Questions at wahabis and deobandis

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I have a question to you wahabis ( also called salafis / Ahle Hadith /Najdis ) and Doebandis( also called Tablighi Jamat).

You people spew out Takfir ( calling others for Kafir) and calling other for doing "bidda and shirk" .I ask you on wich ground do you label other muslims who dont follow your ideaologies for doing shirk and bidda when the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) took oath upon Allah that his Ummah will never do shirk. Read carefully:

The way how Prophet (Peace be upon him) looked at it




Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth) ”BY ALLAH! I AM NOT AFRAID THAT YOU WILL WORSHIP OTHERS ALONG WITH ALLAH AFTER MY DEATH, BUT I AM AFRAID THAT YOU WILL FIGHT WITH ONE ANOTHER FOR THE WORLDLY THINGS”

►Volume 2, Book 23, Number 428: (Sahih Bukhari)


Three Important points are to be noted from this hadith:


(A) This hadith itself proves that Prophet (Peace be upon him) has been granted “all” the keys to the treasures of the earth, the ironic thing is that this itself is shirk according to the extremists because they believe Prophet was an ordinary man who did not know of future. If you look carefully the hadith says that Prophet was watching his fount right from the earth, this proves the great Basarat (sight) of this mighty Prophet and If these claimants who say Prophet was just an ordinary man like us have any shame in them, then they should prove that they also see Jannah right from the earth.


(B) The Prophet (Peace be upon him) took an oath upon Allah, yes note again “OATH UPON ALLAH” and said that he is not afraid we will worship others along with Allah after his death, now these extremists are in actual claiming to know more than Prophet (Peace be upon him) who settled it once and for all by taking oath that we will not worship others along with Allah after his passing away.


(C) The Prophet (Peace be upon him) explained that We will fight with one another for “WORLDLY THINGS” ! So how does this fighting start? It starts by calling other Muslims as Kafir, tell us one Muslim on this earth who would like to be called as Kafir?


Narrated Usama bin Zaid: Allah's Apostle sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them. I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we took him over, he said, "La ilaha illal-Lah." On hearing that, the Ansari man stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear. When we returned, the Prophet came to know about that and he said, "O Usama! Did you kill him after he had said "La ilaha ilal-Lah?" I said, "But he said so only to save himself." The Prophet kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day.
►Volume 5, Book 59, Number 568: (Sahih Bukhari)

Subhan Allah this is an explicit proof that any Muslim who testifies by saying "La Ilaha Il Allah" cannot be declared as Mushrik, do the extremists (wahabis/deobandis) still claim to know more than Prophet (Peace be upon him), rather Quran itself?


So tell me you wahabis /deobandis. Are you people more knowledgable than the Holy prophet Mohammad(pbuh) calling us others for Kafirs yet you forget this great Hadith of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) that says:

Hudhaifa i.e. Ibn al Yaman (ra) said that the Prophet (saw) said: Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read the Qur'an so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind his back and will attack his neighbor with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet was asked - which of the two will be deserving of such an accusation? - The attacker or the attacked? The Prophet replied - the attacker (the one accusing the other of Shirk)

►Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Tahqiq Nasir Albani, Volume 001, Page No. 200, Hadith Number 81] Nasir Albani said: 'this hadith is hasan' also see [Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah - Albani Volume 007-A, Page No. 605, Hadith Number 3201] Click Here for Scanned Page (80)
►Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Volume No. 1, Page No. 282,
►Bukhari in his Tarikh ul Kabir, Volume No. 4, Page No. 301,
►Haythami in Majma Az Zawaid, where he declared its chain to be “Hassan”, Imam Ibn Kathir declared the Chain as “Jayyid (strong)” in his Tafsir al Quran al Azim, Volume No. 2, Page No. 266]


Imam Ibn Kathir (Rh) also recorded this hadith in his Tafsir under Surah Al-Araf.
ya`malu ar-rajulu bis-sunnati fa yuqaalu bida`tun.” - “when a man follows the Sunnah, it will be said of him, ‘Innovation.(bida)’”
It means the people will be acting according to the Sunnah of the Prophet and the others will tell them “bida`tun.” That was foretold 1400 years ago.

Today if you do anything according to the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) they tell you “bida`, bida`.” Are we seeing this or not?

SubhanAllah!


Now who is in the wrong you ( wahabis /deobandis) or the rest of the muslim world ( Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat , Sufis ) ?

[Dreamer]

said hadith was aimed at his companions not at muslims in general....

[Saif ul Haq]

Ahl al-Tasawwuf and Sufis see things that aren't there

The report is speaking about the Muslim Ummah as a whole, and not individuals. It's common sense, people who commit shirk aren't counted as part of the Muslim Ummah

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Ahl al-Tasawwuf and Sufis see things that aren't there

The report is speaking about the Muslim Ummah as a whole, and not individuals. It's common sense, people who commit shirk aren't counted as part of the Muslim Ummah

SubhanAllah, you wahabis make your own twisted interpretations. You even go against the word of Allah :


Allah T’ala said: And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them, in order that He may make clear to them what to fear (and avoid)- for Allah hath knowledge of all things.( Quran 9:115)


Bukhari relates from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (Allah be well pleased with him) "Ibn `Umar considered the Khawarij and the heretics as the worst beings in creation, and he said: They went to verses which were revealed about the disbelievers and applied them to the Believers.[Sahih Bukhari, Chapter of Killing the Khawarjites and Mulhideen, Volume No. 6, Page No. 2539]


This hadith is very important and it exposes the evil nature of the extremist sect(wahabis /deobandis) like a bright sun. You will always see them misusing the Ayahs revealed for Kufaar and applying them upon Muslims, wait a minute “EVEN UPON THE PROPHET” yes I say again even “UPON THE PROPHET” so rest assured that their attribute is that of Khawarij who apparently looked and still look very religious, who recite Quran beautifully, who pray as If our prayers are inferior to theirs but in reality they pass through the religion just like an arrow passes through the target.


Quran states: O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!.. (4:94)

What a beautiful ayah, even when we go for Jihad and if someone offers us salutation then we are ordered not to call them disbelievers, but look at the extremists who call even Muslims as disbelievers let alone other.



SubhanAllah!

[Saif ul Haq]

I think you're actually from the Khawaarij, if you looked at their characteristics, it was them who pretended to be righteous and use to label people with names, and you fall into the exact description

So it's pretty clear Ahl al-Tasawwuf are from the Khawaarij

That being said, whatever evidence you try to bring, it's actually bites you back Alhumdulillaah

May Allah protect the Muslims from your kind

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I think you're actually from the Khawaarij, if you looked at their characteristics, it was them who pretended to be righteous and use to label people with names, and you fall into the exact description

So it's pretty clear Ahl al-Tasawwuf are from the Khawaarij

That being said, whatever evidence you try to bring, it's actually bites you back Alhumdulillaah

May Allah protect the Muslims from your kind

Is this the best your wahabi scholars have taught you to say when you can not defend your self with the batil aqida that you hold?

Majority of the Pakhtuns on this forum are onto you wahabis/deobandis false beliefs. You cant fool us any longer.

You are calling ma a Khawarij. Lets look what advice Sahabi Ibn Umar gave to people like me when people like you accuses me for beeing kafir:


From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar, from Nafi`: A man said to Ibn `Umar: "I have a neighbor who bears witness against me that I commit shirk." He replied: "Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar."[Imam Ibn Asakir in Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page No. 373]


O wahabi read carefully :


'La Ilaha ill Allah'


Thus I have prooved you to be liar!

[pukhtana]

My question is why are Wahabis so extreme?

[Shehbaz Khan]

Ok Can you tell me one thing

IF a person is dead can I ask for him for help, for granting me kids, for granting me money and for solving my problems?

[Dreamer]

the dead cant help themselves let alone the living

[Saif ul Haq]

Is this the best your wahabi scholars have taught you to say when you can not defend your self with the batil aqida that you hold?

Majority of the Pakhtuns on this forum are onto you wahabis/deobandis false beliefs. You cant fool us any longer.

You are calling ma a Khawarij. Lets look what advice Sahabi Ibn Umar gave to people like me when people like you accuses me for beeing kafir:


From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar, from Nafi`: A man said to Ibn `Umar: "I have a neighbor who bears witness against me that I commit shirk." He replied: "Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar."[Imam Ibn Asakir in Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page No. 373]


O wahabi read carefully :


'La Ilaha ill Allah'


Thus I have prooved you to be liar!

I'm very amused by your post

Fiirst of all the book is not "Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari" It's 'Taabi'een' and ibn 'Asakir himself said the report is weak!

And it makes no difference, you're still a Khariji, your hatred towards Muslims is quite apparent and that's sufficient enough proof of you being a Khariji

Look at the threads you've started and how you address the Muslims, and the fact that you totally abused the saying of Rasoolullaah and misapplied is further evident of you being a living Khariji! Since that's exactly what the Khawaarij did, they would use Islam and misapply it. So you're exactly like that

Also Allah continuously says "Those who believe and do righteous deeds"

For one to be a Muslim, you MUST do righteous deeds! Not say the Shahaadah and then negate it by practicing Tasawwuf

May Allah protect us from the Khawaarij like yourself and your Ahl al-Tasawwuf scholars

[Dreamer]

handbags down ladies lol

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I'm very amused by your post

Fiirst of all the book is not "Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari" It's 'Taabi'een' and ibn 'Asakir himself said the report is weak!

And it makes no difference, you're still a Khariji, your hatred towards Muslims is quite apparent and that's sufficient enough proof of you being a Khariji

Look at the threads you've started and how you address the Muslims, and the fact that you totally abused the saying of Rasoolullaah and misapplied is further evident of you being a living Khariji! Since that's exactly what the Khawaarij did, they would use Islam and misapply it. So you're exactly like that

Also Allah continuously says "Those who believe and do righteous deeds"

For one to be a Muslim, you MUST do righteous deeds! Not say the Shahaadah and then negate it by practicing Tasawwuf

May Allah protect us from the Khawaarij like yourself and your Ahl al-Tasawwuf scholars

Whenever you wahabis are cornered,your easy escape out of a discussion is to say : This or that Hadith is WEAK blah blah...

This aint enough.You are beeing prooven wrong time after time.Soon your time is up.Imam Mahdi and his armies will slaughter you.The end of wahabism is very near. Imam Al Mahdi and his army ( Pakhtuns) will slaughter them in such a way that history never ever has witnessed. Here is the Hadith proof:

The Largest Killing of Arabs (wahabis) in History by the Hand of Mahdi's Army,THE KILLING OF ARABS(wahabis) IS DUE TO THE ATTACK ON IMAM MAHDI

Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456


I guess this Hadith is also "Weak" according to you.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Ok Can you tell me one thing

IF a person is dead can I ask for him for help, for granting me kids, for granting me money and for solving my problems?

Okay let me ask you a question? Do you consider the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to be "dead"? If so, please give me the the translation of the following:
"Ashadu anna Muhammadan (SAW) Rasool Allah".
And I will give you your answer.

[Saif ul Haq]

Whenever you wahabis are cornered,your easy escape out of a discussion is to say : This or that Hadith is WEAK blah blah...

The point is you and your type of people have absolutely no concern for Islaam and only care to believe in the romance novels that your greedy Sufi saints wrote

Everything you've said has been proven to be a lie

This aint enough.You are beeing prooven wrong time after time.Soon your time is up.Imam Mahdi and his armies will slaughter you.The end of wahabism is very near. Imam Al Mahdi and his army ( Pakhtuns) will slaughter them in such a way that history never ever has witnessed. Here is the Hadith proof:

The Largest Killing of Arabs (wahabis) in History by the Hand of Mahdi's Army,THE KILLING OF ARABS(wahabis) IS DUE TO THE ATTACK ON IMAM MAHDI

Narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira(radi Allah Anho) from Hazrat Abu Qatada:
Dear Prophet (Salallaho alayahy wa sallam) said: People will be given allegiance (Beyat) to person (i.e Mahdi) between the Ruken(Hajr-e-Aswad) and Mukam(Mukam-e-Ebraheem) and no one else but the same people who are related to that place(citizens of Makkah) will destroy the respect of Kabah(as they will attack Mahdi in Kabah where fighting is forbidden) and when they will declare it Halal then do not ask about the killing of the ARABS(there will be a mass killing of arabs).Then Ethopians(Africans) will come and they will desolate it in such a way that it would never be a habitat and these will be the people who will take out its treasure.*3 *3 Refernce :Masnad Imam Ahmad 35/15. Also Mustadrik J5 Page 456

I guess this Hadith is also "Weak" according to you.

Again, you should first wake up from your imaginary story you've made about the Mahdi in your mind. It's very rare to find an authentic report speaking about the Mahdi to the point that some scholars, like ibn Khaldun, had believed it was only a made up fictional character

And you've committed another grave blunder, you've added your parenthesis into the words of Rasoolullaah, meaning you've lied on the holy Prophet by adding in your corrupt interpretation

So you're one of the people that the Mahdi will fight against

May Allah silence you and guide you to become truthful

[Son of Mountains]

There is difference between "eye" and "eyesight".

Eyesight works even when ur eyes are close when u go for sleeping