Hazaras: Shi'as and Ismailis

[Shamaar]

I have always been curious how Hazaras became Shi'a and then some of them Ismaili (followers of the Aga Khan).

Many Hazaras have told me their ethnic group has no links to the Mongolians, but genetic research shows approximately two thirds of all male Hazaras possess "the Y-chromosome of Genghis Khan".

So, logically speaking, most of them would have come to Afghanistan after the Mongol invasions/migrations. If anyone has any information as to why or how these people became Shi'a and/or Ismaili, please do share.

[Dreamer]

errrr Missionary work????? lol.... besides its been estimated that a fair few of us worldwide carry the genghis khan gene as its known... he did rape his way across the world

[Feroza_Banu]

Hazaras see Iran as their Alliance .. i think they were heavily influenced by neighboring Iran (may be because of the language Farsi Iranians speak)... i am not sure 100% about the subject of why they chose Shia'sm... but one major factor could be that they were influenced by Iran...

and another factor that Pashtoons in afghanistan are Sunni madhab and there has always been a huge tension between Hazaras and pashtoons, and mainly they were opressed by pashtoons, hazaras would never accept a madhab that pashtoons (their opressor) accepted as their own

[Dreamer]

^ 5% of pashtuns are shia

[Dreamer]

Forced conversions of Safavids.

probably but then were most convesrions of that time not forced?

[Feroza_Banu]

^ 5% of pashtuns are shia

i am talking about Afghanistan, not KP

[Dreamer]

i am talking about Afghanistan, not KP

1 KP was historically a part of Afghanistan
2 those 5% of shia Pashtuns are to be found even in Afghanistan....

[Dreamer]

You should read about the history of safavids , about shah ismail and how

they persecuted sunnis in Iran and invited arabs to preach shiaism.

most ppl turned to shiaism as a consequence of Arab imperialism which had the mawali system in place

[Feroza_Banu]

1 KP was historically a part of Afghanistan
2 those 5% of shia Pashtuns are to be found even in Afghanistan....

1. i know
2. please provide proof.

[Michin Khel]

^ 5% of pashtuns are shia

I have read in a book that turis are not of pashtun origin, they have migrated from iran and are of qizalbash origin.

[Dreamer]

shias are to be found mainly in the Turi tribe and the Bangash tribe yet it also has adherents in the Orakzai tribe and the Pooplazai tribe... Pashtuns from these tribes can be found on both sides of the duraand line not 2 mentions people jumping ship from sunni 2 shia

[Dreamer]

I have read in a book that turis are not of pashtun origin, they have migrated from iran and are of qizalbash origin.

the shias in Peshawat are probably of qizalbash origin but th Turis are most likely a pashtun ppl... besides bangash also make up shia pashtuns

[Dreamer]

I heard the same about turis , the syeds of orakzai, they call themselves

sherazis proudly.

The turis of kurram supported brits to subdue the sunni pashtun tribes.
You cant find shias in other Pashtun tribes.

Not even Khattaks( just wondering about dreamer)

never heard of bangash shias?
also take in2 accound personal conversion... anyway look it up!

[Shamaar]

And what of Ismailism? I know that in the West there are tons of Ismaili Hazaras. They seem to have an easier time with immigration than their mainstream Shi'a counterparts.

[Dreamer]

And what of Ismailism? I know that in the West there are tons of Ismaili Hazaras. They seem to have an easier time with immigration than their mainstream Shi'a counterparts.

Ishmalies are devients who drink wine ... dance around and worship a man... again missionary work.... theres loads of them in chitral/gilgit areas