Islamic reaction to radical Muslims

[ozymandias]

I am talking about a shadow government within US and you bring up holocaust! and then you accuse me of 'changing scope and context'!

The evidence for the Holocaust is well established, and convincing, and many people like you deem it unconvincing -- yet you are willing to accept evidence as shoddy as this simply because it fits your preconceived biases. Was that clear enough for you?

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Rationally? I have presented you with references, people and documents while you just have piss-farted to dodge my arguments and the evidence that back them up, and you call this rational?

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See above.

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I have restrained myself from providing evidence from the work of Muslim researchers because you might think they are biased hence everything I say is backed up with references and literature from your own kind.


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I would be interested in seeing these references. When will you start presenting them?

I am not changing the scope or context of anything, infact I have categorically addressed all the issues that you have brought without ignoring any!

If you honestly believe that, I feel bad for you.

Good day, troll.

[Azmatullah]

^^ Akbarkhan is a respected member of this forum. How dare you refer to him as a troll. If anyone is a troll it's you.

[akbarkhan]

The evidence for the Holocaust is well established, and convincing, and many people like you deem it unconvincing -- yet you are willing to accept evidence as shoddy as this simply because it fits your preconceived biases. Was that clear enough for you?

Young boy, we weren't discussing the holocaust. You asked me why I referred to US as a 'mule'; I presented you with evidence indicating that White House is a proxy government hence it is a 'mule' in every sense of that word. But you won't understand that because "a truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic." So it's not my percieved biases, if that was the case you could and would have refuted my arguments with plausible responeses backed up with references.

With that said, if you want to discuss holocaust I am more than happy to do so.

I would be interested in seeing these references. When will you start presenting them?

Sift through my posts you will come across quotes, reference to books, documents, the opinion of widely recognized experts in the relevant fields.

Good day, troll.

ad hominem :-)

[akbarkhan]

^^ Akbarkhan is a respected member of this forum. How dare you refer to him as a troll. If anyone is a troll it's you.

A 5 letter word appearing on a LCD screen can't hurt lol, allow him to please his little soul. Meanwhile, enjoy this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gd1kqcNVHA

[Azmatullah]

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[ozymandias]

^^ Akbarkhan is a respected member of this forum. How dare you refer to him as a troll. If anyone is a troll it's you.

I call him a troll for his trollish behavior, such as refusing to carry on a civilized discussion, and his insistence, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, that he is being biased. His inability to remain on any one topic, and instead jumping around and redefining the conversation every time he is called out for a particular comment does not help his case.

If he wishes to carry on an adult conversation, I revoke my comment, but if he would rather continue to make intellectually dishonest, deliberately inflammatory comments, and refuse to defend or retract them it stands.

Basically, I am tired of pointing out the flaws in his argument only for him to claim that the comment was *really* about some other random topic.

[ozymandias]

Respected Ozymandias,

Just like how your country responded with terrorism

I would have thought that this would have been mentioned *somewhere* in the international news, or on the internet.

Please show where the COUNTRY of the US is directly involved and approving of terrorism -- and that it is not just a case of you mis-using the term 'terrorism'. I'll even apologize.

(Yet they call it war on terror) Muslims feel the same when their religion is attacked by westerners.

You are allowed to feel that. You are just asked to react in a civilized manner.

[ozymandias]

ozy

there reaction is simple to me. Dont mess with their religion. If you do, they will get pissed off.

Anger does not require violence.

[ozymandias]

Ozymandias,

The US is the biggest terrorist nation on planet earth. Look at the amount of times it has been in war, look at what it has done in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The amount of innocent people it has called.

Again, I think we are using different definitions. Terrorism is the abject, callous or deliberate killing of civilians, either as a primary goal, or as an avoidable side-effect to a military operation.

Military operations, and the unavoidable collateral damage caused is not the same as terrorism.

How many Grooms have they killed? How many people have died as virgins because the Americans shot them on their wedding night?

And then they say "OMGGGG WE ARE SORRY MAYN"

And you get sad when Pashtuns grab a gun and try to kill every American they see on sight?

Yes, I do. I get sad when any innocent dies, but at times it is unavoidable, or the alternative could be worse.

War does not constitute terrorism -- and I not only support your right to go to war to defend your country, I fully advocate it. Terrorism, on the other hand, I despise and support in no circumstances.

[ozymandias]

I define Terrorism is killing of the innocent. Which the US has done. We even have eye-witnesses.

I do not deny innocents have died. I am simply unaware of and US sponsored state terrorism, using the typical definitions of terrorism.

Sangar made a beautiful thread in the world news section about Kandahar watch the video in it.



Again, You fail to understand this. Our reaction is based on cumulative negativity by the west.

I think you misunderstand. No matter how negative they are, they have the right to free speech, and the right to be safe from terrorism.

What do you think of the banning of the veil in France?

I think it is a poor attempt to cause integration through force, rather than education, and steps on their rights to practice religion in a potentially misguided attempt to free them from it.

[akbarkhan]

Military operations, and the unavoidable collateral damage caused is not the same as terrorism.

[ozymandias]

Ozy, our response to the west is stop messing with our religion.

And the wests response is 'we do not give in to threats' and increased defense of the activities threatened. One of these sides has the UN and universal human rights behind it.

[akbarkhan]

And the wests response is 'we do not give in to threats' and increased defense of the activities threatened. One of these sides has the UN and universal human rights behind it.

And the other has Allah swt on their side.

[ozymandias]

And the other has Allah swt on their side.

Then you should not need to resort to violence, then, right?

[akbarkhan]

Then you should not need to resort to violence, then, right?

Like America does?