pakistan army robbing houses in swat?

[emkhan]

that pir of yours was not even known to many Swatis.
Buneris never welcome or supported talibs but on the other side you people did.A young baby was born in a camp near jalozai was nameD ,,fazlullah,,by hir SWATI grandfather.Everyone was flying that dirty flag of punjab in camps.COME on.You can,nt even condem your killer.
what pakistan did for your people?
When ISI start its war i have seen them with my own eyes swatis runing for life from swat.Some even with no shoes.Do,nt blame Buneris they at least did something against pakistani forces/isi talibs.
The battle of Sultanwas in bunier was victory against bastered pakis but the so called punjabi govt of pashtunkhwa did,nt support them.They in fact back stabed them.
It was all drama ,i hope the people of swat start their normal life and live in peace cus they suffer alot.This war at least change the mind of some ,,geratmand,,swati pakhtuns .

you are again lieing my dear.... if you read my earlier posts in which i have mentioned the reasons why people supported him but you would never try to understand because you are a liar and against our people.
if taliban did somethitng wrong to afghans or russia did something wrong to afghans or america did something wrong to afghans or ISI did something wrong to afghans, so i cant blame the innocent common people of afghanistan.
It is an international game going in the region in which people will die and disgraced, and displaced but lets see who are the real responsible, responsible are the leaders, the agencies, the army, the beaurocrates, the media, the NGOs, the elites.
you said the people of buner never supported the taliban,,,, i can show you people who wrote their names only after three days the taliban entered buner even they were aware of whats going on in swat for the last three years but still they wrote their names in taliban's lists, they gave fundings and believe me they assured of full support.
so please dont lie again

[emkhan]

wali of swat was well respected and he did many things good for the people of swat. but his son main gul aurangzaib is pro punjabi establishment.Till this day he supported talibs even know the fact or may scared by ISI.He lost some of his close family members when ISI bombed them.
Ayub khan blackmail the Wali family and the Wali of Swat made a big mistake later by joining the punjabi state.
Thousands of swatis left swat after that and still live very poor life in karachi and other cities of pakistan.
It was all one man show, waali was everything.It was his personal decission by joining the punjabi state.

you did not anwer my question...
is there anybody to lead the pukhtuns ? can you lead us ?
if your answer is yes then i am with you otherwise shut up and dont bark

[gadoonwal]

mr,you do,nt need to use that dirty language of yours.
are you ready to come back from london to join me?
or you will keep barking for your ,,ISI,,master.go to hell ,why would somone waste time with ,,isi,,pulloted pashtun.
That picture of paki general akhtar abdurahman tell us what you are.

[emkhan]

yes i am ready to join you but remember, first you have to lick ISI's feet and get NOC from them. Only then you will be able to lead someone otherwise no chance.
and if you read my posts you will see that i am personally a strong opponent of ISI because they are always betrayers, they can betray anyone for their vested interests. They copy everything from CIA.
would you please tell me where are you from or you prefer hide yourself because of the taliban's threat.... hehehehehehehe

[gadoonwal]

you are again lieing my dear.... if you read my earlier posts in which i have mentioned the reasons why people supported him but you would never try to understand because you are a liar and against our people.
if taliban did somethitng wrong to afghans or russia did something wrong to afghans or america did something wrong to afghans or ISI did something wrong to afghans, so i cant blame the innocent common people of afghanistan.
It is an international game going in the region in which people will die and disgraced, and displaced but lets see who are the real responsible, responsible are the leaders, the agencies, the army, the beaurocrates, the media, the NGOs, the elites.
you said the people of buner never supported the taliban,,,, i can show you people who wrote their names only after three days the taliban entered buner even they were aware of whats going on in swat for the last three years but still they wrote their names in taliban's lists, they gave fundings and believe me they assured of full support.
so please dont lie again

you know the fact for sure.why should i lie ,for what?
You know i am right and most of our pashtun know what happen there and how people run so you can continue with your fales statments.
i know many swati pashtun will spit on paki flag .There is good side of this war and that is pashtun start hating bakistan.
it is bakistan cus half of its land now bangladesh.
I am supporter of swatis not against but you are turning it to something els.They are our brothers and we help them when they came to our areas.

[gadoonwal]

yes i am ready to join you but remember, first you have to lick ISI's feet and get NOC from them. Only then you will be able to lead someone otherwise no chance.
and if you read my posts you will see that i am personally a strong opponent of ISI because they are always betrayers, they can betray anyone for their vested interests. They copy everything from CIA.
would you please tell me where are you from or you prefer hide yourself because of the taliban's threat.... hehehehehehehe

ahahahaha,i am not like you hiding in london.i was in matta/swat once and was talking to a group of people, the relative of afzal khan lala asked me to stop and do,nt blame ,,isi,,in front of people or you will be killed before you reach home.i did,nt stop and express my view with open heart.
The day you born mean you will die oneday.
Some people die cus of cancer,heart etc and some people cus of bullet.
I hate the ,,budatob,,jond,, and i never ever scared of anything in my life except allah and disablity.
disable person mean death everyday thats my view and i pray and hope never get that.

i will recieve you when you come and we will go to swat toghether inshallah first to your village ready.

[emkhan]

but you did not mention where should i come ? would you please name your district and village so that i find u and meet you otherwise i have wait for u on internet.
and talking to people against isi is not a big thing.
i have spoken to the army colonel, spoken to army major, spoken to army men, spoken to isi agents even in their baracks during the war time against them and questioning them. even some of them got angry at me and tried to show their force but by some reason they controled theirselves.
so its not a big thing.

[roadrunner]

isi agent well done.

The biggest terrorist in afghanistan was masood cus he never surrendered to pakis and mulla omar was amirul mumeneen cus he serve your ISI interests,happy now.i never like masood but admire him for kicking pakis hard.

I will start a thread on this later my Dravid friend. However, Masood was the cause of the Civil War in Afghanistan. You don't need to care of Pakistan, but the fact you can like a man that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands shows you to be no Afghan.

The biggest terrorists in kashmir are the Hindos which include both pakistanis and indains.You can not change your race by changing religion.
It is fact that sindhis,mahajrs and punjabis in pakistan are hindo by race.

If that is the case, Kashmiris would be "Hindos" and be terrorising themselves you Indified little terrorist.

Kashmir is not a race based conflict. It is a land based conflict. Indian occupation/terror is the problem.

To bring peace to the whole region both side of hindos(punajbs,sindis etc and indains) should join in one greater india and leave us (pashtuns).
We pashtuns do not want you hindos.YOu can use islam as mcuh as youn want for your fake paki/punjabi nationalism but at the end of the day pashtun will reamian pashtun not paki.

The majority of Pashtuns are Pakistani. They appear to be getting along quite well in Pakistan. Some problems as with all ethnic groups. You should worry about your short, lazy brethren on the Deccan plains.

[graveyardofempires]

you people have some screwed up conspiracy theories regarding Swat.
I guess thats the information flow in pakistan.
one minute its uncircumsized pashtuns and next minute pukhtunkhwa ull of Raa agents.
one minute its "we swatis fought talis" next minute its "isi is very bad they are connected to tha talis".
this shows that you have been taken for a ride.

[gadoonwal]

but you did not mention where should i come ? would you please name your district and village so that i find u and meet you otherwise i have wait for u on internet.
and talking to people against isi is not a big thing.
i have spoken to the army colonel, spoken to army major, spoken to army men, spoken to isi agents even in their baracks during the war time against them and questioning them. even some of them got angry at me and tried to show their force but by some reason they controled theirselves.
so its not a big thing.

hmmm now i brought you to the point.The army never allow strangers to their baracks and if they are in war zone no way .so there is something interested about you or you may lying.

so you told them that you ,,isi,,supporting talibans ,am i right?
come on,did,nt you see that dead bodies on the side of the road with cut head?
so how come you left your people in war and gone to london?
as i said when you ready to come,name etc will be email to you.
do,nt play your wrods .I know you would,nt so have good time there.

[gadoonwal]

I will start a thread on this later my Dravid friend. However, Masood was the cause of the Civil War in Afghanistan. You don't need to care of Pakistan, but the fact you can like a man that caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands shows you to be no Afghan.



If that is the case, Kashmiris would be "Hindos" and be terrorising themselves you Indified little terrorist.

Kashmir is not a race based conflict. It is a land based conflict. Indian occupation/terror is the problem.



The majority of Pashtuns are Pakistani. They appear to be getting along quite well in Pakistan. Some problems as with all ethnic groups. You should worry about your short, lazy brethren on the Deccan plains.

look mr african negro,thats where your race originated from.

kashmir is ,,,water based,,,conflict for you punjabi chaudris and sindhi wadiras.
You have no respect for muslims or islam and in your post you clearly state it is a ,,land based issue,,mean you want control over water thats all.
The vast majority of kashmiris do,nt want you negro hindo of punjab and india.They are fed up with you hindos.It is a water based issue and its got nothing to with religion but as i said punjabis never accept islam from their heart and abusing it for political purpose.
Just for the water you destroy the peace of whole region.
The talibanization of afghanistan and pashtunkhwa was to find safe base for training to terrorists to be send to kashmir to get kashmir for punjab.
That brainwashing of pashtuns did,nt work.How come terrorist masood azar run to kanadahr after release?
It was well plan by ISI but badly failed.
Why are you ashamed of your hindo race?
there are hindo punjabis and muslims,same gose for sindis and indain refugees.
Your fake identity of bakistan will soon disapear.
As far as pashtun they have their own identity pashtun.
You will never find pashtun calling himself ,,pakistanii,,
In the gulf,west etc they are recognised and known by their race not by nationality a clear example of hating bakistan.

The punjabis and indain refugees use this fake name which was created by british raj.

[emkhan]

hmmm now i brought you to the point.The army never allow strangers to their baracks and if they are in war zone no way .so there is something interested about you or you may lying. dear i swear i don't lie

so you told them that you ,,isi,,supporting talibans ,am i right?
come on,did,nt you see that dead bodies on the side of the road with cut head [COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]i saw those dead bodies on the road but the question is tho did that all, so the answer is all this done by the ISI backed trained people[/COLOR]?
so how come you left your people in war and gone to london? [COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]dear i have come here in january 2011, i never left my people. i was there even in the operation time when 2 million people were displaced.[/COLOR]
as i said when you ready to come,name etc will be email to you.
do,nt play your wrods .I know you would,nt so have good time there.[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"] i will follow for such a noble cause[/COLOR]

i wish you best of luck to be the true leader of pukhtuns

[laevanay]

GoE: You hit the nail on its head, I have to agree with you on this one! To justify our stance we have to rely on conspiracy theories to justify them!

Luffy: You are 100% correct, many on this forum will like to deny the Swathis supported the talibs initially and I remember in our own household having an argument with our women who would listen to this joker's radio program as if it was an educated scholar. I hope some of you can remember Fazllulah once said that it was haraam for a wife to call her husband by his name and if she does she needs to perform her nikah again.... I am sure someone from Swat can back me up on this... its very popular in our house because we all were sitting and listening to it and broke out in laughter making my mother angry!!).

emkhan; Before I post anything I would like to clear it up that I do not support the Pak army and am against Fazllulah(and all other who are too brave to fight for their deen and are hiding but want me to die for him) too. For 2 years they were in Swat and I agree with you on one end of the Gaiman bridge was a Talib check post and the other end the army. If the army wanted to do anything they could have from the start but they let the thugs continue and finally after 2 years decided to do something about them(American pressure?).

I am also from the area, I will tell you this. Our family members got kidnapped and no it was not the army but the local ghunda/talib who did it(Fazllulah bragged about it on his radio circus)... we got our relatives freed after paying decent ransom but knowing who they were, we were after the kidnappers. After a couple of months found out one of them was lying in a ditch near his village, dead and most probably tortured to death and dropped alive from a helicopter in a bag ... if you look at the reality however sad it may have been not a single innocent man was taken into custody and even if they were usually were allowed by the days end to go home. I support the army in getting rid of those thugs look at Swat today and tell me is it not among the safest places in Pak now?

emkhan; As for Army robbing people (I can only speak for our house where they locked it with their own lock and a note was posted who to get the key from) and a relative who was a shopkeeper who said nothing was stolen from his shop even after the curfews. So non of my relatives were robbed but I have to say one of my relatives house was damaged after the Talibs took over his house in Barikot and it was later bombed by the airforce.... and when they went to inspect the house later a couple of bearded murdaars were found in the house... and their godaam was broken into and the rice/wheat were stolen with a couple of sacks found in their kitchen.

Buneiris are brave people; they had a talib convoy blocked off on the Karakar Pass and were about to "take care" of the talibs but a Talib sympathizer in the govt. who was a commissioner by the name M. Javed promised the Buneris that the Talibs would return to Swat and not cross over if left unharmed.... the talibs, the pollution that they are went back on their word and returned a week later and took over Bunair...

[emkhan]

GoE: You hit the nail on its head, I have to agree with you on this one! To justify our stance we have to rely on conspiracy theories to justify them!

Luffy: You are 100% correct, many on this forum will like to deny the Swathis supported the talibs initially and I remember in our own household having an argument with our women who would listen to this joker's radio program as if it was an educated scholar. I hope some of you can remember Fazllulah once said that it was haraam for a wife to call her husband by his name and if she does she needs to perform her nikah again.... I am sure someone from Swat can back me up on this... its very popular in our house because we all were sitting and listening to it and broke out in laughter making my mother angry!!).

emkhan; Before I post anything I would like to clear it up that I do not support the Pak army and am against Fazllulah(and all other who are too brave to fight for their deen and are hiding but want me to die for him) too. For 2 years they were in Swat and I agree with you on one end of the Gaiman bridge was a Talib check post and the other end the army. If the army wanted to do anything they could have from the start but they let the thugs continue and finally after 2 years decided to do something about them(American pressure?).

I am also from the area, I will tell you this. Our family members got kidnapped and no it was not the army but the local ghunda/talib who did it(Fazllulah bragged about it on his radio circus)... we got our relatives freed after paying decent ransom but knowing who they were, we were after the kidnappers. After a couple of months found out one of them was lying in a ditch near his village, dead and most probably tortured to death and dropped alive from a helicopter in a bag ... if you look at the reality however sad it may have been not a single innocent man was taken into custody and even if they were usually were allowed by the days end to go home. I support the army in getting rid of those thugs look at Swat today and tell me is it not among the safest places in Pak now?

emkhan; As for Army robbing people (I can only speak for our house where they locked it with their own lock and a note was posted who to get the key from) and a relative who was a shopkeeper who said nothing was stolen from his shop even after the curfews. So non of my relatives were robbed but I have to say one of my relatives house was damaged after the Talibs took over his house in Barikot and it was later bombed by the airforce.... and when they went to inspect the house later a couple of bearded murdaars were found in the house... and their godaam was broken into and the rice/wheat were stolen with a couple of sacks found in their kitchen.

Buneiris are brave people; they had a talib convoy blocked off on the Karakar Pass and were about to "take care" of the talibs but a Talib sympathizer in the govt. who was a commissioner by the name M. Javed promised the Buneris that the Talibs would return to Swat and not cross over if left unharmed.... the talibs, the pollution that they are went back on their word and returned a week later and took over Bunair...

Again you are wrong in some points. i never said, people did not support them. BUT i have to tell you the whole story, if you recall all that situation in the start so you will come to know that in the very start when they started their campaign in different ways so there was no killings, no kidnapping nothing. They attracted people by doing some great works, may be some people would call me fool but it is a reality that they did some great things for example they made patch ups between people, the resolve property issues of people within days, they made road in the hilly areas for people, the totally eliminated the CD shops from swat which was a demand of the majority of the people of swat and there was a strong reason behind that demand, they gave inheritance right to many widows and other married women, they started giving justice to people at their door step, they assured people that they will provide a cheap and easy justice. so what else people need.
they eliminated the taweez gunda program, the made people islamic, they created a hope in the hearts of the people for a just system.
until this 90% of our people were with them BUT when they started beheading people and kidnapping people for ransom only then people started realizing that it is something else. and then 70% of the people got back.
the remaining 30% of the people were those who had gone in this dark hole and they had no way of return so they had to be with them by majbori....
look i never said that army did not kill those so called talibs but i said that it is totally injustice when you kill one terrorist and call him kafir and murdaar and ghaddaar and at the other hand leave the other terrorist and call him shaheed and appreciate him and give rewards to him.
both should have been beheaded in public. but i am sorry to say it was not done.
now you are talking about army not robbing people... i did not want to say anything about this but now i would say though u have touched this point.
i have personally seen so many things only in my village which was a safe heaven for the army and there was no talib there though the surrounding villages were pro taliban but mine was different. so in my village army people have gone to so many fields of the people and have rooted out their crops of vegetables and eaten there like hungry yajooj majooj....
then another one at another occasion some two hundred army men entered a house of our MPA which was empty because they were in peshawar by that time... so they entered the house without their permission AND they stayed for a night and did so much dirt their i cant tell you. they uncleaned every room, every bath room and the other day they left the house without cleaning the house. they did not want to leave the house but some big order from islamabad came.
then i have seen them by my own eyes that army men with the support of their officers sell flour, diesel, petrol, cooking oil and other things...
then they have cut off so many gardens of the people but still nothing was paid to them, in my own field we had some trees of apricot a very rare was cut off by the army.
then they have still occupied people's houses and property and dont pay them.
and some dirty activities i cant mention here.

Again you are wrong about buneris, they did tried their best to defend their buner but when talib entered they could not dare to come out of their house then...
now you say that they were betrayed by some commissioner so i ask you were not being betrayed by every army man, by every isi agent, by every police, by every talib, by every politician??????????????????
and we were being betrayed for three years.
buneris knew all the situation and they were watching for three years, but still in three days they were betrayed ????????????????

[afghan]

to some who play dumb and dont see the reality, who whole tragedy of ours is that dont realize things on time, islam has always been used against pashtun. the british have spread the lies and used islam and bring down afghanistan. so the same tactics are used by pakies. the people of swat were desperate to get rid of paki establishment. they have supported all kinda parties including mullas, nationalist, seculars.

to some who consider the pakies as a nation and support their strong army. how can taliban emerged in swat under such a powerful army as pakies? the people knoew whats were going to happen, why did not the pakies react on time? people were so badly terrified who could not raise their voice against the taliban. the target killing was an easy way to get rid of their enemies. who ever took the weapons against the taliban were targetted by army or the taliban. mostly the afghans of swat were targetted, who are mostly the landlords. mia, mullas and others were spared by the taliban, and the army. to those who say army is doing something good, who mentioned to the taliban the man who saved the chinese engineer? why was the Ex-ISI officer was targetted by pakies, when he tried to leave the area, whose sone was slaughtered?