Purification of the Soul without the Modern heresy of Sufi innovators

[Khan Gul]

you call people grave worshippers without actually knowing they did grave worship, so it may make you a kafir.

Brother, I don't know where you live but my visits to Punjab, Maulana Rum's tomb in Istanbul, Turkey and Masjid Hussain, Egypt and the grave-worshiping I saw there made me reflect the Islamic prohibition against constructing permanent tombs is a very wise one, for either they may be made into places which are accorded a completely un-Islamic exaggerated respect and reverence by the ignorant, or they can be mocked at and used by vested interests to manipulate people's attitudes, as Syed Ali Hujwiri tomb or Mavlana Rumi's tomb were obviously being used. These were people whose hearts Allah had kindled with the light of Islam and who had a great impact in spreading Islam in early times but whose graves were now transformed into a mockery against their mission.

[Catya Sher]

One little correction: Konya, not Istanbul, is where the tomb is of

Mevlana Celalettin as it would be spelled in Turkish I believe.

We all must remember on his birthday today that Afghans, Turks, Iranians all claim him as their own historical and spiritual figure. In fact, all three have legitimate claims since he was born in Balkh, lived his entire adult life in Anatolia, under the brilliant Seljuk Turkish dynasty's rule, AND wrote in Persian language. Of course, many in what is today's Central Asia also read his works.

[Haneef]

Brother, I don't know where you live but my visits to Punjab, Maulana Rum's tomb in Istanbul, Turkey and Masjid Hussain, Egypt and the grave-worshiping I saw there made me reflect the Islamic prohibition against constructing permanent tombs is a very wise one, for either they may be made into places which are accorded a completely un-Islamic exaggerated respect and reverence by the ignorant, or they can be mocked at and used by vested interests to manipulate people's attitudes, as Syed Ali Hujwiri tomb or Mavlana Rumi's tomb were obviously being used. These were people whose hearts Allah had kindled with the light of Islam and who had a great impact in spreading Islam in early times but whose graves were now transformed into a mockery against their mission.

how do you know they were worshipping the grave? Did you look inside their heart or did you ask them? or were they simply praying at a grave site? Assumption is mother of all screw ups.

[Khan Gul]

One little correction: Konya, not Istanbul, is where the tomb is of

Mevlana Celalettin as it would be spelled in Turkish I believe.

Thank you for the correction. Have carelessly bungled the tomb of Abu Ayyub Ansari with Maulana Jalal-ud-Din Rumi.

[Khan Gul]

how do you know they were worshipping the grave? Did you look inside their heart or did you ask them? or were they simply praying at a grave site? Assumption is mother of all screw ups.

Ok, ok, I give up! lol

By the way, spare a moment to watch this:

YouTube - Tahir ul Qadri ko Sajda.MUST MUST SEE THIS MADOOD`S VIDIO

[Mujib]

Ok, ok, I give up! lol

By the way, spare a moment to watch this:

What does that video have to do with the discussion on graves? The video, by the way, has been discussed in length here before, and there are several videos in response to it on YouTube. Spare a moment to watch them.

Alhamdulillah you mentioned the noble companion Sayyidina Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (ra). It is reported that Sayyidina Abu Ayyub Ansari (ra) was seen placing his face on the blessed grave. Shaykh Gibril Haddad cites the hadith:

Dawud ibn Salih said: "[The governor of Madina] Marwan [ibn al-Hakam] one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet. He said: "Do you know what you are doing?" When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari. The latter said: "Yes; I came to the Prophet, not to a stone." Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Ahmad (5:422), Al-Tabarani in his Mu`jam al-Kabir (4:189) and his Awsat according to Haythami in al-Zawa'id (5:245 and 5:441 #5845 Book of Hajj, "Section on the honoring of the dwellers of Madina, chapter on placing one's face against the grave of our Master the Prophet [Allah bless him and give him peace]" and #9252 Book of Khilafa, "Chapter on the leadership of those unworthy of it"), al-Hakim in his Mustadrak (4:515); both the latter and al-Dhahabi said it was sahih. It is also cited by al-Subki in Shifa' al-siqam (p. 126) and Ibn Taymiyya in al-Muntaqa (2:261f.). (Tomb Structures, Visits, and Vows)

Touching a grave, kissing it, or placing one's head/face on it is not worship of the grave. These acts may be inappropriate but they are certainly not shirk.

[Haneef]

It's good You admit ur mistake khangul

[Khan Gul]

The video is relevant in a way that Tahir-ul-Qadri is the loyal supporter of Sufism and a stout advocator and leader of people who flock to the tombs of peers, shaykhs and walis. With sterling honesty tell me that by misleading the ignorant masses if he is doing service to Islam?

If your answer is in the affirmative then I will conclude that you know so much that no man can tell you anything. Indeed, no man is going to give it a try, for the effort would lead only to discomfort. So you are not likely to know any more than you do now, which is very little.

[eccentric]

I didn't read that big topic. I think I feel great after HUZU and NAMAZ. Don't need more Purification .

[Zayam]

you call people grave worshippers without actually knowing they did grave worship, so it may make you a kafir.

I have often wondered about this. For example before I converted to Islam, I was a practicing Christian. One place where I found many stirrings in my heart was in Assisi, Italia. Saint Francis as well as Santa Chiria lived a life more holy than so many other people or their or our time. So I traveled to their birth town. I never felt that I was worshiping their graves, or them, but being in the place where they grew up, walking the paths that they walked and reading the poetry that they wrote, helped me in my own spirituality.

Certainly some people may go to graves of dead religious people looking for answers or hope. I think that only Allah can look into our hearts and know who is a true searcher and who is trying to put a mere human, whoever special he may be in place of Allah.

Judgment is something we humans often do, but are we really qualified to do so?

[unknownprince]

i love the night of layatul qadr when everyone is crying for all the sins they committed. Only time I actually like people haha