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  • Originally posted by کیش View Post
    No one is denying science. You need the knowledge of science and spirituality to be complete. But spirituality>>>> science.


    But what you're doing is mxing up unsubstantiable claims with ones we can substantiate


    how can something any hocus pocus can make up be complete?
    Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 12-12-2012, 01:05 PM.
    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • Originally posted by کیش View Post
      You worship and are satisfied by the work yet ignore the worker who completed it. Paintings paint themselves, smh


      Yes, I am a snake just like everyone else. But I admit it and am not delusional about it. I have my own intentions
      if I was to tell you that behind this door, there is this beautiful garden with all these mystical creatures and beautiful plants and whatnot, would you not want to see it for yourself or do you just want to sit there and hear me tell you about it instead?? If you want to see it, is it because you don't believe me or because you want to see this garden with your own eyes??
      Its not that anyone is ignoring the creator but that people want to have a better understanding of him. Quraan is the book but he also created this world full of wonders and then gave you eyes to see and a brain to understand it with.

      "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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      • I have seen mystical creatures and that garden. Not everyone can or has, so you have to accept words of madmen like me and the Prophets. Or you could continue your search but you won't find it outside.

        Atheism is just a fad. It'll go away soon I could tell you that much; Dajjal is alive and breathing, people will soon jump on that bandwagon

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        • Originally posted by کیش View Post
          I have seen mystical creatures and that garden. Not everyone can or has, so you have to accept words of madmen like me and the Prophets. Or you could continue your search but you won't find it outside.

          Atheism is just a fad. It'll go away soon I could tell you that much; Dajjal is alive and breathing, people will soon jump on that bandwagon

          Talk about contradicting yourself first you say "the evidence is all around us" now you say that you won't be able to find the evidence outside.


          Which either tells us that you know you're full of hot air or you're so mentally unstable you say things erratically
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • Originally posted by کیش View Post
            No one is denying science.
            You seem to be repeatedly denying what you think science is.


            You need the knowledge of science and spirituality to be complete. But spirituality>>>> science.
            Not true, on either point. Care to provide evidence on these two claims?
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            "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

            "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

            أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
            (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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            • Originally posted by کیش View Post
              I have seen mystical creatures and that garden.
              No -- you claim to have seen them. You have not yet provided any sort of proof of this claim.


              Not everyone can or has, so you have to accept words of madmen like me and the Prophets. Or you could continue your search but you won't find it outside.

              Atheism is just a fad. It'll go away soon I could tell you that much; Dajjal is alive and breathing, people will soon jump on that bandwagon
              Feel free to believe that.
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              "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

              "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

              أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
              (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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              • Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                Talk about contradicting yourself first you say "the evidence is all around us" now you say that you won't be able to find the evidence outside.


                Which either tells us that you know you're full of hot air or you're so mentally unstable you say things erratically
                I think I am going to chalk this one up as 'language barrier'. Rather than assume that this is indeed a self contradicting mad-man, I believe that English is not their first language, and they are having difficulty making coherent points. It only appears insane and ignorant due to not fully understanding the words being used. They have already shown themselves to have no clue what 'science' and 'religion' mean, which makes this a nearly impossible conversation.
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                "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                • Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                  if I was to tell you that behind this door, there is this beautiful garden with all these mystical creatures and beautiful plants and whatnot, would you not want to see it for yourself or do you just want to sit there and hear me tell you about it instead?? If you want to see it, is it because you don't believe me or because you want to see this garden with your own eyes??
                  Its not that anyone is ignoring the creator but that people want to have a better understanding of him. Quraan is the book but he also created this world full of wonders and then gave you eyes to see and a brain to understand it with.
                  I like you. You are a great example of how religion and science can work together. Science does not need to replace religion (although for many it can). There are many devoutly religious people that accept science and use it to complement religion. The only problem is when you take religion literally and try to replace science with it.

                  And in all honesty -- wouldn't a creator want you to be all you can be, and use all the gifts given to you to explore their creation? Every artist I have ever met was the same way -- they wanted people to explore every inch of their creation and study it -- not cover most of it up and ignore the parts that they didn't like...
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                  "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                  أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                  (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                  • Originally posted by ozymandias View Post
                    I think I am going to chalk this one up as 'language barrier'. Rather than assume that this is indeed a self contradicting mad-man, I believe that English is not their first language, and they are having difficulty making coherent points. It only appears insane and ignorant due to not fully understanding the words being used. They have already shown themselves to have no clue what 'science' and 'religion' mean, which makes this a nearly impossible conversation.


                    No Kais was raised in New York, he was just a huge pothead and tried harder drugs, That may explain the mystical creatures bit.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      No Kais was raised in New York, he was just a huge pothead and tried harder drugs, That may explain the mystical creatures bit.
                      But that does *not* explain his difficulties with the English language. His entire arguments appear to be based on him not knowing what the words he is actually using mean...
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                      "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                      "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                      أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                      (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                      • Originally posted by ozymandias View Post
                        But that does *not* explain his difficulties with the English language. His entire arguments appear to be based on him not knowing what the words he is actually using mean...
                        well that's true about even North American raised individuals. He's

                        He's one of those people who think "Theory" means "Guess"

                        watch ask him if he thinks evolution is "just a theory">

                        haha
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          No Kais was raised in New York, he was just a huge pothead and tried harder drugs, That may explain the mystical creatures bit.
                          Good run around buddy. Your a good example of an educated man

                          Who are you going to team up with next time with the popular view? Tune in next week

                          Run and join the person with the popular view and claim he's just reading others response. That's a good fallacy of saying you can't.


                          Should I be seeing you with me in hell? More than likely
                          Last edited by کیش; 12-12-2012, 01:53 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                            Good run around buddy. Your a good example of an educated man

                            Who are you going to team up with next time with the popular view? Tune in next week


                            you're saying that believing in unsubstantiated claims of creatures and invisible gardens isn't popular? ......and what's the team up nonsense about? don't you team up against me all the time, and accuse me of being an Uncle Tom just because I don't follow the accepted views of Muslim societies?
                            Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 12-12-2012, 01:55 PM.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              well that's true about even North American raised individuals. He's

                              He's one of those people who think "Theory" means "Guess"

                              watch ask him if he thinks evolution is "just a theory">

                              haha
                              That's an almost understandable mistake, but to confuse science and Scientology, or science and religion? Not so much...
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                              "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                              "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                              أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                              (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                              • Originally posted by کیش View Post
                                Good run around buddy. Your a good example of an educated man

                                Who are you going to team up with next time with the popular view? Tune in next week

                                Run and join the person with the popular view and claim he's just reading others response. That's a good fallacy of saying you can't.


                                Should I be seeing you with me in hell? More than likely
                                Not at all likely, since there is no evidence it exists...
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                                "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                                "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                                أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                                (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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