Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

There is no logic used when you read other peoples evidence and claim your illuminated all of the sudden. That's blind following, indoctrinated by shaky evidence.

Indeed. That's why you need to look *past* your religion, and give science a chance.

Unlike Islam, science is against blindly following anyone, anything, or any idea. Everything is up to be challenged, and if you can provide a theory or idea that matches the given evidence, people will investigate your claims. If they hold merit, your idea becomes the new top dog, and the old one goes away.

The only ones that blindly follow anyone are the religious that refuse to even examine the evidence, out of fear that their faith, and their god, are too weak to withstand an investigation.

[ozymandias]

No one here was arguing. But you have RTR who instigates people like a snake and Flip flops his religious views like his name is John Kerry.

If someone uses real logic, all roads leads to the all-mighty Allah.

Then why are you so fearful of logic? Why not take a look down those roads? If what you say is true, it could *only* strengthen your faith.

You talk a big talk, but in the end, you are too afraid to even learn what science is, or how it works, let alone look into what it says.

If you read random "scientist" experiments, they'll make you believe in leprechauns by stamping evidence.

Um... no? No modern school of scientific thought takes leprechauns seriously, in any way, shape, or form.

It's sick that hundreds of thousands of Prophets have been send forth to humanity, but in the 21st century, humans are still blind deaf and dumb. Smh

Don't worry, we are learning to see and hear better each day. That's why, as we learn more about how the world works, people are less easily fooled by charlatans and mystics.

[ozymandias]

Yea, that's is nice and all Mahmoud but I wasn't comparing the science of brushing your teeth to the existence of god. You don't understand my stance because it's not written in basic textbook language.

Speaking for myself, the reason I don't understand your stance is that you appear to keep saying blind faith and dogmatically following something is bad -- but then try to pretend like it's science that relies on dogmatic, blind faith -- and not religion.

What you say to justify your rejection of science has been reason, after reason to accept science... but you keep acting like science is somehow evil.

I already said my proverbs, I am done. Now all let god take care of the rest.

Goodbye then.

[ozymandias]

Only someone who is insecure says "Checkmate," on an online discussion.

It looks like you haven't found God, and is confused between his faith and his science books. One cannot find God reading book; it comes from personal experiences and not from others. reading helps explore, searching discovers.

I can't make someone believe in god just how the Prophet could not. It's up to each individual to come to the conclusion.

Why don't you read a book sometime? I mean other than just the koran? Read a science book, find out what all the fuss is about, and then learn what it is you are actually rejecting?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Only someone who is insecure says "Checkmate," on an online discussion.

It looks like you haven't found God, and is confused between his faith and his science books. One cannot find God reading book; it comes from personal experiences and not from others. reading helps explore, searching discovers.

I can't make someone believe in god just how the Prophet could not. It's up to each individual to come to the conclusion.

No a person who knows they called you out for absurd claims says checkmate ,...a person who's inescure, tries to hide behind misused terms like "lateral thninking" and feels intimidated when someone checkmates them.

I'm fine regarding God, the question is ...are you? I think you just latch on to God as a way to compensate for your inadequacies

That isn't true belief, that is just looking for a Cosmic Scapegoat.

[faye]

Yet you keep acting like it is a problem, or embarrassing to science and scientists when something is disproven.

You can't have it both ways.

that is your faulty assumption or you are just resorting to being a liar.

[faye]

Then why not add science into the mix? Learn a little about it, see what it has to say, and see how well it explains the world? You are dismissing science before you even understand what it is.

where do i dismiss science? by stating this over and over does not make it true.

i think science has some amazing aspects but scientific creations are also the cause of many dangerous and toxic pollutants on our planet. many medicines are shown to be defective, with bad side effects that just create new illnesses.

do you believe that science and scientists are beyond criticism, because you identify as one?

does the belief that humans are merely meat who just so happened to 'evolve' a thinking mind, make it easier for people like yourself, to approve of genocide?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

that is your faulty assumption or you are just resorting to being a liar.

so why were you fawning about science "constantly changing their minds" as if they were some confused child or something?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

where do i dismiss science? by stating this over and over does not make it true.

i think science has some amazing aspects but scientific creations are also the cause of many dangerous and toxic pollutants on our planet. many medicines are shown to be defective, with bad side effects that just create new illnesses.

do you believe that science and scientists are beyond criticism, because you identify as one?

does the belief that humans are merely meat who just so happened to 'evolve' a thinking mind, make it easier for people like yourself, to approve of genocide?

Science has also developed ways to maintain and clean the environment and scientists have made medicines which work where Aboriginal voodoo has failed.

You can't blame science, science is just trying to figure things out, It's constantly being modified

when have the australian aboriginals ever modified their idiotic claims?

[faye]

See, that's where you are wrong. Since you don't understand what science is, you think that overturning one part of science weakens it, or harms it in some way, when what it really is, is an act of improvement. Each time we disprove something, we know a little more, and have a better idea to replace it.

no. never said it harmed science to change conclusions, but i say it dents the egos of those who bank on scientific conclusions to promote their own egotistical agenda of having superior knowledge to others and being the only ones who are right.


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[faye]

so why were you fawning about science "constantly changing their minds" as if they were some confused child or something?

show me where i was fawning about science constantly changing it's mind.
bit of evidence please.

it was you that kept fawning over it and making false accusations.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

show me where i was fawning about science constantly changing it's mind.
bit of evidence please.

it was you that kept fawning over it and making false accusations.

um the part where you said "they're constantly changing their minds"? Amnesia again Faye? old age hindering brain elasticity?

[faye]

[QUOTE=RevolutionThroughReason;657027]Science has also developed ways to maintain and clean the environment and scientists have made medicines which work where Aboriginal voodoo has failed.
You can't blame science, science is just trying to figure things out, It's constantly being modified
when have the australian aboriginals ever modified their idiotic claims?[/QUOT

so scientists don't use information from native peoples about native medicines? you are not very expansive in your knowledge.

well you can't blame anyone for anything then because everyone is 'just trying to figure things out'.
so stop beating up on the taliban then. stop blaming pashtuns for creating their own problems then.

your superiority complex, against aboriginals is rather amusing.you sound like a white supremacist. identity crises, what.

but, since the aboriginals lived in australia for approximately 60,000 years without polluting the air, rivers and land, without scientists and their inventions, with their own ideas about life the universe and everything, who are you to say that THEY are the dodos?
AND, GOD FORBID...they had, NO INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!

like really, what has improved with the modern world?
there are drug addicts, masses of people in the west are on medications, go to psychiatrists, new illnesses, kids like you, who don't mature till they are 40, if at all, stress, wars, slaughters, mass paedophile activity using the precious internet, shootings, murders, rapes every 2 minutes, in america. polluted oceans, rivers, water tables, etc etc etc...

since industrial, scientific, civilisation and the use of modern scientific inventions, we have environmental messes that scientists now have to create new inventions, to clean up.

[faye]

um the part where you said "they're constantly changing their minds"? Amnesia again Faye? old age hindering brain elasticity?

oh, so fawning means saying something once?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

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so scientists don't use information from native peoples about native medicines? you are not very expansive in your knowledge.

That doesn't answer my question; when have Aboriginals modified things when new information was aavailable?

well you can't blame anyone for anything then because everyone is 'just trying to figure things out'.
so stop beating up on the taliban then. stop blaming pashtuns for creating their own problems then.

Nope, Pashtuns nor the Taliban attempt to modify their information to get more accurate information. That's what makes them reprehensible.

your superiority complex, against aboriginals is rather amusing.you sound like a white supremacist. identity crises, what.

That's just your inferiority complex speaking.

but, since the aboriginals lived in australia for approximately 60,000 years without polluting the air, rivers and land, without scientists and their inventions, with their own ideas about life the universe and everything, who are you to say that THEY are the dodos?
AND, GOD FORBID...they had, NO INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!

Lies, . Australian Aboriginals suffered mass famines and had expended many of the resources of their habitat. So much for that.

like really, what has improved with the modern world?

Kids not dying from malaria , polio, our life expectancy is better, we don't have to worry (as much) of women dying in child birth.

YOU get the privilege to live past 60 instead of dying like a prune.

All the negative stuff you speak of has existed LONG before Modern Science started becoming in use. Science is not responsible for those. Your laziness and lack of responsibility is.

since industrial, scientific, civilisation and the use of modern scientific inventions, we have environmental messes that scientists now have to create new inventions, to clean up.

And we're learning from them and we're cleaning it up and making the world better.

Better than dying from famine like your Aboriginals did.