Agnosticism

[roadrunner]

i suppose we're all agnostic to a degree.

Unless one has complete blind faith.

[Karachi]

^ nope, many people have full belief in a creator. Before doing every thing they do, they always remember God

[roadrunner]

i don't believe that's true that many people have full belief.

They may say they do, but they don't.

Full belief requires blind faith, since it is not possible to prove or disprove the existence of a supernatural power.

Therefore when you say full belief you mean blind faith.

For some people, it is impossible to give blind faith to anything. Those are the rationalists. Blind faith is not rational in fact.

[roadrunner]

Something that came across the mind. Good always triumphs over evil apparently.

So next time there's a robbery nearby, say of a petrol station, the person with full belief can just walk into the station and disarm thebad guys (since good will triumph over evil).

How many people saying they have full belief would do such a thing? Not many.

[کیش]

Something that came across the mind. Good always triumphs over evil apparently.

So next time there's a robbery nearby, say of a petrol station, the person with full belief can just walk into the station and disarm thebad guys (since good will triumph over evil).

How many people saying they have full belief would do such a thing? Not many.

I can counter that.

When I was younger I got into trouble with the local thugs (black ones too). I was put against the fence and was getting yelled at, pushed and snuffed by 8 guys. I was praying to god so hard with the best Quran recitation I can do. Right when i was going to get pounded one some other thug came running to where we were and told them to leave that boy alone. He's sick in basketball. Just like that 8 barking black thugs left me alone.

That's how i know theirs a god. I have more examples as well.

[roadrunner]

that wouldnt be proof.

it mgiht have been coincidence. That is not proof.

it just so happened that the new thug saw a policeman approaching? or perhaps he got cold feet? it could have been any number of things.

[کیش]

that wouldnt be proof.

it mgiht have been coincidence. That is not proof.

it just so happened that the new thug saw a policeman approaching? or perhaps he got cold feet? it could have been any number of things.

Nah man, these are real G's, even if they saw a cop they wouldn't be shook. Their was no cops; it happened in a park, inside the handball courts. Perfect spot for an ass kicking,

[roadrunner]

sure sure.. of course they wouldnt be shook. i bet one of them dismantled a gunship with his teeth also.

let's assume they beat up the law regularly because they're very very hard.

it could have been one felt pity on you, or one felt you were casting a spell on him.

it could have been many different things that could rationally explain their actions.

to then attribute it to something supernatural and say it was proof is incorrect. it's not proof. it would be one of many possibilities.

[faye]

i don't believe that's true that many people have full belief.

They may say they do, but they don't.

Full belief requires blind faith, since it is not possible to prove or disprove the existence of a supernatural power.

Therefore when you say full belief you mean blind faith.

For some people, it is impossible to give blind faith to anything. Those are the rationalists. Blind faith is not rational in fact.

if there is a creator then those who believe in one, might be doing so from actual 'knowing' and not 'blind faith'.

[roadrunner]

how would they actually know then?

why are they the chosen ones and not everyone else?

if i said to you, i went to the moon and found it was made out of noodles, would you believe me?

if you would, that's blind faith. if you could not prove or disprove what i said, you would be an astronomer agnostic.

[کیش]

sure sure.. of course they wouldnt be shook. i bet one of them dismantled a gunship with his teeth also.

let's assume they beat up the law regularly because they're very very hard.

it could have been one felt pity on you, or one felt you were casting a spell on him.

it could have been many different things that could rationally explain their actions.

to then attribute it to something supernatural and say it was proof is incorrect. it's not proof. it would be one of many possibilities.

Stop talking out of your ass now. You wanted a scenario where faith helped somebody and I have it. Now your just being stubborn.

Perhaps you were never in a tight situation people, so you wouldn't now.

Here's another.

I should have been arrested dozens of times, but my best Quran recitations helped me practically every time. I'm talking about cops searching your car, when you have somethi illegal and not finding it. I'm talking about cops searching you, and not finding it.

What's your stubborn response next? Oh the cops were rookies? I doubt that.

[graveyardofempires]

road runner is the ultimate troll
anyone engaging him in a discussion is like milking a wall.

[Asli]

Science is not the answer to everything. It is but an answer to something. How could one rely on science when science itself is developing with new findings every day?

The moment you question what you are doing here on earth is the moment God will reveal Himself.

[faye]

how would they actually know then?

why are they the chosen ones and not everyone else?

if i said to you, i went to the moon and found it was made out of noodles, would you believe me?

if you would, that's blind faith. if you could not prove or disprove what i said, you would be an astronomer agnostic.

when you know, you will know.
not a gastronomic agnostic, roady?

[roadrunner]

Stop talking out of your ass now. You wanted a scenario where faith helped somebody and I have it. Now your just being stubborn.

Perhaps you were never in a tight situation people, so you wouldn't now.

Here's another.

I should have been arrested dozens of times, but my best Quran recitations helped me practically every time. I'm talking about cops searching your car, when you have somethi illegal and not finding it. I'm talking about cops searching you, and not finding it.

What's your stubborn response next? Oh the cops were rookies? I doubt that.

Given how you have difficulty reading and understanding simple sentences, I wouldn't be surprised if you dopily thought there was something in your car and there was, in reality, not.

Read: A thug turning up and rescuing you may be divine intervention, OR it just may be a thug turning up and rescuing you because he felt pity on you being a dope. It is not PROOF of divine intervention.

Read #2: Your car being searched and item X not being found could be divine intervention. Or it could just be poor searches or any other number of things. It is NOT PROOF of divine intervention because you have not excluded all the other possibilities.

You may think it's divine intervention, that is something else. But it is not proof. If you can't understand something so simple, I can think it possible that you were caught in a dream on both occasions and didn't realize it wasn't real.

Disclaimer: this response is not out of stubborness. I'm pointing out something very relevant that you've managed to miss even though I pointed it out twice before. That is that this is not proof of divine intervention. How many more times do I need to repeat?