Atheists Vs Muslims

[Manzareh]

1)you took me out of context the Quran is written in classical Arabic and no one speaks it, I assumed God would write his texts in a language for all ages and times?
2)The time of the Prophet is different to the time now, I assumed the Quran and Hadith is for all times and ages.
3)That's just zionist lies being spread to divide the Ummah, I am sure the SHia and Sunni conflict was not started by Zionists.

1) people still do speak it. no point being naive, there was a reason why the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic.

2) The Quran and Hadith is for all times and ages.

[Soldat_Amir]

Im sorry to say but your knowledge on Islam is very very weak, i know because im weak in Islamic knowledge myself but you make me look like a scholar, you lack even the basic knowledge as some of the things you mention are so stupid that they have been refuted thousands of times, surely before becoming a Kafir you would do your research first no? and if you did do your research why would you put things up or talk about things that can easily be answered simply typing it into google for instance. you put such a ridiculous argument up sometimes and it makes one wonder if your parents exposed Islam to you at all. You dont even have common knowledge on Islam, you speak like someone that has been raised up a non muslim.

I lack basic knowledge, usual petty excuse, I know enough knowledge to convince me Islam is not for me.

What about Adam, he was the first man, and a Muslim, so was Noah after him etc, so mankind didnt exist before Islam.

Science has proven man came from Africa not from two people, if that was the case, everybody would be brother and sister and thats just incest buddy. Islam tells you that Adam was a Muslim, other faiths before Islam dont.

Qiyamat is at the end of times, not something that happens every couple of thousand years.

Thats just weird, dont know how to answer this.

Islam is not here to show you proof or make you witness anything, thats the whole meaning of the word 'faith'. If he wanted to Allah would send down angels to you to witness Islam and remove any doubt that Islam might not be true, thats why its a test.

If Islam is the truth then it must have proof. Flying mules with womans heads(buraq) is not proof my friend. Allah can not send any angels, as Angels do not exist. There is no clear evidence shown that if your wife does not sleep with you a angel will curse her over night, its just mytholical Arab folkore, same with the Jinn, you ever heard of a Jinni?

Why would a messiah come down to save them against Nazis, you think the messiah is suppose to be some superman that hears suffering and rips his shirt open and saves the say like superman or batman, do your research of when and why the messiah will come, he will not come until the signs are completed

You did not get my point my friend, Mankind has existed way before all Ambrahmic faiths, and the world has not ended ever since. However Mankind can end the earth through a nuclear holocaust not by a one eyed Jalal or a man in ropes with long hair.

How will that resemble Qiyamat?? seriously go find out what Qiyamah is.

Qiyamat was purposely invented to keep its followers in a state of fear, if you leave relgion, just remember what will happen on Qiyamat, mothers and fathers posing as false prophets etc, balls of fire being thrown on women and the righteous ones laughing down on the sinners in hell, people raising from the graves etc etc doesnt cut it for me, its just written text, no evidence, no proof and no substance, however I do belive mankind can end mankind through the switch of a red button and I really doubt you can disagree with that.

I keep getting dragged here. Sorry.

Islam is a combination of the other faiths including Arab folklore and greek mythology hence previous discovered prophets with Arabized titles then their original hebrewic ones.

If you want to learn our view on the things, please do youtube jin and tonic show and a youtube user called rationalizer, I learnt from these guys and they know quite a lot about Islam and especially Hadith.

Have a great day.

[Soldat_Amir]

1) people still do speak it. no point being naive, there was a reason why the Quran was revealed in classical Arabic.

2) The Quran and Hadith is for all times and ages.

Nobody speaks Classical Arabic.

If Quran and Hadith is for all times and ages then you will agree that women should produce four males witnesses at a rape, that you can keep sexual female captives as slaves and that shooting stars are just arrows being shot at the devils in the sky.

Look mate, I dont want to debate with you on this topic, its quite sensitive for members and I can see Admin and team raging over the fact Iam on here,

Please I do applogise but I am out.

Thanks though.

[IamDZJ]

an argument between atheists and Muslims in a thread that stated there should not be any more arguments on this subject. Alchemist is an evil jerk and you a are his slaves. Good day to you all.

[Manzareh]

I lack basic knowledge, usual petty excuse, I know enough knowledge to convince me Islam is not for me..

I see, so its not only me that says it, just proves that you dont, you just ask questions like a 5year old.

Science has proven man came from Africa not from two people, if that was the case, everybody would be brother and sister and thats just incest buddy. Islam tells you that Adam was a Muslim, other faiths before Islam dont

Hold on, are not an agnostic? so you believe in God or Science? your more confused than i thought. anyway science proves it to who? to you maybe, not me.

If Islam is the truth then it must have proof. Flying mules with womans heads(buraq) is not proof my friend. Allah can not send any angels, as Angels do not exist. There is no clear evidence shown that if your wife does not sleep with you a angel will curse her over night, its just mytholical Arab folkore, same with the Jinn, you ever heard of a Jinni?

are you stupid??? what dont you understand, how many times do i have to tell you, repeat after after repeat after repeat, typical single minded idiot that doesnt have the brain cells to comprehende something which has been drilled into you time after time. Islam is based on FAITH not PROOF - you got that? saying that though there is proof to those that one to listen. why have all these people, some of the greatest minds on earth become muslim - they either seen proof or had complete faith. I dont follow Islam blindley i have proof and faith iv experienced this in my life.

What flying mule? with a womens head? have some f*kin manners..see this is exactly what im talking about, and then you whine like a little wussy when people put the heat on you. your just a prick, you dont deserve any muslim or any pashtun to even have a dialog with you, your an animalistic mannerless moron.

You did not get my point my friend, Mankind has existed way before all Ambrahmic faiths, and the world has not ended ever since. However Mankind can end the earth through a nuclear holocaust not by a one eyed Jalal or a man in ropes with long hair.

Obviously its not ended, nobody has claimed that it has soppose to have ended already. Who knows, maybe the end of time and the destruction of the world will be done by humans destroying it.. still qiyamah though regardless.

Qiyamat was purposely invented to keep its followers in a state of fear, if you leave relgion, just remember what will happen on Qiyamat, mothers and fathers posing as false prophets etc, balls of fire being thrown on women and the righteous ones laughing down on the sinners in hell, people raising from the graves etc etc doesnt cut it for me, its just written text, no evidence, no proof and no substance, however I do belive mankind can end mankind through the switch of a red button and I really doubt you can disagree with that.

Yes and its constantly reminded to us to keep us in fear, your right..if we ignore Qiyamah or ignore what will happen to us then my friend we will just end up like you, you have no fear which is the reason why your so blasphemous. what you wrote after mothers and fathers is just another provocation, id rather not reply to that and play your snidy game.

Islam is a combination of the other faiths including Arab folklore and greek mythology hence previous discovered prophets with Arabized titles then their original hebrewic ones.

i disagree.

If you want to learn our view on the things, please do youtube jin and tonic show and a youtube user called rationalizer, I learnt from these guys and they know quite a lot about Islam and especially Hadith.

no thanks, you obviously didnt learn much apart from disrespectful, provocative ignorance.

[ozymandias]

You are wrong - take a look at the title of the religion section (were anything religious is to be posted) it says

"Religion - دين
Based on authentic sources, this section comprises of multimedia, articles and discussions on the religion of Islam." not every religion.

get your facts right.

Right -- and that includes discussing when Islam and science, or Islam and non-Islamic religions disagree.

[thegood]

The moment these folk stop forcing their ideologies on others and talk sense when it comes to collective issues, there wouldn't be any conflict. The mere fact that any one leaving the faith is subjected to death indicates the kind of thing humanity is dealing with.

[Karachi]

^ killing of apostates is a disputed matter because Quran says nothing about killing apostates, however certain hadiths do.

I think Zakir Naik said it the best, he said killing of apostate should be only possible when a former muslim joins hands with enemy of muslims and starts attacking Islam and muslims. It is only then it should be allowed.

If you just quit your faith, but do not do anything bad to attack Islam or muslims in any way, then you would be fine. Nobody will have the right to harm you anyway. Killing anyone who hasn't done anything to hurt muslims is totally against Islam, any radical mullah preaching otherwise is plain wrong and needs to properly get educated in Islam.

Real Islam is just plain common sense, Islam is the most logical belief system there is. It is unfortunate that we have many illiterate mullahs preaching weird things out there and giving stupid fatwas. Muslims currently have no system or government and this is the reason these people have come up.

[faye]

i still love this..'allah is one and likes unity'. i can't understand how the supposed, wisest people, the prophets, would put forth a message that creates divisions between humanity. i think the messages were meant to be universal, but the 'lesser' beings', added the cliqueie stuff to it.

[ozymandias]

^ killing of apostates is a disputed matter because Quran says nothing about killing apostates, however certain hadiths do.

I think Zakir Naik said it the best, he said killing of apostate should be only possible when a former muslim joins hands with enemy of muslims and starts attacking Islam and muslims. It is only then it should be allowed.

If you just quit your faith, but do not do anything bad or attack Islam or muslims in any way, then you would be fine. Nobody will have the right to harm you anyway. Killing anyone who hasn't done anything to hurt muslims is totally against Islam, any radical mullah preaching otherwise is plain wrong and needs to properly get educated in Islam.

Real Islam is just plain common sense. It is unfortunate that we have many illiterate mullahs preaching weird things out there. Muslims currently have no system or government and this is the reason these people have come up.

Take a look at this forum, though. There are people *here* that think being atheist (or non-Muslim) and not hiding that fact is an 'attack' on Islam. It's a slippery slope to have that in the definition. Why not just say that they have the right to do what they want in their lives, and leave it to your god to punish them, if he exists, and if he thinks they need to be punished?

[Karachi]

Take a look at this forum, though. There are people *here* that think being atheist (or non-Muslim) and not hiding that fact is an 'attack' on Islam. It's a slippery slope to have that in the definition. Why not just say that they have the right to do what they want in their lives, and leave it to your god to punish them, if he exists, and if he thinks they need to be punished?

I dont know who they are, but they need to get educated if they are saying that

Islam has absolutely no compulsion in religion. There were so many people during prophet's(pbuh) time that took a life time to become muslim or even died non muslim, did the prophet(pbuh) force them to become muslims? obviously no.

You can't force anyone to become anything.

[graveyardofempires]

to hell with these basterds
look how they are trashing our religion on a PASHTUNSforums,this speaks volumes and this gives us extremely bad reputation worlwide.
if people read these types of people's comments they will think bad about us as well.

brother alchemist is trying to bring the sfeer to normality but the atheists of PF just love their Islam bashing spree so they just do that and continue to disrespect us collectively,its just disguting that their posts are still up and not deleted and they are not warned.

This shows that these guys are plain closed minded and ignorant and to them lying is not a problem but a solution to all their problems.

calling Islam some mix of jewish christian and greek mythology with Arab folklore is the worst insult and spitting in our faces.

shame on you

[graveyardofempires]

Take a look at this forum, though. There are people *here* that think being atheist (or non-Muslim) and not hiding that fact is an 'attack' on Islam. It's a slippery slope to have that in the definition. Why not just say that they have the right to do what they want in their lives, and leave it to your god to punish them, if he exists, and if he thinks they need to be punished?

you dont bring anything constructive to the forum rather want to cause friction and hate amongst people here.

we have other things to discuss and have constructive discussion about our country,people,religion and social problems instead we are too busy to deal with insignificant people with their hateful irrelevant rants.

[graveyardofempires]

Take a look at this forum, though. There are people *here* that think being atheist (or non-Muslim) and not hiding that fact is an 'attack' on Islam. It's a slippery slope to have that in the definition. Why not just say that they have the right to do what they want in their lives, and leave it to your god to punish them, if he exists, and if he thinks they need to be punished?

yeah take a look at this forum
this forum is for pashtuns who are over 99% muslims and yet you think it is illogical that people dotn appreciate your filthy rants and disrespect to their religion or do you want us all to asimilate to you?

[IamDZJ]

graveyard you are too emotional about everything. That is a very big weakness in an individual. Learn to conceal it it use it to your advantage.