Questions at wahabis and deobandis

[Shehbaz Khan]

Okay let me ask you a question? Do you consider the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to be "dead"? If so, please give me the the translation of the following:
"Ashadu anna Muhammadan (SAW) Rasool Allah".
And I will give you your answer.

And I believe that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the Messenger of Allah..


That means that this is still his time .. He SAW is dead, he is no more in this world can't you just figure it out .. ? If he is not dead than Why Siddiqu-e-Akbar RA said 'That those who worshipped the Prophet SAW should know that He SAW is dead and those who worship Allah swt must know that He is and He will remain forever


Once a man asked a Maulana .. Can the dead ones listen?
The Maulana Replied .. Do you have any work with the dead ones? If it's urgent we will find a way?
And than he said .. 'Aahh .. 35 saal say zindO'n kay qabristan mein azan day raha hun aaj tak zindo nay nahe suni to murday kya khaak sunengay'


Think About it


Fe-Aman-Allah

[Dreamer]

Physical death must overtake all... its stupid to say otherwise

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Ok Can you tell me one thing

IF a person is dead can I ask for him for help, for granting me kids, for granting me money and for solving my problems?

The following verse of the Holy Quran proves that one can also seek the assistance of the Awliya Allah: Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). (SUrah Maidah :55)

This verse refers to the Helpers as "those Muslims" who are in reality the "Awliya".

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has stated, "There are certain of Allah's servants that have been set aside to fulfil the necessities of the people. People will call to them in their times of need. They are protected from the punishment of Almighty Allah".(Jame Saghir)

This Hadith Shareef clearly proves that one may call the Awliya Allah for assistance. There are many many more Hadiths regarding the topic , but due to short time I have now I will post them later,InshAllah

[Pakhtun_Policy]

And I believe that Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the Messenger of Allah..


That means that this is still his time .. He SAW is dead, he is no more in this world can't you just figure it out .. ? If he is not dead than Why Siddiqu-e-Akbar RA said 'That those who worshipped the Prophet SAW should know that He SAW is dead and those who worship Allah swt must know that He is and He will remain forever


Once a man asked a Maulana .. Can the dead ones listen?
The Maulana Replied .. Do you have any work with the dead ones? If it's urgent we will find a way?
And than he said .. 'Aahh .. 35 saal say zindO'n kay qabristan mein azan day raha hun aaj tak zindo nay nahe suni to murday kya khaak sunengay'


Think About it


Fe-Aman-Allah

You bette rchekc your Iman .How can you say that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is dead when Allah says :

"And say not of those who are slain in the Way of Allah 'They are dead'. Nay, they are living, though you perceive it not". (al-Baqarah: 154)

“ Think not of those who are slain in Allah's Way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the Presence of their Lord". (al-Ale' Imraan: 169)


Did you know that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) traveled from this dunya due to poison given to him by a jew lady.Thus making him(pbuh) a Shaheed and Shaheed are ALIVE.

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713)



Further on the Prophet (pbuh) said that :

“The Prophets are alive in their graves and they pray.” (Narrated by al-Bazzaar; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2790).

“On the night of Miraj I passed Prophet Musa’s grave. He was standing in his grave and offering Salat” (Muslim,chapter “Fadhail Musa”)


Now if the Prophet Mohamad (pbuh) himself is saying that Prophets are ALIVE , who are you to say that they are dead? You are going against the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) , hence you must check your Iman again (if you have any Iman left after uttering such kufr that you have uttered.)



Even Ibn Taymiyah said “A group of people heard the answer of their salaam. And in the days of Harrah, Said Ibn Al-Musayyib heard the voice of our Prophet saying the Adhan, from his grave. And there are more events like these and they are all true” (Ibn Taymiyah, Iqtidah Siratul-Mustakeen, Page 373

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

And I believe that Prophet Muhammad PBUH IS the Messenger of Allah..

If the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is dead, why do you still say He (SAW) IS your Prophet. Again, I am stressing on "IS", He (SAW) IS, not that He (SAW) WAS. If He (SAW) was dead, as you say, then why don't you say "And I believe that Prophet Muhammad PBUH WAS the Messenger of Allah"?
Why don't you change your kalima accordingly then? You can't, because you will go out of the circle of Islam.


As long as the Prophet(SAW) IS (present tense), you shouldn't have a problem making Him(SAW) an intercessor for help (i.e. tawassul).
Also, the Prophet (SAW) is SHAHEED, and as Pakhtun_policy pointed out, Shaheeds do not die my dear. This only is sufficient to nullify your argument.

PS: BTW, it's funny how you believe that Shaytan is everywhere, but not the Messenger (SAW) of Allah. If only people would use THEIR minds, instead of looking at what some hazrat sheikh mufti has to say.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

The point is you and your type of people have absolutely no concern for Islaam and only care to believe in the romance novels that your greedy Sufi saints wrote

Everything you've said has been proven to be a lie





Again, you should first wake up from your imaginary story you've made about the Mahdi in your mind. It's very rare to find an authentic report speaking about the Mahdi to the point that some scholars, like ibn Khaldun, had believed it was only a made up fictional character

And you've committed another grave blunder, you've added your parenthesis into the words of Rasoolullaah, meaning you've lied on the holy Prophet by adding in your corrupt interpretation

So you're one of the people that the Mahdi will fight against

May Allah silence you and guide you to become truthful

I am not surprised that you wrote what you wrote. This is the tactics of wahabis when they have been cornered .

Your stupidity amuses me when you say that Imam Mahdi is fictinaol character whereas Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) clearly has mentioned him in these SAHIH Hadiths:




Hadhrat Abdullah bin Mas'ood(RA) reports from the Prophet(SAW), who said:

The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs.
(Tirmidhi Sahih, Vol. 9, P. 74; Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 5, P. 207;
also narrated by Ali b. Abi Talib, Abu Sa'id, Umm Salma, Abu Hurayra)

The Prophet(SAW) said:

Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression.
(Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Vol. 1, P. 99)

Hadhrat Ali(RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAW) said:

Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initially was filled with oppression.
(Abu Dawood)

Ali b. Abi Talib(RA) has related a tradition from the Prophet(SAW) who informed him:

The promised Mahdi will be among my family. God will make the provisions for his emergence within a single night.
(Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519)

Hazrat Umme Salmah(RA), Prophet's wife, narrates that she heard the Prophet(SAW) say:

The promised Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the descendants of Fatima.
(Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 207; Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519)

Rasulullah(SAW) announced:

The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatima (the Prophet's daughter). (Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 2, Tradition No. 4086)

The Prophet(SAW) taught:

Al-Mahdi is one of us, the members of the household (Ahlul-Bayt).
(Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 2, Tradition No. 4085)

Abu Sa'id al-Khudari(RA) narrated that the Prophet(SAW) said:

Our Mahdi will have a broad forehead and a pointed (prominent) nose. He will fill the earth with justice as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will rule for seven years.
(Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, p. 208; Fusul al-muhimma, p. 275)

Hadhrat Umme Salmah(RA) narrates that Rasulullah(SAW) said:


After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madina) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah, certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him.

Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat.

(Abu Dawood)

It is reported from Abu Hurayra(RA) that the Prophet(SAW) said:

What will be your reaction when the son of Mary (Jesus) descends and your Imam is from among yourselves?
(Sahih Muslim, bab nuzul 'isa, Vol. 2; Sahih Bukhari, kitab bad' al-khalq wa nuzul 'isa, Vol. 4)

Now who is the liar now? You or me? Imam Mahdis existance if a fact within Islam.




Dont forget people are reading what I and you are discussing and the Pakhtuns on this forum have wakened up to the devilish fitna you wahabis/salafis/deobandis present . You can fool your self but not us . We are not so easily tricked.

[Dreamer]

he didnt deny imam mehdi... stop putting words in2 his mouth

[Pakhtun_Policy]

he didnt deny imam mehdi... stop putting words in2 his mouth

You are covering up for your wahabi buddy. If you read his post he clearly wrote:

"Again, you should first wake up from your imaginary story you've made about the Mahdi in your mind. It's very rare to find an authentic report speaking about the Mahdi to the point that some scholars, like ibn Khaldun, had believed it was only a made up fictional character"

By this he is clearly denying Imam Mahdi.

[Dreamer]

You are covering up for your wahabi buddy. If you read his post he clearly wrote:

"Again, you should first wake up from your imaginary story you've made about the Mahdi in your mind. It's very rare to find an authentic report speaking about the Mahdi to the point that some scholars, like ibn Khaldun, had believed it was only a made up fictional character"

By this he is clearly denying Imam Mahdi.

no He said that some scholars believe he was made up... he didnt say he himself subscribed to that.... he doesnt believe ur account of what u believe the mehdi will do namely slaughter him lol

[Pakhtun_Policy]

no He said that some scholars believe he was made up... he didnt say he himself subscribed to that.... he doesnt believe ur account of what u believe the mehdi will do namely slaughter him lol

He dont need to belive me .The Hadith is clear about what is going to happen to wahabis soon..

[Dreamer]

He dont need to belive me .The Hadith is clear about what is going to happen to wahabis soon..

funny but I didnt see the term wahabi in the hadith

[Pakhtun_Policy]

funny but I didnt see the term wahabi in the hadith

No, the term "wahabi" wasnt used ,but you didnt use your logic and brain. If you had used your logic and brain you would have understood immediately that its talks about wahabis because the Hadiths mentions:

"and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah"

Now who is related to Kabah in present day in Saudi Arabia? Its the Wahabis. They have a strong grip around the whole kingdom of Saudi Arabia.


Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456


Your buddy claimed that I put paranteces in the Hadith,I didnt .I copied it from another site just the way it is.If the paranteces are put into the Hadith its put there so dumb people like you and your wahabi buddy shall understand the picture what is beeing talked about. Explanation in given in the parentece.

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/home

[Dreamer]

No, the term "wahabi" wasnt used ,but you didnt use your logic and brain. If you had used your logic and brain you would have understood immediately that its talks about wahabis because the Hadiths mentions:

"and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah"

Now who is related to Kabah in present day in Saudi Arabia? Its the Wahabis. They have a strong grip around the whole kingdom of Saudi Arabia.


Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456


Your buddy claimed that I put paranteces in the Hadith,I didnt .I copied it from another site just the way it is.If the paranteces are put into the Hadith its put there so dumb people like you and your wahabi buddy shall understand the picture what is beeing talked about. Explanation in given in the parentece.

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/home

so its ur own desire thats led u to this conclusion.... typical of brelvies/st/ grave worshippers

[KhyberKhan]