Taliban attack Pakhtu Poet´s Shrine

[graveyardofempires]

it is not some but whole paki isi game.

and according to this chelsea fan it was done by people from Kunar.
can you see the catch?

[gadoonwal]

and according to this chelsea fan it was done by people from Kunar.
can you see the catch?

they are here to keep pashtuns in fighting with eachother .
kunaris are pashtuns so why would they do this.
LET HIM SAY WE KNOW THE TRUTH.
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it is a blame game ,,isi,,playing.
ISI AGENTS KIDNAPPING MENTALY DISABLE PASHTUNS FOR SUICIDE BOMBING,DID YOU KNOW THIS?
IF YOU EVER VISIT PASHTUNKHWA I WILL TAKE YOU TO A MAN WHEN HIS MENTALY DISBALE SON WAS PICKED BY ISI AGENT FOR THAT AND LATER HIS FATHER GOT HELP FROM AN INFLUENTAIL PASHTUN ARMY OFFICER AND FREE HIS SON.
WE HAVE SEEN THESE THINGS WITH OUR OWN EYES.
IT IS NO ONE BUT ,,,,,,,,ISI,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Master Khan]

Can't believe they bombed Rahman Baba Shrine, what has he done, we can't even pay our respect to him, in that why they shouls go and bomb Jinnah, Alama Iqbal's graves aswell.
we don't go there to worship him but to pay our respect, just like how we go to pay our respect to our family members.
But its always us pashtuns that suffers.

[graveyardofempires]

why would people in a group go all the way from Kunar to somewhere in Pukhtunkhwa and than break down some grave of a Pashto poet?

what does this mean?

it could mean : hey look the Afghans(whiel you yourself are pakistani)have come here and they dont have any respect for your poets and break down the grave.Isnt it now okay that we been bombing Kunar?

this seems to be the folow up of that so caled border attack from Kunar.

heard int eh news that pakistan was being pressured to fight the insurgency,so now they are looking for excuses to invelove ordinary Pukhtane in the war so that Pukhtane can kill eachother under tha name of tribal militia or taliban or Afghan pashtun vs "pakistani" pashtun.

[afghan]

it is not some but whole paki isi game.

the people we take pride of are not even safe in their graves. rahman baba was targetted, now hamza baba, who is going to be next khushal baba, ghani Khan or bacha khan's graves?

[afgpower]

why are these talibans acting like ****ing primitive persons and destroying everything that is good for pashtuns/afghans? pffff they really dont have anything better to do than destroying everything that is non-taliban. all countries in the world are normal and have nice places only afghanistan and pashtun areas are still like somalia. pfffffffffffffffffffffff

[randolph85]

these are the same people who take credit for bombing funerals, do u really think bombing a grave would be below them?

[khushal]

These actions most likely come from the wahabi elements of the Taliban.

[randolph85]

are there really any other elements among the ttp?

[khushal]

There is no central leadership, each group has their own interests. I see the TTP as a reaction to the invasion of the Pak military. You have to remember the Pak Army have never ventured into the unruly Karlani tribal lands in their entire history. The PAk Military operations were a violations between agreements the tribes had with the Pak military. In the 70s and 80s The Afghan majahadeen also had set up camps in these tribal lands but those majahadeen's fight against the Soviet and Afghan government were in tune with Pakistani and US interests so they were not only left alone but were given aid. The Afghan Taliban, Haqqani, and Hekmatyar group setting up camp and regrouping in these Tribal lands had forced the US to pressure Pakistans military to invade these areas and a reaction to those operations was the TTP.
There are many elements to the TTP, I beleive it is more diverse and less centralized than the Afghan Taliban.

The Pakistani military is trying to balance between supporting the Afghan groups and trying to destroy the TTP. this is odd since the TTP have pledged allegiance to Mullah Omar. The Pak military would like to see the Afghan groups succeed because the current Afghan government would be detrimental to the Pakistani establishment. I think the Pak military sees the Afghan Taliban as a threat in the distant future but they are picking the lesser of the two evils between the Afghan Taliban and the current Afghan government the same way as America siding with the Islamists against the Communists in the 80's.

[Toramana]

What can you expect from a bunch of savages? The are as devoid of any idea of civilization as a desert is of greenery. Hamza Baba tomb is bot a shrine in strict sense. Inside the building, there is a small library of Pashto books. It is kind of honouring one of the great poets of Pashto.

[randolph85]

There is no central leadership, each group has their own interests. I see the TTP as a reaction to the invasion of the Pak military. You have to remember the Pak Army have never ventured into the unruly Kanrali tribal lands in their entire history. The PAk Military operations were a violations between agreements the tribes had with the Pak military. The Afghan majahadeen also had set up camps in these tribal lands but those majahadeen's fight against the Soviet and Afghan government were in tune with Pakistani and US interests so they were not only left alone but were given aid. The Afghan Taliban, Haqqani, and Hekmatyar group setting up camp and regrouping in these Tribal lands had forced the US to pressure Pakistans military to invade these areas and a reaction to those operations was the TTP.
There are many elements to the TTP, I beleive it is more diverse and less centralized than the Afghan Taliban.

The Pakistani military is trying to balance between supporting the Afghan groups and trying to destroy the TTP. this is odd since the TTP have pledged allegiance to Mullah Omar. The Pak military would like to see the Afghan groups succeed because the current Afghan government would be detrimental to the Pakistani establishment. I think the Pak military sees the Afghan Taliban as a threat in the distant future but they are picking the lesser of the two evils between the Afghan Taliban and the current Afghan government the same way as America siding with the Islamists against the Communists in the 80's.

the tribal areas are smaller than afghanistan, so its easier to consolidate fighters operating in these areas. i have yet to see any division between the ttp, or any outspokenness against mehsud. pledges to mullah omar are superficial, as the recent execution to col imam have shown and the official afghan taliban slogan that the ttp/pak conflict is an "internal matter"

[khushal]

the tribal areas are smaller than afghanistan, so its easier to consolidate fighters operating in these areas. i have yet to see any division between the ttp, or any outspokenness against mehsud. pledges to mullah omar are superficial, as the recent execution to col imam have shown and the official afghan taliban slogan that the ttp/pak conflict is an "internal matter"

The first sentence, I dont know what you mean.

What is superficial is the Talibans slogan of ttp/pak conflict as an internal affair. While the Afghan Taliban and the Pak military dont really want conflict with each other as long as their interests are in tune with one anothers but the Afghan Taliban and the TTP have more in common than the Afghan Taliban and the Pak military. The Afghan Taliban and the Pak military need each other at the moment so a clash would be unlikely. The Haqqanis have tried many times to put Hakimullah on a leash just like in this peace brokered by the Haqqanis.
>Kurram Agency: Haqqani warns Hakimullah not to
ISLAMABAD: The Haqqani network — the most influential group among the Afghan militants — has warned the homegrown Pakistani Taliban against ‘sabotaging’ a fragile peace deal that it helped broker between the Sunnis and Shias in Kurram Agency.


But because the whole insurgency is not centralized, each group will do what it deems necessary for its own interests. There is no real evidence that any of these groups are controlled by the ISI, only speculation by conspiracy theorists exist. The execution of col imam, attacks on Pakistani military establishment, the naval bases in Karachi and others put those conspiracy theories in question.



There are many interenal division with in the TTP. The only reason they are not fighting each other more is because they all have a common enemy. Once that common enemy disappears, you will see more infighting.
‘Isolated Hakimullah losing control of TTP’ – The Express Tribune

[graveyardofempires]

the tribal areas are smaller than afghanistan, so its easier to consolidate fighters operating in these areas. i have yet to see any division between the ttp, or any outspokenness against mehsud. pledges to mullah omar are superficial, as the recent execution to col imam have shown and the official afghan taliban slogan that the ttp/pak conflict is an "internal matter"

that just shatters your dream of connecting taliban to isi so now you make up things such as their "pledge is superficial".

nothing superficial here,they wacked the col cuz they dont give a damn about them.

[afghan]

the tribal areas are smaller than afghanistan, so its easier to consolidate fighters operating in these areas. i have yet to see any division between the ttp, or any outspokenness against mehsud. pledges to mullah omar are superficial, as the recent execution to col imam have shown and the official afghan taliban slogan that the ttp/pak conflict is an "internal matter"

lately col imam opened his mouth too big was not apreciated much by ISI, Khalid Khwaja did the same. ISI is like a snake they do things very secretly.