Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[Alchemist]

hahhahahaaa

"proven you wrong" ...LOL

very funny ...

keep saying that buddy ...one day it might...just might ..come true

birds of the same feather...

[ozymandias]

hahhahahaaa

"proven you wrong" ...LOL

very funny ...

keep saying that buddy ...one day it might...just might ..come true

It's happened quite frequently over the last few weeks. I would think that you would be embarrassed by now.

birds of the same feather...

[Alchemist]

Oh it sure did buddy ...

and then you got invited to Buckingham palace and got knighted for it too.

[ozymandias]

Oh it sure did buddy ...

and then you got invited to Buckingham palace and got knighted for it too.

Usually one does not get knighted for trivial behavior.

[Alchemist]

Just off the top of your head..

what did you prove me wrong in?

[ozymandias]

Just off the top of your head..

what did you prove me wrong in?

The first thing that jumps to mind is your claim that speciation has never been observed. Or your claims that that video you posted disproved evolution. Either one of those is a spectacular example of you being proven wrong.

[Alchemist]

The first thing that jumps to mind is your claim that speciation has never been observed. Or your claims that that video you posted disproved evolution. Either one of those is a spectacular example of you being proven wrong.

OF course speciation has not been observed!


The video DID disprove YOUR claim that antibiotic resistance is an example of "speciation"! When in fact it was an example of "micro evolution" - variation, polymorphism!

You still don't get it.

Which is why you are a moron!

[ozymandias]

OF course speciation has not been observed!

And I provided a huge list of organisms disproving this claim of yours.

The video DID disprove YOUR claim that antibiotic resistance is an example of "speciation"! When in fact it was an example of "micro evolution" - variation, polymorphism!

You are over-generalising here. The video did *NOT* disprove anything in general. It showed, in this particular case, that we observed microevolution. They did not even investigate macroevolution, or speciation, or any such thing. To state it disproved something the video did not even cover is dishonest of you.

You still don't get it.

Which is why you are a moron!

I get it. I completely understand that you are unable to understand basic science or logic, and refuse to admit when you made a mistake. It's quite clear.

[Alchemist]

And I provided a huge list of organisms disproving this claim of yours.

And that was all it was you moron! A list of species!
Then you tried to show that one particular plant form was turning into a different species, when really it was a chromosomal rearrangement. And like that I showed you that your list was just a list. It never showed what changed into what or how!

You are over-generalising here. The video did *NOT* disprove anything in general. It showed, in this particular case, that we observed microevolution. They did not even investigate macroevolution, or speciation, or any such thing. To state it disproved something the video did not even cover is dishonest of you.

Yes, micro evolution. Do you even know what micro evolution means? It has nothing to do with SPECIATION!

Know the difference than come argue with me...mr layman!

I get it. I completely understand that you are unable to understand basic science or logic, and refuse to admit when you made a mistake. It's quite clear.

You don't even know the difference between micro and macro evolution and your here to debate with me on the 'science'.

Buddy its because you don't have the scientific background that we re still playing in the mud. I am still teaching you what bacteria is! You don't even know how many ways bacteria can change it's plasmid DNA....while you keep dabbling "mutation...mutation...mutation..." You don't even know what a mutation is!


And also, you forgot you were so stupid to the basics of sciences that you think it takes 1600 Celsius degrees of heat to melt a 6inch thick fire coated beam....when every single engineer in the world will tell you 3000! Buddy ..you are so stupid you believe a 100 story tall building of concrete and steel can fall at the same speed as a ball dropped from the roof! Really! You are that stupid ...so don't talk to me about "Science" or "Logic". That is *NOT* your forte!


Stick to your hypothetical constructs and your horror fiction novels, and star treck! Leave science to scientists to debate! And I don't mean "talkorigin.com"


Fool!

[ozymandias]

And that was all it was you moron! A list of species!

In which we observed speciation, proving you wrong.

Then you tried to show that one particular plant form was turning into a different species, when really it was a chromosomal rearrangement.

And clearly, you don't realize that that counts as both evolution and speciation.

And like that I showed you that your list was just a list. It never showed what changed into what or how!

a) you never showed that
b) you never asked for more, you asked for proof that speciation occurred.

Yes, micro evolution. Do you even know what micro evolution means? It has nothing to do with SPECIATION!

Clearly you don't understand what it is, because microevolution is one of the multiple paths to macroevolution.

[quote]

Know the difference than come argue with me...mr layman!

[quote]

Look in a mirror. I am having no trouble with these definitions.

You don't even know the difference between micro and macro evolution and your here to debate with me on the 'science'.

*sigh*

Prove it.

Buddy its because you don't have the scientific background that we re still playing in the mud. I am still teaching you what bacteria is!

Prove it. You keep claiming you are teaching me, or correcting me, when I have repeatedly educated you. You have yet to do the same to me.

You don't even know how many ways bacteria can change it's plasmid DNA....while you keep dabbling "mutation...mutation...mutation..." You don't even know what a mutation is!

*sigh* Any change to dna is a mutation. Period.

And also, you forgot you were so stupid to the basics of sciences that you think it takes 1600 Celsius degrees of heat to melt a 6inch thick fire coated beam....when every single engineer in the world will tell you 3000!

Again, quoting me out of context, as well as misquoting me. I stated that it only takes roughly 60% of the melting temperature to bend or deform a metal under stress. I never stated that steel melted at 1600 degrees.

Buddy ..you are so stupid you believe a 100 story tall building of concrete and steel can fall at the same speed as a ball dropped from the roof!

Might want to look into gravity. The weight of an item does not impact how fast it falls.

Really! You are that stupid ...so don't talk to me about "Science" or "Logic". That is *NOT* your forte!

*sigh*

Stick to your hypothetical constructs and your horror fiction novels, and star treck! Leave science to scientists to debate! And I don't mean "talkorigin.com"


Fool!

So what are you doing in this conversation? If I am not educated enough to be here, what does that say about you, when I am constantly correcting and educating you on points you have wrong?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

OF course speciation has not been observed!

Not only has speciation been observed, you can even do it yourself.

The best-documented creations of new species in the laboratory were performed in the late 1980s. William Rice and G.W. Salt bred fruit flies, Drosophila melanogaster, using a maze with three different choices of habitat such as light/dark and wet/dry. Each generation was placed into the maze, and the groups of flies that came out of two of the eight exits were set apart to breed with each other in their respective groups. After thirty-five generations, the two groups and their offspring were isolated reproductively because of their strong habitat preferences: they mated only within the areas they preferred, and so did not mate with flies that preferred the other areas.[20] The history of such attempts is described in Rice and Hostert (1993).[21]

Diane Dodd was also able to show how reproductive isolation can develop from mating preferences in Drosophila pseudoobscura fruit flies after only eight generations using different food types, starch and maltose.[22]

Here's the source-document for this entry.

In fact, they've even identified the gene that causes this speciation.

A central goal of evolutionary biology is to identify the genes and evolutionary forces that cause speciation, the emergence of reproductive isolation between populations. Despite the identification of several genes that cause hybrid sterility or inviability—many of which have evolved rapidly under positive Darwinian selection—little is known about the ecological or genomic forces that drive the evolution of postzygotic isolation. Here, we show that the same gene, Overdrive, causes both male sterility and segregation distortion in F1 hybrids between the Bogota and U.S. subspecies of Drosophila pseudoobscura. This segregation distorter gene is essential for hybrid sterility, a strong reproductive barrier between these young taxa. Our results suggest that genetic conflict may be an important evolutionary force in speciation.

A Single Gene Causes Both Male Sterility and Segregation Distortion in Drosophila Hybrids

Which is why you are a moron!

We should at least try to act like grownups...

[ozymandias]

Not only has speciation been observed, you can even do it yourself.




Here's the source-document for this entry.

In fact, they've even identified the gene that causes this speciation.



A Single Gene Causes Both Male Sterility and Segregation Distortion in Drosophila Hybrids




We should at least try to act like grownups...

Indeed. It's always amazed me that people still reject the overwhelming evidence, and have nothing to support their position -- but then still have the arrogance to claim they are right.

[Afghanistan2010]

whats the reason you live ?
for what purpose do you live ?

[ozymandias]

whats the reason you live ?

When two people love each other very much.... Well, you get the idea.

for what purpose do you live ?

Because it sure beats the alternative.

[Alchemist]

Indeed. It's always amazed me that people still reject the overwhelming evidence, and have nothing to support their position -- but then still have the arrogance to claim they are right.

To reiterate for the nth time...

As long as they can mate...they are of the same species. Levanay failed.


Please take some biology courses then come debate with me.