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  • #16
    Originally posted by Shadow Caster
    Pakhtun_policy , are you a shia?
    Shadow Caster,

    the Shiites reveal themselves without you having to ask them. Trust your instinct bro!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pakhtun_Policy View Post
      SubhanAllah, you wahabis make fun out of your self. Look clearly at the map. Tell me is Iraq in the EAST of Madinah or is it in the NORTH of Madina?









      Well the map doesnt lie. Truth is that Iraq is in NORTH and NAJD is in EAST,therefore its not Iraq that is mentioned in the Hadith:

      Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood by the door (of the apartment of) gafsa and, pointing towards the east, he said: The turmoil would appear from this side, viz. where the horns of Satan would appear, and he uttered these words twice or thrice and Ubaidullah b. Sa'ld in his narration said. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had been standing by the door of 'A'isha. (Sahih Muslim, 41: 6939)

      Salim b. Abdullah reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), while turning his face towards the east, said: The turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil would appear from this side; verily, the turmoil. would appear from this side-the side where appear the horns of Satan.(Sahih Muslim, 41:6940)

      Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan." (Sahib Bukhari, 88:214)

      It can be deduced from the above Hadith that Najd is neither blessed nor a good place but one of Fitna and Evil. Najd has been deprived of the prayers of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and therefore Najd has the seal of misery and misfortune and hoping for any good from there is going against the Will of Allah.

      NOTE: NAJD IS THE CENTRAL EASTERN PART OF ARABIA LYING EXACTLY TO THE EAST OF HEJAZ OR MEDINA, PRESENTLY CALLED AS RIYADH HAIL , BURRAYDAH THE CAPITAL OF HYPOCRITES WAHHABIS AND SALAFIS ,THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE GREAT DEVILS AND FITNAH IBN ABDUL WAHHAB AND THE PRESENT WAHHABI SALAFI SAUD DYNASTY

      Now days the fitnah from Najd the Wahhabi/Salafi are trying to Hide themselves by often Quating the below hadiths falsely making

      mockery and joke of Common Muslims and thier minds by claming NAJD IS IRAQ ?

      So lets us examine thier shameful claims and clear any confusion that NAJD IN SAUDI ARABIA IS IRAQ ?

      Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, supplicated and said, “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen.” A person from amongst the people said, “O
      Prophet of Allaah and Iraaq?” He said, “indeed there is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed
      harshness/coarseness is in the east.“

      The hadeeth of ibn Abbaas reported by at-Tabaraanee in ‘al-Kabeer







      Now days the fitnah from Najd the Wahhabi/Salafi are trying to Hide themselves by often Quating the above hadiths

      SO LETS US CLARIFY THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL – THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD (s) AND SAHABA OR COMPANIONS WHERE NOT SO
      IGNORANT TO MAKE MOCKERY OF THEMSELVES BY CALLING NAJD IN SAUDI ARABIA AS IRAQ !!!???

      what these Hypocrites fail to realize that in the above hadith Salim b.Abdullah Ibn Umar(r) was adressing the Kufa Hypocrites of Iraq who fought Against Imam Husaain (r) and Mayterd him, the Khawrij came from NAJD ( Central Part of Arabia which lies East to Hejaz or Medina) , but later made Iraq thier base to wage
      the evil war against Hadrat Ali (r) and Hadrat Muwaih (r)and so they brought thier Fitnah from Najd in Saudi Arabia to Iraq as well Moreover Salim b.Abdullah Ibn Umar was fully aware that Najd in Saudi Arabia is the Original Place of Fitnah as the Najd Hadith was Narrated by his own Father Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) that is why in the above Hadith of Sahi Muslim he clearly says that his father Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) Fitnah will come from EAST (NAJD) INSTEAD OF IRAQ while adressing the Hypocrite Kufans of Iraq who participated in the Mytrdoom of ImamHussain (ra), if by any mistake he would have thought that the fitnah will come from Iraq he would have plainy said that the original Fitnah would come from Here (Iraq) instead of adressing that fitnah would come from a diffrent place than Iraq that is EAST (NAJD) Salim b. ‘Abdullah b. ‘Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father ‘Abdullah b. ‘Umar, narrating that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the EAST( Najd) : Verily. the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another



      I think I have made my point ad prooved beyond doubt that Iraq is NOT najd.


      Are you blind? Didn't you read what I say?

      Check out Ibn Hajar al Asqalani's tafseer of the hadeeth of najd. And what about the hadeeth praising the virtues of Banu Tameem?

      Talking about making fun of yourself. LOL
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      • #18
        Shiias began the fitnah, not Sunnis!!! And Sayyidina Ali (ra), Sayyidina Husain(ra), and his sons were Sunni Muslims, not Shiite.

        btw, I found out that Zalmay Khalilzad is Shia Pashtun ( I was not suprised- a big sell-out)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
          Grow up. This is not a silly childish game.

          Can you bring evidence from Ibn Hajar al Asqalani's own writings where you can prove that he was in fact an Ash'ari?

          And even if he was an Ash'ari, does that mean that his tafseer of hadeeth of najd is somehow not valid as evidence against the slangers of the jahmite Sufis?
          You are lost buddy. "prove he is one"..then "even if he was"...what you fail to realize is that the overwhelming majority of the Ulama were Ashari/Maturidi by creed, and to you and your wahabi views, you consider them heretics. so its OK for you to accept his view on hadith when you think his belief is wrong? HAHAHAH...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
            Are you blind? Didn't you read what I say?

            Check out Ibn Hajar al Asqalani's tafseer of the hadeeth of najd. And what about the hadeeth praising the virtues of Banu Tameem?

            Talking about making fun of yourself. LOL
            You are the one who is blind because look where Iraq is situated on the map. Its in NORTH.

            And to further proove to you that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spoke of NAJD and not Iraq he even appointed different Miqat points for the different location thus proving beyond doubt that it was NAJD he spoke of in his Hadith where the fitna will come from and not Iraq.The words of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) are truthful more than anyone elses words:


            Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims during Hajj which proves 100% fool proof that Prophet Muhammad (saw) clearly knew and diffrentiated Najd in Saudi Arabia from Iraq.

            In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’

            Hadith Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22)


            HADITH

            Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa – while on the other road it is al-Juhfa – for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’


            KITAB AL-HAJJ


            THE BOOK OF Pilgrimage

            Chapter 2:THE PLACE WHERE THE PILGRIMS ENTER UPON THE STATE OF IHRAM Book 7, Hadith Number 2666:
            Abu Zubair heard Jabir b.’Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon he) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu’l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i.e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-’Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.

            Sahi Muslim Book 7, Hadith Number 2666:

            These Hadiths constitute unarguable proof that the Prophet (s.w.s.) distinguished between Najd and Iraq, so much so that he appointed two SEPARATE miqat points for the inhabitants of each. For Prophet Muhammad (s.w.s.), clearly, Najd did not include Iraq.

            One can only laugh at the Hypocrisy and Evil disguises of these Wahhabis/Salafis trying to hide their Najdi origin of Wahhabism AKA

            Salafism Instead of leaving this fitnah aqeeda from Najd they want to disporove the Sahi Hadith of Najd in reality these hypocrites are trying to disprove Prophet Muhamad(saw) knowledge about Geography of Arabia ? it can get more worse than this for these Wahhabi AKA Salafi Hypocrites

            CONCULSION ON NAJD IS IRAQ LIES OF WAHHABI / SALAFI :


            NAJD IS NAJD THE ANCIENT CENTRAL EASTERN REGION OF SAUDI ARABIA LYING TO THE EAST OF MEDINA

            AND

            IRAQ IS IRAQ

            (NEEDLESS TO SAY ONLY A RETARDED PERSON WOULD SAY NAJD IS IRAQ)

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            • #21
              Are you calling Ibn Hajar al Asqalani a retard?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Haneef View Post
                You are lost buddy. "prove he is one"..then "even if he was"...what you fail to realize is that the overwhelming majority of the Ulama were Ashari/Maturidi by creed, and to you and your wahabi views, you consider them heretics. so its OK for you to accept his view on hadith when you think his belief is wrong? HAHAHAH...
                the overwhelming majority of people around the world are not muslims. Does that mean anything?


                And where does it say in quran or hadeeth that when there is clear evidence we should reject that and follow the majority?

                Again, be a man for once and provide evidence from Ibn Hajar al Asqalani's books that he really was an Ash'ari
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                  Are you calling Ibn Hajar al Asqalani a retard?

                  Is this all you can come up with? Who needs Hajar Ibns Asqalani tafsir when the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) clearly differentiated between the MIQAT POINTS for NAJD and IRAQ. And on top of it the google map shows that Iraq is in NORTH,not in east. Therefore stick to reality and not the dream bubble you live in.

                  Whose word have more weight ,the Prophets (pbuh) or Hajir Ibn Asqalanis?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                    the overwhelming majority of people around the world are not muslims. Does that mean anything?


                    And where does it say in quran or hadeeth that when there is clear evidence we should reject that and follow the majority?

                    Again, be a man for once and provide evidence from Ibn Hajar al Asqalani's books that he really was an Ash'ari
                    I already showed you the hadith and you shut up and ran away, but if you must you can reply to that thread.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                      the overwhelming majority of people around the world are not muslims. Does that mean anything?


                      And where does it say in quran or hadeeth that when there is clear evidence we should reject that and follow the majority? i

                      Do you know how silly you wahabis sound calling the rest of the Ummah who is more than 1,2 billion people for "non muslims". You wahabis are not more than 70-80 million people around the world and you who are so little group claim that only you are muslims and the rest of the world is non muslims,how silly is that when the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) clearly said :

                      "Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah's mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell." (Tirmizi)
                      The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "He who deviates from the largest group of Muslims, even as much as a hand span, has himself cut off his connection with Islam". (Abu Dawud)


                      Now who is the non muslim now? You wahabis or us ? The Prophet (pbuh) has given judgement on the case.


                      If this wasnt enough let me bring it to your attention the following Hadith:


                      The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said:

                      "Seventy-two (of the 73 sects of the Muslim nation) will be in the fire, and only one will be in Paradise; it is the Jama'ah (i.e. Ahle Sunnah Wa Jamaah)." (Abi Dawud, Ad-Darimi, Ahmad)


                      Since you wahabis are not the largest group out there,you are cut from Islam. And since your wahabi group just emerged with Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahab 200 years ago prooves that you are a group wich never existed at the time of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and therefore you are wrong and one of the 72 sects that will go to hell. Also hence the teachings you are teachings are exactly what the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) warned us of in the following words:

                      "In the period prior to the Day of Judgement, false and deceitful groups will emerge. They will say things to you, which neither you nor your forefathers will have ever heard before. Stay away from these deceitful people and do not let them come near you! Do not be misguided by them and do not let them cause strife amongst you!" (Sahih Muslim)


                      You are teaching things that our forefathes never ever heard of . Alhumdolillah majority of Pakhtuns have accepted the words
                      of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and has taken the warning to our hearts.Therefore we will not fall into your trap of the false teachings you promote.

                      Another thing that should be a wakeup call to all you wahabis that you are in wrong are that you claim that all muslims that lived before the time of Mohammad Ibn AbdulWahab were wrong and kafirs .If that was the case why did Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) say:


                      “Surely, Allah will send for this Ummah at the advent of every one hundred years a person (or persons) who will renovate its religion for it.” [Sunan Abu Dawood]

                      The above hadith is classed as authentic by the Muhaddithun.


                      Do you understand what the following Hadith means? It means that evry hundred years from the time of Prophet Mohammad and onwards there will come a person who will revive the deen Islam into peoples hearts. It mean someone who will restore the original beliefs and practices after their being changed, distorted or forgotten.

                      Islam has been for about 14 centuries. For the past 14 hundred years there must have been more than 14 revivers of deen(mujaddids). This means clearly that the Islam everyone practiced before Mohammad Ibn Adbul Wahab was true Islam as the Prophet (pbuh) said there will be a person who revives deen. So if the deen is revived in every century before Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahabs birth, how can the muslims before Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahab be kafirs? Do you see how silly you wahabis are ? And the deen practiced that the Imams had were Tasawwuf practices ,you just have to loook at their books you will see that Tasawwuf is a predominant factor in the lives of early muslims .

                      So either way you look at it ,you wahabis are cornered.You have no escape route for your false belief and practices. Your end is soon to come.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post

                        And what about the hadeeth praising the virtues of Banu Tameem?

                        Now days the fitnah from Najd the Wahhabi/Salafi are trying to Hide themselves by often Quating the below hadiths falsely making mockery and joke of Common Muslims and thier minds by claming Banu Tamim the Tribe of Ibn Abdul Wahhab Njadi and Banu Hanifa the Tribe of Najdi Saud Kings was Praised by Prophet (saw) ?


                        So lets us examine thier shameful claims and clear any confusion that


                        Banu Tamim the Tribe of Ibn Abdul Wahhab Njadi and and Banu Hanifa the Tribe of Najdi Saud Kings

                        was EVER Praised by Prophet (saw) ?

                        THESE ARE THE AHADITH WHICH WAHHABI /SALAFI/AHLE HADITH QUATE TO MISLEAD THE MUSLIMS MAKING IT APPEAR THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD PRAISED THE BANU TAMIM AND BANU HANIFA TRIBES OF NAJD ?



                        Narrated byAbu Huraira

                        I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani Tamim ever since I heard, three things, Allah’s Apostle said about them. I heard him saying, “These people (of the tribe of Bani Tamim) would stand firm against Ad-Dajjal.” When the Sadaqat (gifts of charity) from that tribe came, Allah’s Apostle said, “These are the Sadaqat (i.e. charitable gifts) of our folk.” ‘Aisha had a slave-girl from that tribe, and the Prophet said to ‘Aisha, “Manumit her as she is a descendant of Ishmael (the Prophet).”

                        Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 3.719


                        Narrated by Ikramah

                        “do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal.”



                        Al-Haythamee says: “its narrators are those of the Saheeh.” [Mujma 10/48 chpt: What is reported concerning Bani Tameem]





                        NOW LET US READ ANOTHER SET OF AHADITH WHICH THE WAHHABI/SALAFI/AHLE-HADITH WILL NEVER SHOW THE MUSLIMS ABOUT HOW PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) HATED NAJD AND ITS TRIBES INCLUDING BANU TAMIM AND BANU HANIFA , IN FACT ALLAH HIMSELF HAS CALLED PEOPLE OF NAJD IN PATICULAR THE BANU TAMIM TRIBES BEUDIONS AS THE PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY SENSE AND THE WORST KIND OF HYPOCRITES IN THE QURAN ITSELF


                        a consideration of the abundant critical material on Banu Tamim and Banu Hanifa tribes from Najd demonstrates beyond any doubt that this tribe was regarded by the Messenger (s.w.s.) and by the Salaf as deeply problematic.



                        Hazrat Imraan, the son of Hazrat Haseen (Radiallhu Anhu):




                        that the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) disliked three tribes life long. (1) Banu Saqeef; (2) Banu Hanifa(a Najd Tribe ); (3) Banu Umayya.

                        Hadith (Tirmizi Shareef)


                        INTRESTING POINT TO NOTE

                        The royal family of Saudi Arabia, Al Saud, , trace their lineage to Banu Hanifa Tribe of Najd

                        No wonder Prophet(saw) never liked Najd and its tribe Banu Hanifa because he knew what great fitnah and muder of Muslims these

                        tribes of Najd will cause against Muslims




                        QURAN AND HADITH SPEAK AGAINST THE HYPOCRITES AND DEVILS OF NAJD SAUDI ARABIA



                        “The (Arab) bedouins are the worst in the disbelief and hypocrisy, and are more likely to be in ignorance of the limits which Allah has revealed to his messenger.”

                        Holy Quran Surah 9:90.


                        Najd in Saudi Arabia has traditionally been occupied by nomadic Bedouins


                        An early indication of the nature of the Tamimites is given by Allah himself in Sura al-Hujurat. In aya 4 of this sura, He says: ‘Those who call you from behind the chambers: most of them have no sense.’ The occasion for revelation (sabab al-nuzul) here was as follows:
                        ‘The “chambers” (hujurat) were places enclosed by walls. Each of the wives of Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) had one of them. The aya was revealed in connection with the delegation of the Banu Tamim who came to the Prophet (s.w.s.). They entered the mosque, and approached the chambers of his wives. They stood outside them and called: “Muhammad! Come out to us!” an action which expressed a good deal of harshness, crudeness and disrespect. Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) waited a while, and then came out to them. One of them, known as al-Aqra‘ ibn Habis, said: “Muhammad! To praise me is beautiful, and to criticise me is shameful!” And the Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “Woe betide you! That is the due of Allah.”’ (Imam Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Juzayy, al-Tashil [Beirut, 1403], p.702. See also the other tafsir works; also Ibn Hazm, Jamharat ansab al-‘Arab [Cairo, 1382], 208, in the chapter on Tamim.)




                        In addition to this Qur’anic critique, abundant hadiths also furnish the Umma with advice about this tribe. Since the tacit acceptance of the Prophet (s.w.s.) constitutes a hadith, we may begin with the following incident.

                        This relates to a famous poem by Hassan ibn Thabit (r.a.). The Tamimites were late converts to Islam, joining the religion, after

                        much resistance, only in the Year of Delegations (‘am al-wufud), which was the ninth year of the Hijra. They hence miss the virtue

                        of sabiqa, of precedence in Islam. Coming at last to the Prophet (s.w.s.), the Tamim insisted on a public debate against him, and

                        he appointed Hassan to reply to the Tamimites’ vain boasting about their tribe. Hassan’s ode, which completely defeated and

                        humiliated them by describing the low status of their tribe, can be considered evidence for the Prophet’s (s.w.s.) own view of

                        Tamim, since the condemnation was given in his presence, and there is no record of his criticising it. (Diwan Hassan ibn ThabitSira

                        [Beirut, 1966], p.440; for full details of the incident see Barquqi’s commentary in the same volume. See also Ibn Hisham, [Guillaume translation], p.631.)


                        On the authority of Imran ibn Husayn (r.a.): ‘A group of Tamimites came to the Prophet (s.w.s.), and he said: “O tribe of Tamim! Receive good news!” “You promise us good news, so give us something [money]!” they replied. And his face changed. Then some Yemenis came, and he said: “O people of Yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Tamim have not accepted it!” And they said: “We accept.” And the Prophet (s.w.s.) began to speak about the beginning of creation, and about the Throne.’

                        Hadith (Bukhari, Bad’ al-Khalq, 1.)



                        An attribute recurrently ascribed to the Tamimites in the hadith literature is that of misplaced zeal. They are associated with a fanatical form of piety that demands simple and rigid adherence, rather than understanding; and which frequently defies the established authorities of the religion.

                        Imam Muslim records a narration from Abdallah ibn Shaqiq which runs: ‘Ibn Abbas once preached to us after the asrsunna, you wretch?”’ Hadith (Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6.) prayer, until the sun set and the stars appeared, and people began to say: “The prayer! The prayer!” A man of the Banu Tamim came up to him and said, constantly and insistently: “The prayer! The prayer!” And Ibn Abbas replied: ” “Are you teaching me the sunna, you wretch?”’

                        Hadith (Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6.)



                        Perhaps the best-known of any hadith about a Tamimite, which again draws our attention to their misplaced zeal, is the hadith of Dhu’l-Khuwaysira:

                        Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri (r.a.) said: ‘We were once in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) while he was dividing the spoils of war. Dhu’l-

                        Khuwaysira, a man of the Tamim tribe, came up to him and said: “Messenger of Allah, be fair!” He replied: “Woe betide you! Who will be

                        fair if I am not? You are lost and disappointed if I am not fair!” And Umar (r.a.) said, “Messenger of Allah! Give me permission to deal

                        with him, so that I can cut off his head!” But he said: “Let him be. And he has companions. One of you would despise his prayer in their

                        company, and his fast in their company. They recite the Qur’an but it goes no further than their collarbones. They pass through religion as

                        an arrow passes through its target.”’ Abu Sa‘id continued: ‘I swear that I was present when Ali ibn Abi Talib fought against them. He

                        ordered that that man be sought out, and he was brought to us.’

                        Hadith (Bukhari, Manaqib, 25. For the ‘passing through’ see Abu’l-Abbas al-Mubarrad, al-Kamil, chapter on ‘Akhbar al-Khawarij’ published separately by Dar al-Fikr al-Hadith [Beirut n.d.], pp.23-4: ‘usually when this happens none of the target’s blood remains upon it’.)


                        There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:

                        Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [. . .] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [. . .] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [. . .] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [. . .] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [. . .] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’

                        Hadith cited in (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators.

                        Hadith also Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).

                        The Messenger (sws) says ‘You lie!’ to a man who praises Najd. Nowhere does he extol Najd – quite the contrary.

                        But in other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:

                        The best-known tribe of Central Arabia are the Banu Tamim of Najd . There are hadiths which praise virtually all of the major Arab tribal

                        groups, and to indicate the extent of this praise a few examples are listed here:

                        Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘O Allah, bless [the tribe of] Ahmas and its horses and its men sevenfold.’ (Ibn Hanbal, in Haythami, Majma X, 49. According to al-Haythami its narrators are all trustworthy.)

                        Ghalib b. Abjur said: ‘I mentioned Qays in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (s) and he said, “May Allah show His mercy to Qays.” He was asked, “O Messenger of God! Are you asking for His mercy for Qays?” and he replied, “Yes. He followed the religion of our father Ismail b. Ibrahim, Allah’s Friend. Qays! Salute our Yemen! Yemen! Salute our Qays! Qays are Allah’s cavalry upon the earth.”’ (Tabarani, declared sahih by al-Haythami, X, 49.)

                        Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘How excellent a people are Azd, sweet-mouthed, honouring their vows, and pure of heart!’ (Ibn Hanbal via a good (hasan) isnad, according to Haythami, X, 49.)

                        Anas b. Malik said: ‘If we are not from Azd, we are not from the human race.’ (Tirmidhi, Manaqib, 72; confirmed by Mubarakfuri, X, 439 as hasan gharib sahih.)

                        Abdallah ibn Mas‘ud said: ‘I witnessed Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) praying for this clan of Nakh‘.’ Or he said: ‘He praised them until I wished that I was one of them.’ (Ibn Hanbal, with a sound isnad. Haythami, X, 51.)

                        On the authority of Abdallah ibn Amr ibn al-As, who said: ‘I heard Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) saying: “This command [the Caliphate] shall be in Quraysh. No-one shall oppose them without being cast down on his face by Allah, for as long as they establish the religion.”’ (Bukhari, Manaqib, 2.)

                        The hadith which appears to praise Tamim is hence not exceptional, and can by no stretch of the imagination be employed to indicate

                        Tamim’s superiority over other tribes. In fact, out of this vast literature on the merits of the tribes, ONLY ONE significant account praises

                        Tamim.

                        Last edited by Guest; 09-26-2010, 08:54 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                          Shiias began the fitnah, not Sunnis!!! And Sayyidina Ali (ra), Sayyidina Husain(ra), and his sons were Sunni Muslims, not Shiite.

                          btw, I found out that Zalmay Khalilzad is Shia Pashtun ( I was not suprised- a big sell-out)
                          This BULL**** comment of yours made me laugh LMFAO.

                          Hazrat Ali (ALEHESALAM) was Sunni? BIGGEST JOKE OF THE CENTURY. So if He(AS) was Sunni, which madhab did he follow? Hanafi, shaafi, maliki, hanbali? Oh wait, these people weren't even born at that time, YOU IGNORAMUS, trying to fool us.
                          And it was your amir ul momineen moavia (LA) who rebelled against the righteous fourth Caliph of the time, Hazrat Ali(AS), and thus successfully creating fitna among muslims since then. Don't make me quote from Sahi Bukhari where it is shown that Moavia (LA) ordered his followers (i.e. your forefathers) to use abusive language against the fourth Caliph (AS) from minars (i.e. mosque). Next time get your facts straight before spewing BS; typical salafi, takfeeri mentality.
                          Last edited by Guest; 09-26-2010, 09:10 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                            Sufis and Shi'ites are like two faces on the same coin. In fact, the first Sufi was a Shi'ite.
                            So? What's your point? Alhamdolillah both are Muslims.

                            But check this out:

                            A salafi and a shaitan = two faces of one murtad person. Both are dushmanan e Allah and his Messenger (SAW) and His (SAW) Holy Family.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                              Shadow Caster,

                              the Shiites reveal themselves without you having to ask them. Trust your instinct bro!!
                              I am the only Shia Muslim on this forum, and you don't need to use your "instincts" because everybody knows that. But you on the other hand, you are a denying wahabi. Be brave enough to accept your religion (i.e. Wahabism, i don't consider it a sub sect of Islam anymore, I consider them murtads/non-muslims). I hope soon we have a bill in the parliament to declare all the Wahabis/Salafis as a separate religion. Any wahabi calling himself a muslim should be punished.

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