Rethinking Islamic Reform

[Maiwand]

It's like watching dumb and dumber the movie, only problem in this one is we can't really decided who is dumb as both of them out do each other in absurdity

Let's not even waste our time going through each segments of the video, the title itself is sufficient enough to dissect

"Rethinking Islamic Reform"

What's rethinking? Rethinking means to reconsider, or the act of changing ones mind

Reform implies to rectify or to improve what's unsatisfactory

Now we combine all this, it would mean "Act of changing ones mind about Islaam and improving what's unsatisfactory"

Now doesn't this clearly expose these Munafiqeen and what they're actually trying to do to Islaam?

I ask Allaah sincerely to guide these individuals to Islaam and to destroy their inner hatred towards our perfect Deen

Yes indeed. And the funny thing is that they are constantly contradicting themselves and each other. This will happen to people who deliberately want to distort the message of Islam and thereby appease and please the kuffaar. They are doing that for a very small material price and position, may Allah (swt) guide them and bring them back to the true religion, ameen.

[Wrayun]

It's like watching dumb and dumber the movie, only problem in this one is we can't really decided who is dumb as both of them out do each other in absurdity

Let's not even waste our time going through each segments of the video, the title itself is sufficient enough to dissect

"Rethinking Islamic Reform"

What's rethinking? Rethinking means to reconsider, or the act of changing ones mind

Reform implies to rectify or to improve what's unsatisfactory

Now we combine all this, it would mean "Act of changing ones mind about Islaam and improving what's unsatisfactory"

Now doesn't this clearly expose these Munafiqeen and what they're actually trying to do to Islaam?

I ask Allaah sincerely to guide these individuals to Islaam and to destroy their inner hatred towards our perfect Deen

Clever, but not so.

The titles says "Rethinking Islamic Reform" as in what does it mean to "reform" when it comes to Islam.

In other words, changing ones mind about what it means to "improve what's unsatisfactory" when it comes to Islam.

Not changing one minds about Islam, and improving what's unsatisfactory.



Good try though.

[Mujib]

Why would we embarrass ourselves by commenting on a video we have not seen? Three different individuals, who have obviously not watched the video, have commented and each time Wrayun, who obviously has watched the video, has had to correct them.

[Wrayun]

Why would we embarrass ourselves by commenting on a video we have not seen? Three different individuals, who have obviously not watched the video, have commented and each time Wrayun, who obviously has watched the video, has had to correct them.

Zealotry is blinding, strong, effective, but futile. I remember going through that phase. It led me to my irreligious years. When you are that much full of zeal, the eventual fall is that much hard. With zealotry everything crashes and burns. It doesn't matter if you are a religious zealot, a nationalist zealot, an atheist zealot. In the end it is self-defeating. No matter what you have to say, how true it might be, when your message is that forceful it burns through the senses.

[Saif ul Haq]

Clever, but not so.

The titles says "Rethinking Islamic Reform" as in what does it mean to "reform" when it comes to Islam.

In other words, changing ones mind about what it means to "improve what's unsatisfactory" when it comes to Islam.

Not changing one minds about Islam, and improving what's unsatisfactory.

Good try though.

Well you have two of the most ignorant enemies of Islaam discussing reform, it's obvious their version of reform is to change the Deen

And Hamza Yusuf himself admits he lectures about Islaam in a unrealistic manner as the truth is hard enough for people to swallow

All of these unnecessary lectures are only being done to appease the mushrikeen and their hatred towards Jihaad

[Saif ul Haq]

Rethinking Islamic Reform


Rethinking Islamic Reform


In the post 9/11 world, it has grown to be an axiomatic truth that Islam needs to reform. Whether it is Western policy-makers seeking to protect themselves from Muslim extremists, humanitarian activists fighting to liberate silenced Muslims, or Muslims themselves responding to new paradigms faced in the 21st century, all are agreed that something within the tradition of Islam needs to change. The question though, is what, and perhaps more pertinently, how?

The drive to reform has spurred many projects with diverging aims and often contradictory trajectories, yet the notion of reform itself, despite being one of the most oft-repeated, remains ill-defined. Indeed, some reform projects have been judged to be wholly inattentive, if not injurious, to the Muslim communities they claim to be serving. A 2010 House of Commons' Committee highlighted the sensitivity of the issue, reporting that much of the effort towards reform has resulted in 'stigmatising' and 'potentially alienating' the Muslim community.

Considering widespread readiness to support Islamic reform, effective management and guidance must be provided to ensure the success of this pursuit. Thus, at this decisive historical juncture, it is crucial that voices which command the intellectual respect and trust of the Muslim public are engaged. Our two esteemed guest speakers, Hamza Yusuf and Tariq Ramadan, provide precisely that: the leading figures in this field, both are active and sensitive contributors to Western political discourse whilst being able to authoritatively communicate mainstream Islamic opinions to Western audiences.

[Badlun]

The political system was first implemented, when the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) established the first Islamic state in Medina after the Hijra from Mecca. After he died, the four Khaliefs established the institutions of the Islamic state. The institution of the Khalifate existed untill 1924, when the Ottoman Khalifate was removed by the western powers, in collaboration with jews, free masons, nationalists, secularists, disbelievers, munafiqs like Atta Turk,

It means the killing of Umar, Usman, Ali, Hussein , the rule of Yazeed, the rule of Umayyads, Abassids, Mughals, Othmans etc was the political system of Islam.Cant you see all the evils attached to that rule.

Please have some intellectual mercy and accept the facts. These were all Arab rulers who were monorchs, dictators and murderers. Islamic political system does not exist, never existed and will never come to exist as Islam never means a political system.

The Prophet Muhamamd had a religious role as a prophet but an Arab leader who established the first state but not as a prophet but as an indivisual. Thats why that state was never followed by other Muslims or Arabs as every one had its own way of ruling the masses.