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  • #76
    but how can the properties of humans not be from the properties of their creator?
    we are also creators.
    the whole creation/creator may always have been and always will be and we are an aspect of that.
    i am not saying we as a human created EVERYTHING but we are a molecule, if you like, of that whole.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by faye View Post
      but how can the properties of humans not be from the properties of their creator?
      we are also creators.
      the whole creation/creator may always have been and always will be and we are an aspect of that.
      i am not saying we as a human created EVERYTHING but we are a molecule, if you like, of that whole.

      from ...not identical. The Earth came from debris emerging from Stars, it is not identical to a Star.

      That should answer the question.
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #78
        that doesn't answer the question i asked there because i didn't say identical, in the overall ability to create EVERYTHING.
        how does god create us? from the imagination? to create a creation wouldn't god have to first have an idea or visualisation which is then manifested? and the manifesting is also of the creator.
        so, the creation is part of the consciousness and manifestion of the creator.

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        • #79
          hmm I guess imagination would have to be it since matter itself is immaterial.
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • #80
            consciousness and energy.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Zirey View Post
              Dear Faye,
              here's the thing, if we are parts of God, then God is no longer fully perfect, at least if I'm included in there. But what if we keep the Creator's nature distinct from that of His creatures? In that way we can have the best of everything. A perfect God who will bring us all to perfection. Sometimes sharp distinctions are necessary as you will see below.

              quoted from RevelationThroughReason and Randolph85:
              "But Omnipresent implies being manifest everywhere; thus the claim is nullified by the terms itself. This too becomes incoherent; because if we assume that God has an aspect of him subject to termination; this would nullify his attributes of Omnipotence, Omnipresence and which in turn makes the the alleged Human Nature of God, not God and thus cannot be claimed to be deity by definition. It's just like the Nietzchean axiom "Can God make a rock that he can't carry"?" No because incapacity is the opposite of capacity and thus this question has no meaning. Same here; terminability means an absence of the divine properties of God and thus Jesus couldn't be God by the definitions of the terms."
              --Dear RevelationThroughReason and Randolph85,
              if I'm not mistaken, you think that, according to the Christian faith, the Lord Jesus's humanity itself was divinized or made God. If that were so, then I could see the grounds for your objection. However, such is not the case. Christians distinguish Jesus's human and divine natures from each other. Jesus's divine nature is not subject to termination or limitation. He is fully God. Only his human nature was finite, fully man. Though united in one Person, our Lord's humanity and divinity remain distinct and retain their distinctive properties.

              "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’” Mark 15:34, Matthew 27:46
              you didn't fully address the quote that my quote of yours was supposedly addressing. why would the lord cry out to his father. its not so much the crying and screaming we are wondering about, since we are following your understanding of this theology that god was in the form of man thus felt like a man. its WHY god had to ask himself(or his father?) why he was foresaken because of simple human pain that he felt. "
              --I think this question derived from the same misconception addressed above. As a suffering man, Jesus addressed His Father as anyone who is fully man might do. But your question is especially timely as Christians now observe Good Friday and Easter. By quoting Psalm 22 ( "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) from the cross, the Lord Jesus points to Himself as the fulfillment of that Messianic Psalm, which prophesied around 1000 B.C. regarding His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

              i wasn't merely talking about the flesh. jesus cries out in anguish knowing full well that he is god and his suffering will pass and he will quantum leap back to his throne in heaven...(or whatever)

              how is it that a monk can light himself on fire and burn to death without flinching, a man mind you, but god himself is crying like a baby? are you trying to say that god couldn't handle the human form better than you know...humans?

              also, like revolution mentioned, you can't pick and choose when it comes to the humanity or divinity of jesus christ. its one or the other.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #82
                quantum physics states that everything in the universe is pure energy, differing in rates of vibration.

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                • #83
                  quantum leap states that sam beckett can't make it home.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #84
                    so?

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                    • #85
                      exactly.
                      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                      Sayyid Qutb

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                      • #86
                        we are all just thoughtforms of gods imagination. time is simultaneous, there is only now. marvellous, isn't it? ;-)

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                        • #87
                          you read the secret don't you
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #88
                            the secret lol
                            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                            Sayyid Qutb

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                            • #89
                              that the best you guys can do?? limp

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                              • #90
                                the aussie feels insecure
                                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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