Agnosticism

[roadrunner]

when you know, you will know.
not a gastronomic agnostic, roady?

if you're an irrational person you will know. rational people need proof usually based on fact/science.

Agnostic religious folk would be rational people, Gnostic religious folk would be more spiritual people that probably have lost their marbles.

[faye]

if you're an irrational person you will know. rational people need proof usually based on fact/science.

Agnostic religious folk would be rational people, Gnostic religious folk would be more spiritual people that probably have lost their marbles.

what with the rational worship? is that your god, rationality?
try not to b so jealous of the irrationals, my dear.

[ozymandias]

^ nope, many people have full belief in a creator. Before doing every thing they do, they always remember God

Right -- which is the complete blind faith mentioned.

[ozymandias]

I can counter that.

When I was younger I got into trouble with the local thugs (black ones too). I was put against the fence and was getting yelled at, pushed and snuffed by 8 guys. I was praying to god so hard with the best Quran recitation I can do. Right when i was going to get pounded one some other thug came running to where we were and told them to leave that boy alone. He's sick in basketball. Just like that 8 barking black thugs left me alone.

That's how i know theirs a god. I have more examples as well.

The plural of anecdote is not proof. I can counter your argument, too -- even using the same faulty logic. What about all the starving children in the world? Are you so egotistical as to think that *YOU* are more important to your god than every single one of them? You praying was enough to keep you from getting beat up, but their praying is not enough to keep them from a long slow death of starvation? Heck, they even have other people praying *for* them.

[ozymandias]

if there is a creator then those who believe in one, might be doing so from actual 'knowing' and not 'blind faith'.

Then they would be able to prove their faith scientifically. They can't, ergo it is blind faith.

[ozymandias]

Stop talking out of your ass now. You wanted a scenario where faith helped somebody and I have it.

No you don't. You have a scenario where you *had blind faith*. Now you need to prove that it was blind faith that saved you, and not, say, their respect for basketball, or their respect for the man that stepped in.

Now your just being stubborn.

Perhaps you were never in a tight situation people, so you wouldn't now.

Here's another.

I should have been arrested dozens of times, but my best Quran recitations helped me practically every time. I'm talking about cops searching your car, when you have somethi illegal and not finding it. I'm talking about cops searching you, and not finding it.

What's your stubborn response next? Oh the cops were rookies? I doubt that.

Cops don't find 100% of illegal things, nor care about 100% of illegal things. I know of people that have been searched and not had trouble. I got caught shooting off fireworks (illegal in my state) and the cop just told me to drive carefully. I sure did not recite the Koran, or pray -- and I got off. Once again, you list a coincidence and claim it is proof of something.

[کیش]

^^

Oh please buddy.

I have plenty of scenario's I could bring up, but you and your people will bring up more bs about it.

Agnostics and Atheists are Blind Deaf and Dumb. Im not trying to diss them, but its the truth.


I suggest you mediate in the woods/mountains for a few days. Preferably alone.

[ozymandias]

Science is not the answer to everything. It is but an answer to something. How could one rely on science when science itself is developing with new findings every day?

Because that is the point of science. Reject that which is known to be untrue and replace it with something better, until something still better comes along.

The moment you question what you are doing here on earth is the moment God will reveal Himself.

Sadly, that's not true. If it were, all scientists would be religious.

[کیش]

Atheists/Agnostics have never been through any calamity in their life. I'm thinking their pampered spoiled kids.


I suggest atheists to throw themselves to the fire, and check out the waters.


Role play

Atheist: look at me ima Atheist, god doesn't exist I dont see him blah blah blah blah.

Believer: what's your purpose in life.

Atheist: science has all the answers. God is blah blah blah blah blah I don't wanna hear it you, covering my ears blah blah blah

Believer:

[ozymandias]

^^

Oh please buddy.

I have plenty of scenario's I could bring up, but you and your people will bring up more bs about it.

What's your point? You can list as many coincidences as you want, and they will still not constitute proof. I assure you, for every coincidence you care to list, I can list many, many more showing the exact opposite point.

Agnostics and Atheists are Blind Deaf and Dumb. Im not trying to diss them, but its the truth.

No, it's not the truth, it's your opinion. I can see, I can hear, and I have a high IQ, proving you wrong.

I suggest you mediate in the woods/mountains for a few days. Preferably alone.

Why? Nothing changes in my mind after I go camping. I am not a religious person, and a little time alone does not change that. I suggest you get a few science classes. Preferably from a reputable educator.

[کیش]

^^^

IQ, doesn't mean anything.

Why don't you go to mother nature, and be by yourself? What's you scared of.


Science books are good time-passers in the toilet.

[ozymandias]

Atheists/Agnostics have never been through any calamity in their life. I'm thinking their pampered spoiled kids.


I suggest atheists to throw themselves to the fire, and check out the waters.

I suggest you research these things before you make a fool out of themselves. Plenty of atheists and agnostics have had hard lives.

[کیش]

I suggest you research these things before you make a fool out of themselves. Plenty of atheists and agnostics have had hard lives.

Im sure they did



Atheists/Agnostics are the spoiled rich kids. (no diss intended). Until they get a gun pointed at them by all shorts of characters, they haven't seen anything.

For all I know Atheists= OWS crowd

[ozymandias]

I see you edited your comment...

Role play

Atheist: look at me ima Atheist, god doesn't exist I dont see him blah blah blah blah.

Believer: what's your purpose in life.

Atheist: science has all the answers. God is blah blah blah blah blah I don't wanna hear it you, covering my ears blah blah blah

Believer:

And this, folks, is why I am here. While I can learn from you, I can expose people like this to *real* atheists and show them that their fictional, self created atheist parodies are nothing like the real world atheists -- just like the 'durka durka Mohammad jihad terrorist' Muslims are fictional creations. It's sad that a person living in the modern world would actually believe either of these two statements -- let alone propagate them.

[کیش]

^^^^

Take the mother nature challenge?


Until then you categorize in the Atheists side of the role-play.


Also, I have taken upper-level science courses. Their was a time when I was a science major. So, it's your turn Mary.