Pakistan mosque attacks in Lahore kill dozens

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If you listen to the sermon in full you will realize that all their leader was doing was praising Allah and sending salutations to His beloved Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). He was telling his community that they will deal in the court of Allah with all the injustices that are occurring to his community.

If someone worships Allah and put his or her matters in the court of Allah and trusts Allah must be a Muslim. If someone sends salutations to Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) while he is dying must be a Muslim. If someone says: "None is worthy of worship except Allah; Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (kalima tayyibah) must be a Muslim.

So, yes, they are Muslim.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Qadiyanis are reconised by the Majority of Muslims as NON MUSLIM.

Qadiyanis are devients and when have they ever protested on the carnage and bloodshed of Pashtun regions.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

http://alhafeez.org/rashid/alfatwa2.htm

"But when 2 qadiani missionaries were hanged in Afghanistan for preaching against Jehad, he unleashed his vicious pen against the Afghanis/Pathans/Qandharis. No words were spared by Mirza in his contempt for them. He declared them to be Jews and having the same jewish mentality because:

• "they heard from their forefathers that they are of jewish origin";
• "their features resemble so closely to the jews that if both are standing side by side, they would seem to be of same family;
• "their dresses are like those of jews";
• "their customs also resemble jewish traditions. for example, before marriage their girls roam around and talk freely with their boy-friends, so much so that in some cases if they become pregnant, they laugh it off. roaming around of hadrath maryam siddiqua with her fiance, yousef najjar is a strong proof of this custom";
• "their temperament also resembles jewish nature. Frontier pathans/afghanis/kashmiris' bruqueness, volatilitiy, selfishness, bloodthirstiness, rudeness, crookedness and other vile manners, murderous thoughts, illiteracy and ignorance; these are the same qualities mentioned in old testament and other scriptures for israeli nation. if you read the character, behavior, mannerism and conduct of bani-israel in surah baqarah of holy quran, it would seem as if it was describing the character of frontier afghans/pathans."

(Ayyam-us-Sulh, Roohani Khazain vol 14 p.300 )"

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I remmeber, i watched a video of the leader of Qadiyanis where he called Pashtuns as devils and jinns, sadly the video was removed from youtube, but i will try my best to find it.

Mew are these the peaceful people you like to promote.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Qadiyanis are reconised by the Majority of Muslims as NON MUSLIM.

The majority of Muslims believe that those who leave Islam should be killed--when the Holy Quran does not sanction such acts of murder. Those who believe that apostates should be killed are politically motivated. Simple.

The reason why Ahmadis were declared non-Muslim was all a political ploy that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto initiated. He wanted the votes and in order to secure the votes of the Muslim clergy he went on a mission to do so, in order to cater to their demands.

Guess what? If he had done the right thing, he would be not have been hanged by Zia-ul-Haqq.

[tor_khan]

The majority of Muslims believe that those who leave Islam should be killed--when the Holy Quran does not sanction such acts of murder. Those who believe that apostates should be killed are politically motivated. Simple.

The reason why Ahmadis were declared non-Muslim was all a political ploy that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto initiated. He wanted the votes and in order to secure the votes of the Muslim clergy he went on a mission to do so, in order to cater to their demands.

Guess what? If he had done the right thing, he would be not have been hanged by Zia-ul-Haqq.

I think that technically this is incorrect.

The moment we are born, our deaths are written. You can't say that if X had done this then Y would have happened.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was going to die by hanging and his son was going to die by poisoning in France, his older son was going to die by shoot out in Karachi and his daughter was going to die by means of gun/bomb in Liaqatabad.

This was already pre-decided by our creator.

Back on topic - Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was deeply secular, just like his daughter.

Bhutto senior (Mr Big Secular) outlawed nightclubs, alcohol and declared Qadiyanis non-Muslims because it suited his desire to hang on to power.

Bhutto junior (Mrs Secular) backed the Taliban take over of Kabul, because it secured her position in Pakistan.

Just like Jinnah, (Mr Most Secular of All), backed the creation of Pakistan, because he decided that Muslims were a nation of people who couldn't live with Hindus.

All of them used religion for political gain.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

No dear brother!

This takes away the value of shahaadat. It takes away the value of the prohibition of murder.

A filthy death is not written in anyone's decree. Their actions determine that faith when they start living a horrible and cruel life.

Zia-ul-Haqq hanged him because he was a horrible person in the sight of Zia-ul-Haqq. One zalim killed another zalim. Then Allah took care of the same zalim 10 years later, for the same reason.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So should Pashtuns consider Qadiyanis as Muslims when they consider Pashtuns as Jinns????

Qadiyanis just like Ismailis are consider Muslim by you, tell us your real motive for this?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So should Pashtuns consider Qadiyanis as Muslims when they consider Pashtuns as Jinns????

Qadiyanis just like Ismailis are consider Muslim by you, tell us your real motive for this?

When someone calls themselves Muslim they are Muslim. Period.

If someone is insulting the Pashtun, as you perceive it, then that is an issue that you have to overcome and counter with an intellectual discussion. You can't simply resort to ejecting someone from the fold of Islam.

Today, there is so much tension due to religion in the world, EVERYWHERE. People think that they have monopoly over God. No one does.

Don't get involved in determining who is and who is not a Muslim. Worry about your own fate. Worry about how and in what state you will die. According to the Holy Quran people come and go from Islam. Allah says that for Him what matters is in what state they die. So, let them be.

Just don't take this burden on your shoulders in the Hereafter. Let Allah deal with it. They are Allah's creation after all, no yours. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) says that if you call someone a kafir who calls himself a Muslim then in the sight of Allah you are the kafir.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

When someone calls themselves Muslim they are Muslim. Period.

If someone is insulting the Pashtun, as you perceive it, then that is an issue that you have to overcome and counter with an intellectual discussion. You can't simply resort to ejecting someone from the fold of Islam.

Today, there is so much tension due to religion in the world, EVERYWHERE. People think that they have monopoly over God. No one does.

Don't get involved in determining who is and who is not a Muslim. Worry about your own fate. Worry about how and in what state you will die. According to the Holy Quran people come and go from Islam. Allah says that for Him what matters is in what state they die. So, let them be.

Just don't take this burden on your shoulders in the Hereafter. Let Allah deal with it. They are Allah's creation after all, no yours. Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) says that if you call someone a kafir who calls himself a Muslim then in the sight of Allah you are the kafir.

Stop inventing your own rules

Ismailis and Qadiyanis dont reconise Prophet Mohammand(pbuh) as the last messenger and yet you consider them as Muslims?

This is a clear fabricaiton of Islam. Next thing, you will always reconise Sai baba and Shahrukh Khan as Fellow Muslims even tho both follow Hindusim mixed with Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear brother, what is worst: to do shirk or not believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet? What is Islam's response to this?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Dear brother, what is worst: to do shirk or not believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet? What is Islam's response to this?

That requires no response at that, as its very clearly said that Prophet Mohammand(pbuh) is the last messenger, so why declare modern day people as being prophets or a man on a moon according to Qadiyanis.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The fact of the matter is that Ahmadis do follow the sunnah of the Prophet (saw) to the T. They just don't believe that he (saw) is the last prophet. They do, however, believe that he is the last law-bearing prophet. That is why they follow his sunnah to the T.

Ismailis have a different view. They do believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet. They just believe that their leader can interpret the Holy Quran whichever way he wants to.

That said, no where in the Holy Quran does it that he who rejects that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) as the last prophet should be kicked out of Islam. In fact, it is mentioned, in the Holy Quran, that many a times people have considered that no more prophets would ever arise after their prophet died, yet another prophet did appear.

Moreover, every sect in Islam interprets the Holy Quran according to their own ideals and ideologies. Therefore, one cannot exercise the right to interpret the Holy Quran himself and then prevent someone else from doing it. Differences should be expressed and discussed in a civilized manner.

Dear brother, according to the Holy Quran many people are not following the right path. If we take your approach, then people should hate Islam and call it the religion of the devil.

But it does not work like that. We discuss our differences.