Question to the atheists

[graveyardofempires]

Dino Bubble gum, when a person lives in a western country...it doesn't mean that he is struggling to maintain his islamic and afghan identity..

I know families in here...who have been in here for over 40 years...their kids are born in here..who all speak pashto, farsi, urdu and english...and they are also very religious and practice islam well. They all love Afghanistan too, and also got married in Afghanistan as well.. unlike the nigga wannabe ..


It's all in the mind my friend.. not everyone has a weak imaan like you do..

No wonder you are siding with a kafir.

some of my family members came to germany long time ago and their grand children were born here.
they are like the most adherent pashtuns,unlike some so called living in watan and wanna bee western or living in western wanna be NWA

[Michin Khel]

Dino Bubble gum, when a person lives in a western country...it doesn't mean that he is struggling to maintain his islamic and afghan identity..

I know families in here...who have been in here for over 40 years...their kids are born in here..who all speak pashto, farsi, urdu and english...and they are also very religious and practice islam well. They all love Afghanistan too, and also got married in Afghanistan as well.. unlike the nigga wannabe ..


It's all in the mind my friend.. not everyone has a weak imaan like you do..

No wonder you are siding with a kafir.

Na wrora , i am simply not into this hate stuff....Its their personal beliefs. As long as they dont cross limits and attack islam, we should be ok with them...

[graveyardofempires]

This Amir wannabe pashtun claims to be canadian, yet look at his username..

inferiority complex much? LOL

his screenname is that of an uzbek Islamic emperor who was known as buth shekan,his avatar shows a zionist and a mass murderer,he is an atheist and claims to be pashtun and brags about chanpagne and spare ribs.

nigga please

[graveyardofempires]

Na wrora , i am simply not into this hate stuff....Its their personal beliefs. As long as they dont cross limits and attack islam, we should be ok with them...

they do attack Islam and you are too weak to defen yours,so instead you attack us che ekhpel mekh wartha speen ke.

[graveyardofempires]

If afghanistan is only for muslims and there no place in it for non-muslims like levanay zalmay then what about sikhs and hindus of kandahar? Who according to kandaharis are very patriot afghans. In the same way sikhs of peshawer and khyber agency are very well integrated into pashtun society. If an athiest e.g zalmay doesnt impose his personal beliefs on others then how he can not be part of pashtun society?
Leavanay zalmay has grasp on pashtun matters much stronger than most of you guys. Just because he is athiest ,it doesnt mean he loses credibility as a pashtun...i wont advocate all athiests, but i have great respect for zalmay because he is great as a person and his heart beats for pashtuns...

those sikhs and hindus are indeed patriotic and they dont have a problem with muslim pashtuns unlike these people who wish to deislamise Pashtuns.
so the fact is he does try to impose his belief on others,

[Michin Khel]

they do attack Islam and you are too weak to defen yours,so instead you attack us che ekhpel mekh wartha speen ke.

You always talks of loy afghanistan and leavany zalmay is a big supporter of loy afghanistan..you two have this in common but you are rejecting him because he is an athiest?

[graveyardofempires]

You always talks of loy afghanistan and leavany zalmay is a big supporter of loy afghanistan..you two have this in common but you are rejecting him because he is an athiest?

yes i do because he disrespects over 99% of pashtuns.
he would have respected the people first than to think about loy Afghanistan.
they also expect tolerance when they dont show any tolerance to Pukhtane and disrespect their way of life and culte and think they are superior for being deislamised.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Both of you losers live in the west and disrespect their better way of life, beghairat munafiqs

You two losers must envy the principle and honesty of the Amir

Afghanistan is going to hell, and jn 10 yrs will be wiped off the map

But no no, those athiests are the problem

Lol

Why do you even care? You are niether Afghan or Pashtun... go away.. you african canadian..nwa

Inshallah, Afghans will fix their own problems..they don't need peanut heads like you...

[graveyardofempires]

thats like asking was my ancestors stupid for not using the microwave to heat their food

my elders were constrained by the limits of their knowledge and understanding. i have a different set of standards for those living today then those living 50,100,1000 yrs ago

people of my fathers generation, Islam is all they know. I dont fault them

The young ones of today should know better but you have to understand, as a rational logic person i dont care what people believe as long as it doesnt interfere with me

its the religious ones that are insecure and have small penises and get mad when people dont want to be their religion, and resort to arguments with threats etcetra etcetra

not really
using a microwave,computer,car is something different than changing one's religion.
there are millions of pashtuns who use these things and they havent deviated from their way of life.
so are you telling me using microwave requires one to be an atheist?
you think just cuz you were born in canada and lack your religion means you are something better than the over majority of pashtuns and your own parents and grandparents?
NO YOU AE NOT
people of your fathers generation knew they truth and you dont,simple as that.Young ones of today are also Alhamdulilah muslims and yourngsters int he future will eb that as well,they wont change their religion for champagn and pork chops.
you say that as long as they dont interfere with mine but than you go talking about genitile size which shows that you have no respect that their are muslim/pashtun girls around here,so you do interfere with ours,so the best option for you is to change your name to Bob and leave us alone.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

not really
using a microwave,computer,car is something different than changing one's religion.
there are millions of pashtuns who use these things and they havent deviated from their way of life.
so are you telling me using microwave requires one to be an atheist?
you think just cuz you were born in canada and lack your religion means you are something better than the over majority of pashtuns and your own parents and grandparents?
NO YOU AE NOT
people of your fathers generation knew they truth and you dont,simple as that.Young ones of today are also Alhamdulilah muslims and yourngsters int he future will eb that as well,they wont change their religion for champagn and pork chops.
you say that as long as they dont interfere with mine but than you go talking about genitile size which shows that you have no respect that their are muslim/pashtun girls around here,so you do interfere with ours,so the best option for you is to change your name to Bob and leave us alone.

Does it make you mad that when this 6"7 Kakar walks into a room, all you hear is whispers of namukhuda and "da yow asal afghan da, shakal teh wogara"

When you walk into a room, you hear whispers of "kesey ho bai jan, tik tak hoga"

[graveyardofempires]

Does it make you mad that when this 6"7 Kakar walks into a room, all you hear is whispers of namukhuda and "da yow asal afghan da, shakal teh wogara"

When you walk into a room, you hear whispers of "kesey ho bai jan, tik tak hoga"

typical non sense coming from a fake pashtun as you are.
when you walk in they would say "da khezonak sog dey,Dam kho ba neweey"
and when you start talking your anti afghan non sense "poza wamatha ka dedey beghairahta belamaza jenota"

you dont even know what i look like,and i feel sorry for you.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Does it make you mad that when this 6"7 Kakar walks into a room, all you hear is whispers of namukhuda and "da yow asal afghan da, shakal teh wogara"

When you walk into a room, you hear whispers of "kesey ho bai jan, tik tak hoga"

you should seek help..if you hear whispers..in your ears..

[emkhan]

typical non sense coming from a fake pashtun as you are.
when you walk in they would say "da khezonak sog dey,Dam kho ba neweey"
and when you start talking your anti afghan non sense "poza wamatha ka dedey beghairahta belamaza jenota"

you dont even know what i look like,and i feel sorry for you.

hahahahahah OMG... graveyarda bs ka. der rikhtya ma waya... da halak ba pa jarraa shi. bya ba ye sok qalarawi.

[graveyardofempires]

^
der me zre pe swazey bechara na lara wreka da.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I couldn't care less how "secularists" talk. Why can't I talk about Islam? If Christians and atheists can write entire encyclopedias on Islam, can I not even speak about it?

In any case, I have observed here that some of the most outspoken Islamists on PF use the worst sort of language and do not fear using abuses and derogatory terms for others. Modesty and patience are the last two qualities that they show. If you don't believe me, I can post many examples for you. In fact, I have reported dozens of posts by your friends to the administrators many times and you can even ask them if you don't take my word for it.

OK Lavaneea Lets hold palaver. And it is palaver because I feel that this discussion has been had a thousand times now a thousand and one.

Its not your discussion of Islam, its your incoherence and contradictory nature.

Take for example your views on history and your own people. If you have lived there, you know full well what the true state of affairs are in the village and what the average Pashtun views as important. But you SUBVERT this.

You create an anti reality and revise or neglect history that is uncomfortable for you. Yet you decry the Muslim revisionist who dares question the holocaust or some other Western assertion. This is the accusation you make against the hardcore Muslims, but you do the same thing!

Take for instance your repeated assertions justifying American incursions into Afghanistan. You blithely state: well Osama and a group of Arabs did a terrorist attack on America and that justified America entering Afghanistan. Then, you predicate your support for the Karzai government and the former Najib government (two governments with nearly diametrically opposed views on capitalism) based on this.

Yet you gloss over the very important history of what America did to create the mess, instead deciding, without substance or proof that the typical Pashtun communist retort of "Brzenzski dunnit" suffices. You know full well it does not. You know full well what sort of incursions and adventures on the part of the Western powers and their interventionalism created this mess.

You know full well what the rural masses live like and what they are comfortable with.

Ghaznavi is in an entirely different boat than you. From day 1 here, when you see his oldest posts he clearly states that he may not agree with the ground level Afghan... he does not believe in the same theological constructs as the rural masses... but he admits freely that this is what Afghanistan is and was. He does not try to create an anti reality where Pashtuns were bangra bagra ing it up, where Khushaal Khan Khattak could go and pay some visits to Zergunaay's house and take her out for coffee.

He does not create this false construct that you and others do where Pashtuns were like some sort of Soap Opera melodrama of love devoid of any sort of societal mores.

And also, if we talk about insults, let us think for a minute about what the village mother will tolerate or the village elder.

From you we have heard about scotch on the rocks, Lindsay Lohan looking good in skirts, and Veena Malik being brave.

To many in our areas these are offensive as much as Graveyard and AFG21's language toward eachother, if not more.

Take in other instances your blithe postings without serious investigation before you do it, regarding Islamic injunctions.

For instance you posted the hadith that supposedly discusses chess, a board game the Arabs had yet to encounter, and just said here: fatwa proves its haraam. And then you sat back and confidently assumed you had just made Islamic theology look backwards, idiotic, and foolish when in fact it was your own inadequate research on the subject that made you look that way.

I mean your views are not hard to figure out, you basically march lock stock and barell with the prototypical ANPiite view of what Pashtuns should be, but are not.

And this is the massive chasm of difference between you and the Amir. He has stated clearly that secular democracy, atheism, amongst other ideological constructs are not native to Afghanistan and are not palatable to the masses. He views Afghanistan as it is, not as he wishes it to be.

Even his commentaries on Islam, he does not go to the local polemic website called answeringislam.com and cut and paste from there, and not have read up on the topic.