which Islam sect to be followed

[king_zazai]

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^ Wrora, Islam also teaches peace not violence, talk to your brothers with respect.

peace 2 those who deserve it...wen a FOOL calls zakir naik a moron he deserves 2 be beat.....so he thinsk his better then niak heheheh oooo i get it his a joker hehehehe pork rakhan is a joker ooo okok my bad hehehe

[king_zazai]

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i never knew pashtuns can be this dumb.....o and he follow pashtunwali hehehe WAT A JOKe=E sorry buddy u r not muslim if u do pashtunwali cause u have 2 do 1 or da other expcailly here in the west..........im sorry but 1st time im saying this but pashtuns will never become a normal nation cause we have so much idiotssss like pork rokhan hatying on 1 of the best ppl on earth

[Laila]

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i never knew pashtuns can be this dumb.....o and he follow pashtunwali hehehe WAT A JOKe=E sorry buddy u r not muslim if u do pashtunwali cause u have 2 do 1 or da other expcailly here in the west..........im sorry but 1st time im saying this but pashtuns will never become a normal nation cause we have so much idiotssss like pork rokhan hatying on 1 of the best ppl on earth

Dude come on, quit being a hater.......he said his view on it, and he is fully entitled to it....So what if he does not like Zakir Naik or not, hell, half the time i cannot understand him....Dont be rude and stop disrespecting someone who showed you otherwise. He never said anything wrong or offensive to you, so dont be immature about it. You act like Zakir Naik is the prophet or something, jeez. And you are so uptight about being 100% pashtun and this and that, but you have a problem with someone who respects and follows Pashtunwali, does not make much sense to me. And no, Pir Rokhan is not an idiot. A person is not idiot if he has different views and knows how to support it. An idiot is the one who says immature things and acts in an immature way...clearly you do not know who the idiot is.



!!! YAY that was my 300th post!!!

[Roshina]

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@ King Zazai:
No, wror jaana. I was not kidding at all. As you can see in my other posts regarding Zakir Naik, I have given reasons for why I disagree with him. (Those posts can be found in the thread Zakir Naik on Sania Mirza; the thread Will non-Muslims go to heaven;and this thread, in which my posts are posted in the beginning as comments to Naik's video.

The brother above (Pir Rokhan) who also expressed strong disagreement Naik gave some great reasons. Can you negate them? Anyone who listens to Zakir Naik and considers him a scholar will *not* be able to refute Pir Rokhan's comments. And he wrote:

beating me or anyone will not refute those arguments which I have presented

Anyway, I do not need to do tobah because I have done nothing wrong. If I were to repent, this is something I woudln't at ALL repent for. What, repent for having said Zakir Naik doesn't make sense in ANY of his videos, or at lesat 98% of them? Just because I don't think highly of him and, in fact, think that anyone who has the power to think, see, and hear will just look at this man and go, "My God, I'm sorry for our Muslim brothers and sisters who listen to him so zealously!"

Also, I do not *hate" Zakir Naik, lol. I have no business to hate or love him. I'm absolutely indifferent towards him and his teachings, and since you feel sorry for ME for not seeing what I can't "appreciate" about him (OMG, I can't believe Muslims today have come to a level in which they consider people like *Zakir Naik* scholars :S), consider the feeling mutual

i never knew pashtuns can be this dumb.....

It's interesting how you and I define "dumb" and "intelligent" so differently. You see, I wait for ONE intelligent human to convert to Islam because of Naik. I wait to meet ONE Intelligent Muslim who agrees with anything Zakir Naik says or listens to his videos to learn from him, or is a fan Zakir Naik's. I haven't met any yet, but I will wait.

and he follow pashtunwali hehehe WAT A JOKe=E sorry

You should never be sorry when you want to make a point to anyone.
What does this have to do with Pashtunwali? Is Zakir Naik the ONLY "scholar" we have out there? You do know that academic scholars of Islam listen to Naik only for amusement, right? Yeah. Just thought I'd let you know this guy isn't EVERYONE's favorite. In fact, he's barely anyone's favorite -- only a certain group of Muslims adore him.

[Admin Khan]

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King Zazai,
Respected graan wrora, Lets keep this civil and as professional as possible. If you disagree, simply state why, calling someone "Dumb and etc" does not help, I know you are better as compared to that.

I hope you understand, Manana.


-Admin Khan

[Roshina]

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sorry buddy u r not muslim if u do pashtunwali cause u have 2 do 1 or da other expcailly here in the west

The way you talk says A LOT about you *and* about Pukhtuns. I wish it didn't, but it does. People who read your post will completely ignore the positive language so many of us try to use on our Pukhtun forum and refer to YOURS and say, "See, see, see?? I TOLD You Pukhtuns are this kind of people!" So please bear in mind that when one Pukhtun makes a mistake or uses bad language, the whole world accuses all Pukhtuns for it. And I would absolutely HATE to be associated with ANYONE who doens't know how to debate or hold a healthy discussion but uses personal language as his ONLY weapon -- and you fail at it, too, because it makes me sit here and go, "tsk, tsk, tsk. God, please help this kid here. He really needs you right now."

You know, Zazai wrora, you don't seem to worship *God*, the Creator; you seem to worship Zakir Naik. I say this, and the answer lies in your posts. If you worshiped and followed God, your tone would be far more positive; it wouldn't contain insults and abuses, and you'd be more secure about your faith and woudln't be intimidated by the mere notion of someone disagreeing with you.

I try not to bother with people who lack knowledge the way you do, but you're the first case we've had on this forum to humiliate, dishonor, and disrespect yourself, your family, Pukhtuns, and hence Muslims SO much that I thought I should remind you that *actual humans* are reading what you're writing here, so please try to be a bit more careful in how you present your views.

I do not ask for respect (I don't need the respect of anyone who can't handle a disagreement), but you have no right to disrespect anyone either. Otherwise, expect nothing better in return from those whom you disrespect this way. Remember that you're only ruining your own mind, not anyone else's, with your insecurities, as shown in your personal abuses and threats. I mean, SERIOUSLY?! You expect someone to say what you want them to say and like whom you WANT them to like JUST so you don't go to their house and beat them up? LOL. C'mon, bro, that's too childish and immature, and I was thinking that we have a more mature crowd here, man.

Peace! And don't expect me to waste a milli-second more of my time reading or replying to your posts if you keep your horrid language as your best friend and supporter and ignore all specks of reason accidentally blow your way. If you can't reply with reasons to negate what we're saying, don't bother replying it all; it makes your already-vacuous messages even more pointless and less worth a thought.

[Roshina]

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A person is not idiot if he has different views and knows how to support it. An idiot is the one who says immature things and acts in an immature way...clearly you do not know who the idiot is.

Yes! You said it better than I would

!!! YAY that was my 300th post!!!

Whooooa!! Congrats!!! I know how that feels :D (LOL!)

[Master Khan]

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Zakir Naik is a great men, he converted alot of people into islam.
The guy knows all the books by heart

[Dukemina]

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We are quick to find fault in others. Especially people who have such a passion for their culture and their people. Imagine a Pukhtun Zakir Naik, one who sets up a school in Afghanistan, one who holds conventions without pay, one who would go about his way to teach an Islam that many of us are not aware of, one who would leave his usual doctrate and dedicate his time for the people, one who makes us proud to be who we are. I doubt we would be so critical of every little thing he says or does. It's not time to "be proud of ONLY ourselves and OUR achievements," but to accept others achievements as well. How much longer will we be these stubborn, stuck-up, people who can not admit that atleast someone is doing something for his people. We may not have role models of our own right now just yet, but who said we can not applaud the acheivements of others and use it for our own acheivements?


"There are three kinds of intelligence: one kind understands things for itself, the other appreciates what others can understand, the third understands neither for itself nor through others. This first kind is excellent, the second good, and the third kind useless."
- Niccolo Machiavelli


Don't push the people to the third kind.

[pir_Rokhan]

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I can see and read very well whose convictions are based on intelligence and wisdom and whose faith can turn him into a dimwit.
So take it from me, girls and guys,when your love turns you into a violent beast ,it means it has just reached your mouth and has still to travel to your mind and heart.All loves based on irrationality are destined to wither away.

I urge those, who over reacted, to read my posts again in order to understand what I said.I aim at liberating those minds which are stuck in the worship of idols,even if the idol is a show man like zakir naik.

[king_zazai]

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I can see and read very well whose convictions are based on intelligence and wisdom and whose faith can turn him into a dimwit.
So take it from me, girls and guys,when your love turns you into a violent beast ,it means it has just reached your mouth and has still to travel to your mind and heart.All loves based on irrationality are destined to wither away.

I urge those, who over reacted, to read my posts again in order to understand what I said.I aim at liberating those minds which are stuck in the worship of idols,even if the idol is a show man like zakir naik.

u athiest ignorant fool....sum1 who does not eblive in the full taweed will c the fire in the after life if u believe in the after life...PPL dont listen 2this athiest he is just trying 2 put confusion in ur minds did not the prohet(saw) say do not ask 2 much questions concering deen well look at the result this is a guy who did that and look at him his astray now subahanallah allah truly knows best....PPL JUST FOLLOW TAWEED 4 WE R PASHTUN

[pir_Rokhan]

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[quote=king_zazai]

I can see and read very well whose convictions are based on intelligence and wisdom and whose faith can turn him into a dimwit.
So take it from me, girls and guys,when your love turns you into a violent beast ,it means it has just reached your mouth and has still to travel to your mind and heart.All loves based on irrationality are destined to wither away.

I urge those, who over reacted, to read my posts again in order to understand what I said.I aim at liberating those minds which are stuck in the worship of idols,even if the idol is a show man like zakir naik.

u athiest ignorant fool....sum1 who does not eblive in the full taweed will c the fire in the after life if u believe in the after life...PPL dont listen 2this athiest he is just trying 2 put confusion in ur minds did not the prohet(saw) say do not ask 2 much questions concering deen well look at the result this is a guy who did that and look at him his astray now subahanallah allah truly knows best....PPL JUST FOLLOW TAWEED 4 WE R PASHTUN[/quote:yc4sdsw0]

Alaka da khlay la day bargholay werka.Yaw pa se pohaigay hum na aw bal tarray gay hum.

Tell me what is Full Tawhid.? Let us learn it from you.

[pir_Rokhan]

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Thats the dilemma.Our people are very good at criticising but when they are asked okay tell us what do you think and convince us then they become quiet.What can you do with this type of behaiour? I am still waiting for his answer and would love to respond and question his definition and meaning in light of Quran, Sunnah, Arabic grammer and Scholastics.

[king-zazai]

Thats the dilemma.Our people are very good at criticising but when they are asked okay tell us what do you think and convince us then they become quiet.What can you do with this type of behaiour? I am still waiting for his answer and would love to respond and question his definition and meaning in light of Quran, Sunnah, Arabic grammer and Scholastics.

so u want me 2 define wat taweed is???? how old r u??? i need 2 no ur age cause that way i can explain better but if ur just a ignorant fool i dont want 2 waist my time on a hopeless casse who destine in hell......BUt since u r lost and is a lost case i will help u inshallah....so how old r u and tell me wat u no about taweed so far??? i will complete and correct da rest 4 u

[Laila]

so u want me 2 define wat taweed is???? how old r u??? i need 2 no ur age cause that way i can explain better but if ur just a ignorant fool i dont want 2 waist my time on a hopeless casse who destine in hell......BUt since u r lost and is a lost case i will help u inshallah....so how old r u and tell me wat u no about taweed so far??? i will complete and correct da rest 4 u

Come on now, is that really necessary??? He talked to you in a proper manner, the least you can do is reply back properly. Dude come on, this site is public and so far you are making yourself look like a fool, *10 year old* quit being immature, and i know you are better than that....so dont try to prove that you cannot hold a proper conversation.

oh and learn how to respect others.