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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pakhtun_Policy View Post
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pakhtun_Policy View Post
      The whole Khutbah is on TASAWUF IN LIGHT OF QURAN AND HADITH.And solid proofs are given also ,so to deny the facts is to just fooling ones own self.
      It would be foolish to believe in tasawwuf in the first place as it has no mention in the Qur'aan and Sunnah

      As I previously said, people of Tasawwuf use Islaam in order to pass it on in a positive light while it has nothing to do with Islaam

      Whatever thikr or spirituality is mentioned, it's from Islaam and not Tasawwuf


      By the way if you deny Tasawwuf , you are also going against the belief of the 4 Imams of the 4 Mazhabs,as they themselves were all SUFIS practicing Tasawwuf. Lets have a look at what the 4 Imams and others have said about Tasawwuf in the books:
      One must note that it's highly impossible to even verify their actual statements

      And it makes no difference what the "4 Imaams" said to begin with, as they were not Prophets of Allaah and their statements are not considered as proof in Islaam.

      There were scholars far better then them who understood Islaam in a larger scale, yet neither of those scholars are had never even herd of Tasawwuf

      The only "4 Imaams" that have any significance in Islaam were Abu Bakr, Omar, Othmaan and 'Ali

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      • #18
        Further tactics people of Tasawwuf use is to claim things abotu Qur'aan and Sunnah, that are actually not there.

        Like Pakhtun Policy giving list of narrations having absolutely nothing to do with Tasawwuf

        I will give an example and show how dishonest the people of Tasawwuf are and their talk of "spirituality" is just for show and nothing beneficial to themselves nor anyone else who follows such beliefs InshAllaah

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        • #19
          I don't get why those who oppose Sufism are worried. It's not like Sufis are forcing people to convert to Sufism. There is no threat. So, why all the fuss? Let them be.

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          • #20
            Exactly, these people are obssessed with sufis and what others do. When i used to go to their circles, it was all about how everyone else is wrong and they are right, so much hate. The ahlal Sunnah wal jammah concentrate on learning the deen first!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Saif ul Haq View Post
              It would be foolish to believe in tasawwuf in the first place as it has no mention in the Qur'aan and Sunnah

              As I previously said, people of Tasawwuf use Islaam in order to pass it on in a positive light while it has nothing to do with Islaam

              Whatever thikr or spirituality is mentioned, it's from Islaam and not Tasawwuf


              One must note that it's highly impossible to even verify their actual statements

              And it makes no difference what the "4 Imaams" said to begin with, as they were not Prophets of Allaah and their statements are not considered as proof in Islaam.

              There were scholars far better then them who understood Islaam in a larger scale, yet neither of those scholars are had never even herd of Tasawwuf

              The only "4 Imaams" that have any significance in Islaam were Abu Bakr, Omar, Othmaan and 'Ali
              says who yoU? you just belittled the significance of the tabi`een..Tobah wakajha

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              • #22


                حدّثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي، ثنا عبد الصمد قال: ثنا حماد ، عن ثابت ، عن أنس قال: «كانت الحبشة يزفنون بين يدي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم ويرقصون ويقولون: محمد عبد صالح ، فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم: ما يقولون؟ قالوا: يقولون: محمد عبد صالح


                It is narrated by Anas (R.A) that the Habashis were present in front of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and “THEY WERE DANCING (Yarqasun)”
                and saying: Muhammadun Abdun Salih (i.e. Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم the righteous slave). The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) asked: What are they saying? They said: Muhammadun Abdun Salih
                ,
                [Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Volume No.3, Page no. 152]
                The first matter, there are different versions of this narration with dissimilar wording, and since the word ويرقصون was emphasized on, it's more convenient to discuss it

                The word italicized in red is mistranslated, either deliberately (meaning they are lying) or the person doesn't know what it means. I would hope it's the later and not the author being deceitful in order to manipulate the audience

                In different reports, the words "Yarqusoon" "Yazfinoon" and "Yal'aboon" are used, neither of the three mean dancing and this is affirmed by the most prolific Arabic grammarians and literature, one being 'Lisan al-Arab' by ibn Mazur. In volume 3, it says:

                قوله وهو شبيه بالرقص بعد قوله الزفن الرقص هكذا في الأصل

                وفي حديث فاطمة عليها السلام أنها كانت تزفن للحسن أي ترقصه وأصل الزفن اللعب والدفع ومنه حديث عائشة رضي الله عنها قدم وفد الحبشة فجعلوا يزفنون ويلعبون أي يرقصون

                This definition is affirmed by similar reports in the two Saheehs and neither of them mention dancing

                أن عائشة قالت لقد رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوما على باب حجرتي والحبشة يلعبون في المسجد ورسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يسترني بردائه أنظر إلى لعبهم

                The correct understand, along with translation, is the Ethiopians (Habashis) were actually playing sports in order to train for battle or in another report, they were re-acting a battle

                As we see, the people of Tasawwuf and their far-fetched interpretations try to justify their unholy ritual called Tasawwuf

                The rest will come inshAllaah...
                Last edited by Guest; 09-23-2010, 06:17 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dust View Post
                  I don't get why those who oppose Sufism are worried. It's not like Sufis are forcing people to convert to Sufism. There is no threat. So, why all the fuss? Let them be.
                  Sufism and Tasawwuf are two different beliefs

                  Anyone can be a Sufi, whether you're Kaafir, Mushrik, Atheist whatever, it makes no difference

                  Tasawwuf requires one to be a Muslim

                  And neither of the two are Islaamic beliefs

                  As a Muslim, it's my duty to protect the slander being spread in the cover of Islaam, it's a form of honor and respect, and of course you wouldn't like anyone to spread false rumors about you in the most horrific of ways

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                  • #24
                    Let us say that no one listens to you, are you going to kill them?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Saif ul Haq View Post
                      It would be foolish to believe in tasawwuf in the first place as it has no mention in the Qur'aan and Sunnah
                      Neither does `ilm al-jarh wa al-ta`dil, but it is one of the Islamic sciences. Or are the scholars of hadith "foolish" for learning and teaching it?
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Saif ul Haq View Post
                        The word italicized in red is mistranslated, either deliberately (meaning they are lying) or the person doesn't know what it means.
                        The word is yarqusun. Is the verb raqasa not from the root r-q-s? How would you say "they were dancing"?

                        Even if "dancing" is not the correct translation, it means they were playing with their spears inside the masjid while praising the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). That in itself is sufficient.

                        Dancing itself is permissible according to many scholars. And there are fatwas from all four schools (madhhabs) that permit the Sufi hadra (dhikr with rhythmic movement). Another hadith in support of it is mentioned by Imam al-Suyuti (ra) in his fatwa, cited by Shaykh Nuh Keller:
                        Imam Jalal al-Din Suyuti was asked for a fatwa or formal legal opinion concerning “a group of Sufis who had gathered for a session of dhikr,” and he replied:

                        How can one condemn making dhikr while standing, or standing while making dhikr, when Allah Most High says, “. . . those who invoke Allah standing, sitting, and upon their sides” (Koran 3:191). And ‘A'isha (Allah be well pleased with her) said, “The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) used to invoke Allah at all of his times” [Sahih Muslim, 1.282: 373]. And if dancing is added to this standing, it may not be condemned, as it is of the joy of spiritual vision and ecstasy, and the hadith exists [in many sources, such as Musnad al-Imam Ahmad, 1.108, with a sound (hasan) chain of transmission] that Ja‘far ibn Abi Talib danced in front of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) when the Prophet told him, “You resemble me in looks and in character,” dancing from the happiness he felt from being thus addressed, and the Prophet did not condemn him for doing so, this being a basis for the legal acceptability of the Sufis dancing from the joys of the ecstasies they experience (al-Hawi li al-fatawi. 2 vols. Cairo 1352/1933–34. Reprint. Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1403/1983, 2.234).

                        Now, Suyuti was a hadith master (hafiz, someone with over 100,000 hadiths by memory) and a recognized mujtahid Imam who authored hundreds of works in the shari‘a sciences, and his formal opinion, together with the previously cited ruling of Imam Nawawi in the Minhaj al-talibin, constitutes an authoritative legal text (nass) in the Shafi‘i school establishing that circles of dhikr which comprise the singing of spiritual poetry and dancing are neither offensive (makruh) nor unlawful (haram)—unless associated with other unlawful factors such as listening to musical instruments or the mixing of men and women—but rather are permissible. ("The Hadra and the Sacred Law")
                        Originally posted by Saif ul Haq View Post
                        As we see, the people of Tasawwuf and their far-fetched interpretations try to justify their unholy ritual called Tasawwuf
                        The hadra is not essential to Tasawwuf.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Haneef View Post
                          says who yoU? you just belittled the significance of the tabi`een..Tobah wakajha

                          Whose belittling the taabi'een and how?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mujib View Post
                            The word is yarqusun. Is the verb raqasa not from the root r-q-s? How would you say "they were dancing"?

                            Even if "dancing" is not the correct translation, it means they were playing with their spears inside the masjid while praising the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). That in itself is sufficient.
                            The hadeeth is to be understood with other narrations, and they all used different wording for the activity. They all clarified the what had taken place and it was not just dancing for fun, rather it was a form of sporting

                            They were not doing Thikr

                            Dancing itself is permissible according to many scholars.
                            Yes dancing is permissible as long as it's not provocative. We must follow what Allaah and Messenger of Allaah had permitted and allowed

                            Dancing is not Thikr nor is it permissible to dance while making Thikr


                            And there are fatwas from all four schools (madhhabs) that permit the Sufi hadra (dhikr with rhythmic movement). Another hadith in support of it is mentioned by Imam al-Suyuti (ra) in his fatwa, cited by Shaykh Nuh Keller:
                            Imam Jalal al-Din Suyuti was asked for a fatwa or formal legal opinion concerning “a group of Sufis who had gathered for a session of dhikr,” and he replied:

                            How can one condemn making dhikr while standing, or standing while making dhikr, when Allah Most High says, “. . . those who invoke Allah standing, sitting, and upon their sides” (Koran 3:191). And ‘A'isha (Allah be well pleased with her) said, “The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) used to invoke Allah at all of his times” [Sahih Muslim, 1.282: 373]. And if dancing is added to this standing, it may not be condemned, as it is of the joy of spiritual vision and ecstasy, and the hadith exists [in many sources, such as Musnad al-Imam Ahmad, 1.108, with a sound (hasan) chain of transmission] that Ja‘far ibn Abi Talib danced in front of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) when the Prophet told him, “You resemble me in looks and in character,” dancing from the happiness he felt from being thus addressed, and the Prophet did not condemn him for doing so, this being a basis for the legal acceptability of the Sufis dancing from the joys of the ecstasies they experience (al-Hawi li al-fatawi. 2 vols. Cairo 1352/1933–34. Reprint. Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1403/1983, 2.234).


                            Standing while doing Thikr is not dancing while doing Thikr

                            This is what I mean people try to convey something that's not there

                            Ibn Hajr even mentions wheat I had said earlier in his "Fath al-Baari' under 'al-Kitaab al-Manaaqtib'

                            وَاسْتَدَلَّ قَوْم مِنْ الصُّوفِيَّة بِحَدِيثِ الْبَاب عَلَى جَوَاز الرَّقْص وَسَمَاع آلَات الْمَلَاهِي ، وَطَعَنَ فِيهِ الْجُمْهُور بِاخْتِلَافِ الْمَقْصِدَيْنِ ، فَإِنَّ لَعِب الْحَبَشَة بِحِرَابِهِمْ كَانَ لِلتَّمْرِينِ عَلَى الْحَرْب فَلَا يُحْتَجّ بِهِ لِلرَّقْصِ فِي اللَّهْو ، وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ .

                            "A group of Sufis used the hadeeth of this chapter as evidence for the permissibility of dancing and listening to musical instruments. And the Majority of scholars doubted it by the difference in what was intended by each of them; For the play of Ethiopians with their spears was for training for war, so it is not be used as evidence for dancing in amusement\play."

                            Now, Suyuti was a hadith master (hafiz, someone with over 100,000 hadiths by memory) and a recognized mujtahid Imam who authored hundreds of works in the shari‘a sciences, and his formal opinion, together with the previously cited ruling of Imam Nawawi in the Minhaj al-talibin, constitutes an authoritative legal text (nass) in the Shafi‘i school establishing that circles of dhikr which comprise the singing of spiritual poetry and dancing are neither offensive (makruh) nor unlawful (haram)—unless associated with other unlawful factors such as listening to musical instruments or the mixing of men and women—but rather are permissible. ("The Hadra and the Sacred Law")
                            What constitutes as legal text in Islaam are the Qur'an and authentic ahadeeth

                            There should be no concerns about what school holds what opinion as their opinions aren't considered Islaamic law

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mujib View Post
                              Neither does `ilm al-jarh wa al-ta`dil, but it is one of the Islamic sciences. Or are the scholars of hadith "foolish" for learning and teaching it?
                              Pick up any basic book on al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel and they give you the evidences

                              I'm surprised you would even bring this up as it's essential in Islaam to verify things!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Pakhtun_Policy View Post

                                Hadith # 2


                                ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib(ra) states:

                                حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏أَسْوَدُ يَعْنِي ابْنَ عَامِرٍ ‏ ‏أَنْبَأَنَا ‏ ‏إِسْرَائِيلُ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏هَانِئِ بْنِ هَانِئٍ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏عَلِيٍّ ‏ ‏رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏أَتَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏وَجَعْفَرٌ ‏ ‏وَزَيْدٌ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏ ‏فَقَالَ ‏ ‏لِزَيْدٍ ‏ ‏أَنْتَ ‏ ‏ مَوْلَايَ ‏ ‏ فَحَجَلَ ‏ ‏قَالَ وَقَالَ ‏ ‏لِجَعْفَرٍ ‏ ‏أَنْتَ أَشْبَهْتَ خَلْقِي وَخُلُقِي قَالَ ‏ ‏ فَحَجَلَ ‏ ‏وَرَاءَ ‏ ‏زَيْدٍ ‏ ‏قَالَ وَقَالَ لِي أَنْتَ مِنِّي وَأَنَا مِنْكَ قَالَ ‏ ‏ فَحَجَلْتُ ‏ ‏وَرَاءَ ‏ ‏جَعْفَرٍ

                                Aswad narrated to us that Isra’il informed us from Abi Is-haaq from Haani ibn Haani’ from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib that he said, “I visited the Prophet (Sallallahu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) with Ja’far [ibn Abī Tālib] and Zayd [ibn Harithah]. The Prophet (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) said to Zayd, “You are my freedman (mawlā’i), whereupon Zayd began to Hajala (hop on one leg- a type of dancing) around the Prophet (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam). The Prophet (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) then said to Ja’far: “You resemble me in my physical form and character” (Khalqī wa Khuluqī), whereupon Ja’far began to do the same behind Zayd. The Nabi (Sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa Sallam) then said to me, “You are a part of me and I am a part of you” (anta minnī wa anā mink) whereupon I began to do the same behind Ja’far.”
                                Similar to the first narration, this by no means, or even close, to proving Tasawwuf

                                What's being emphasized here are the actions of Zayd and Ja'far

                                There's absolutely no mention of them "hoping on one leg", the report says he was hopping

                                It's similar as saying "I jumped for joy"

                                And this by no means validate Thikr while dancing as they both were NOT doing Thikr

                                Jumping for joy, or doing what Zayd and Ja'afar did due to the praise of Rasoolullaah, is not Thikr!

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