. Panetta said the message was delivered recently by new CIA Director David Petraeus in a meeting with the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI.
    "They must take steps to prevent the safe haven that the Haqqanis are using," Panetta said. "We simply cannot allow these kinds of terrorists to be able to go into Afghanistan, attack our forces and then return to Pakistan for safe haven."
    Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich, chairman of the committee, pressed Panetta on what options are available to the U.S. to go after the Haqqani network. Panetta declined to go into details in public but made clear that the Pakistanis know what might happen.
    "I don't think they would be surprised by the actions we might or might not take," he said.
    The remarks by Mullen and Panetta highlight a notable shift in the administration's approach to Pakistan. Whereas U.S. officials previously kept their strongest criticisms of Pakistan private, in recent days they have been explicit in linking the government to extremists who are attacking U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
    Mullen, for example, said the Haqqani network "acts as a veritable arm" of Pakistan's intelligence service.
    The increasingly tough U.S. rhetoric reflects a U.S. belief that Pakistani intelligence in recent months has more aggressively facilitated cross-border attacks by the Haqqanis, one senior military official said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
    Panetta also said that U.S. and Afghan forces are searching for ways to better defend against spectacular attacks by insurgents, like the assault on the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters in Kabul last week.
    In his first congressional testimony since taking office, Panetta said it is important to limit insurgents' ability to create the perception that security in the Afghan capital is deteriorating.
    Overall, he said, the U.S. and NATO effort to stabilize Afghanistan is "headed in the right direction."
    In recent days administration officials have taken a harsher tone toward Pakistan, accusing Islamabad of maintaining links with the Haqqani network, a band of Islamist fighters that the U.S. says are behind attacks in Afghanistan, including last week's attack on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.
    Mullen, who has met frequently with his Pakistani counterpart, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, over the past few years, said in prepared remarks for the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that the Haqqanis have "long enjoyed the support and protection of the Pakistani government" and are "in many ways a strategic arm" of Pakistan's main intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency. He said the Haqqanis were behind several recent major attacks in Afghanistan, including the embassy attack and a Sept. 10 truck bomb that killed five Afghans and injured 77 U.S. soldiers.
    Mullen said earlier this week there is a "proxy connection" between Pakistani intelligence services and the Haqqanis, meaning the militants are secretly doing the Pakistanis' bidding.
    "The Haqqani piece of this has got to be reversed — period," he told the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
    Mullen said he delivered that message to Kayani last week during a meeting in Spain.
    Late last week, Panetta asserted that the U.S. will do whatever necessary to stop the Haqqani network attacks on U.S. forces. He would not say whether that means that the U.S. will take new military action, but there already has been an increase in U.S. drone strikes into Pakistan's border regions.
    After the U.S. raided Osama bin Laden's secret compound inside Pakistan in May — without alerting Pakistani authorities in advance — relations deteriorated further. Pakistan suspended a program under which U.S. special operations forces helped train Pakistani forces in counterterrorist tactics. U.S. officials on Wednesday disclosed a compromise deal to slash the number of U.S. military personnel allowed in Pakistan to between 100 and 150, about half of what it had been. The number of special operations trainers would fall from 140 to fewer than 10.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...tta/50514576/1
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul'

    It's a damning indictment. This article comes from the BBC.

    The most senior US military officer has accused Pakistan's spy agency of supporting the Haqqani group in last week's attack on the US Kabul embassy.


    "The Haqqani network... acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency," Adm Mike Mullen told a Senate panel.


    Some 25 people died in last Tuesday's 20-hour attack on Kabul's US embassy and other official buildings.

    Read more.

    What I'm slightly more perplexed about is when it has been open knowledge for several years that there are elements in Pakistan clearly bent on destabilising the neighbourhood, why the US has been seemingly as supportive and 'tolerant' of Pakistan as they have. Short-termism perhaps, but it is a bizarre, if not a suicidal approach to US foreign policy.

    An unfortunate choice of word in that last sentence, but this is something that I would really like to know.

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    • #3
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      Last edited by afgpower; 10-06-2011, 03:13 PM.

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      • #4
        Here are some references:


        Mullen Asserts Pakistani Role in Attack on U.S. Embassy


        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/wo...&smid=fb-share
        Pir Rokhan

        http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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        • #5
          Sparks fly as U.S., Pakistan spar over Afghan bloodshed

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/wo...&smid=fb-share
          Pir Rokhan

          http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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          • #6
            Admiral Mullen: Pakistani ISI sponsoring Haqqani attacks

            http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...llen_pakis.php


            http://armed-services.senate.gov/sta...2009-22-11.pdf
            Pir Rokhan

            http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
              What I'm slightly more perplexed about is when it has been open knowledge for several years that there are elements in Pakistan clearly bent on destabilising the neighbourhood, why the US has been seemingly as supportive and 'tolerant' of Pakistan as they have.
              Tor_Khan mashra,

              Me and Bernard White, last night over Afghan food, discussed the same exact topic. In particular, what's interesting about this is I made the same exact comment to him. Why did it take the US so long to realize that Pakistan is sponsoring, and supporting terrorism? I mean, several years ago the London School of Economics published a report stating the ISI is supporting the Taliban. Why wasn't any action taken? In fact, Pir_Rokhan has been chanting this for years now as well.
              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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              • #8
                care to have an honest/factual discussion?

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                • #9
                  it seems we are heading fast towards an impasse..not really speaking out of pure patriotism but a strike on Pakistan may not really be the best option for US..I think the Haqqani's are going to back off for now, i mean now that rabbani is dead and any reconciliation that were being made went down the wire ..there really isnt any need to push the americans further

                  lets see
                  Last edited by Talal; 09-22-2011, 11:06 PM.
                  It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                    Tor_Khan mashra,

                    Me and Bernard White, last night over Afghan food, discussed the same exact topic. In particular, what's interesting about this is I made the same exact comment to him. Why did it take the US so long to realize that Pakistan is sponsoring, and supporting terrorism? I mean, several years ago the London School of Economics published a report stating the ISI is supporting the Taliban. Why wasn't any action taken? In fact, Pir_Rokhan has been chanting this for years now as well.
                    Whether on a personal or a public level, this is a question that has niggled me for years. I've asked it here before and I've blogged about it. It often feels like the people thinking this are either not heard or haven't made the media breakthrough. I'm very aware of the symbiotic nature of international politics but I'm hoping that some high profile journalist or news media has the 'guts' to ask the questions loud and clear.

                    Hope you guys had a lovely meal. :-)

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                    • #11
                      It has been an open secret. Pakistani analysts have confessed it. In any discussion on Afpak all honest Pakistani analysts like Najam Sethi, Hasan Nisar, Haroon Rasheed, Dr Shahid Maqsood , Asghar Khan etc have admitted ISI support for Taliban, Afghan-Taliban as "dependent friends" of Pakistan for their strategic depth policy, Haqqanis as strategic assets of Pakistan etc etc . Instead of focusing on her internal issues and increasing trade and resolving the mutual issue with Afghanistan, unfortunately Pakistan has been investing in the instability of Afghanistan which not only has been fatal for Afghanistan but has also been firing back and made the region unstable.


                      I would not go to the extreme that US should attack Pakistan but US should pressurize Pakistan to change her policies regarding Afghanistan and stop encouraging the sectarian and terrorists groups. Pakistan should consider these groups as a danger and not a strategic asset for the sake of regional peace and stability.

                      If Pakistanis close their eyes to these bitter facts then one might understand as it is difficult for any person to see faults and flaws in something one love but I am amazed at Pashtun/Afghans who get deceived by the non state actors like Taliban in Afghanistan and Haqqanis and Jamiat etc [who have been on the parole of Pakistani agencies for years] and they still appreciate their role and support them.

                      I am also amazed at those Pakhtuns living in Pakistan who after knowing all this [and much more to come] still remain loyal servants of the power elite just for their personal vested interests.
                      Last edited by pir_Rokhan; 09-23-2011, 08:37 AM.
                      Pir Rokhan

                      http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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                      • #12
                        Pir,
                        do you expect things to change in the upcoming days? The US is taking a very strong approach against the Pakistani government.
                        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                        • #13
                          Admin

                          The upcoming few months are destined to witness a change specially before the senate elections in March 2012 in Pakistan.

                          I expect a tension in US-Pak relations culminating in an increased drone frequency targetting the Haqani HQ at Miram Shah and generally elsewhere in FATA.

                          I expect more bloody attacks on NATO troops by Afghan Taliban [at the behest of ISI] by which Pakistan wil try to prove her importance in Af-Pak affairs.

                          I expect some artificial anti-Pakistan statements by Afghan Taliban giving the world [US] the impression that they are not backed by ISI but are indigenous elements.

                          I expect some dangerous Abottabad typa unilateral operation [in which OSAMA was killed] in Pakistan again by the US to show Pakistan where it stands

                          I expect some constraints [and in worst case embargo] on Pakistani exports to US and US aid to Pakistan.

                          The worst case scenario would be the fall of current govt and the establishment of technocratic type interim govt.
                          Pir Rokhan

                          http://Pashtoonkhwa.blogspot.com

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                          • #14
                            It does not matter if aliens support Afghans. It doesn't matter if Chinese support Afghans

                            Afghan have a right to freedom.

                            No one past Kabul (even there) gives a crap about this BS conspiracy

                            Pakistan will not take action against Waziristan (which you so=called Pashtun nationalist) are wishing here.
                            They will not because it will result in major civil war.

                            The Afghan war ends on Afghan terms.

                            No Afghan tolerates the occupation of their country

                            Afghans fight because of the US presence

                            nothing else

                            is that clear?

                            is that clear?

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                            • #15
                              Curse all those living in the West who support US war on Afghanistan.

                              I hope you have many troubles in live

                              I pray to Allah(swt).


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