Islam as a religion or complete way of life

[Badlun]

Its a common perception that Islam is a complete way of life and has solution to all the problems of human life where in this world or the Hereafter.

I dont believe in this perception and consider Islam basically a religion(faith+worship+morality) and not a complete system for life. I think if we consider islam only as a religion it will be in the benifit of islam itself. This will also solve all the problems Muslims are facing like terrorism etc.

Can any one prove how Islam guide us completely in political, cultural, social, economic, technological, financial, scientific, historical, anthropological, philosophical, psychological, logical,mathematical, artistic, astronomical,commercial, agricultural, ecological, statistical, electronic etc etc aspects of life.

Why Islam was never implemented as a complete code of life in History. Why it was not so attractive to people to be adopted or promulgated completely.

[pukhtana]

What is your reasons for not believing it as a way of life?

Islam is my way of life.

Yes I might not follow it completely but I have my Aqeedah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Its a common perception that Islam is a complete way of life and has solution to all the problems of human life where in this world or the Hereafter.

I dont believe in this perception and consider Islam basically a religion(faith+worship+morality) and not a complete system for life. I think if we consider islam only as a religion it will be in the benifit of islam itself. This will also solve all the problems Muslims are facing like terrorism etc.

Can any one prove how Islam guide us completely in political, cultural, social, economic, technological, financial, scientific, historical, anthropological, philosophical, psychological, logical,mathematical, artistic, astronomical,commercial, agricultural, ecological, statistical, electronic etc etc aspects of life.

Why Islam was never implemented as a complete code of life in History. Why it was not so attractive to people to be adopted or promulgated completely.

The reason why you think so is because there are some things you don't know.

First of all, if you have studied the Qur'an and the tafsir of Qur'an you would have quickly realized that there are hundreds of ayah, especially in the long surah's where Allah gives us laws. Laws implemented by the prophet sal allahu alayhi wasallam.

We have laws regarding every aspect of human life. Those who are of the opinion that Islam is not a law giving political system clearly reject half of Qur'an.

And sadly we have a saying in Afghanistan: Pashtuns have only accepted half of Qur'an. Looking at the state of Pashtuns today, we can see that this saying holds truth.

[darkwitch]

Islam is my way of life.

[Badlun]

What is your reasons for not believing it as a way of life?

Islam is my way of life.

Yes I might not follow it completely but I have my Aqeedah.

You have your Aqeeda(belief, faith). Yes this is what religion is. A religious person like muslim should have beliefs in God, prophets, holy books, hereafter etc, then may worship as in the form of prayers, fasting, charity, pilgrimage an dthen may have some moral codes as not telling lie, not killing etc. This is all what religion is but beyond that islam has nothing to do.

Considering Islam as a complete way of life encourages Extremism and Religious extremism and Wahabism is really a menace,,,,,the only way is to accept Islam as religion(faith+worship+morals) and not culture, political system, legal system, economic system and source of education.


Some people like Taliban and other religious political parties struggle for the promulgation of Islamic Political system but
Islam as a political system has always been a failure from the time of Abubakar to Pakistan and Iran of today. Whatever presence it had was because of dictators, monarchs and sultans not because of its inherent political qualities. Its very opposition to democracy is a big stigma on its face.

Islam was a failure in Turkey and today in Iran. Islam can be useful only as a religion(faith+worship+morality) and not at all as a political, cultural or economic system. Today Iran shows it that theocracy and rule of religion cant be a success in this modern world at least

[Badlun]

The reason why you think so is because there are some things you don't know.

First of all, if you have studied the Qur'an and the tafsir of Qur'an you would have quickly realized that there are hundreds of ayah, especially in the long surah's where Allah gives us laws. Laws implemented by the prophet sal allahu alayhi wasallam.

We have laws regarding every aspect of human life. Those who are of the opinion that Islam is not a law giving political system clearly reject half of Qur'an.

And sadly we have a saying in Afghanistan: Pashtuns have only accepted half of Qur'an. Looking at the state of Pashtuns today, we can see that this saying holds truth.

In these internet forums till the time we dont know a member personally , may not pass comments about the knowledge or experience of the member and may not jump to the conclusion deciding the personality or ideology of a member after just reading few posts.

May be you are not aware but I have read many tafseers of Quran and important books of Ahadith and Fiqa. Even I remained a student of the traditional Madrassah if Darse Nizami and have read all the important books on Fiq, sarf wa nahwa, manteq , usool, etc.

I would like to know where Islam guide us in all aspects of life as science and technology, Natural and social sciences, mathematics, linguistics, arts and crafts, philosophy, psychology etc etc. Even the legal system you are talking is just few moral principles an dall the punishments like cutting of hands and stoning to death were never implemented as such an d will never be implemented.

[Badlun]

Some people consider that mere mentioning of Zakat in Quran gives Islam an economic system. Zakat is just a concept of charity an dis a moral notion not an economic sytem.

The concept of Zakat exists in Islam and Muslim world since more than 14 centuries but Muslim world presents a scenario of the poor parts of the world. The few Arab countries who are rich are not because of Zakat but owing to the natural resources specially petroleum. Look at Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asian countries, African Muslim countries all present worst cases of poverty stricken societies. Thus practically looking at things Zakat could not make Muslim countries prosperous.

Islam if not taken as only religion will destroy Islam itself as religion. people will start hating if Islam is imposed as a political, economic , ciultural or social system. Taliban and Wahabis present the perfect picture of ideal Islam. Are you ready to accept this kind of Islam. Theoritically speaking Taliban and Wahabis dont talk agianst Islam. Their mistake is that they consider Islam as a complete way of life and want to impose Islam on society as a complete way of life.

Islam if not presented as only religion will destroy all other cultures as its destroying Pashtunwali. Its a serious danger to accept Islam as a complete system. This is what all the extremists like taliban and Wahabis claim and struggle for.

[Master Khan]

Islam is a religion and my way of life for me!!

Because of Islam I do good things and it keep me safe from harmful things like Alcohol, Gambaling etc.

[Zari]

same here............i think of islam as my way of life......

i printed out some of the major things that are considered a sin in islam and i look at it every day...and tell my self that i wont do any of the things on the list or at least wont try to do any of the things on the list..:D

[Badlun]

Osho,
What brought you the conclusion that it's not the way of life.

I did not conclude it my self that islam is a religion but its a fact which I am trying to explain in all my above an dcoming posts.

some friends take Sharia as a system but I would like to clarify that Sharia is the explanation of Islamic rules and regulations but for the religion not for Islam as a system or code of life. As I stress again and again Islam is acceptable as a religion not as a system. Religion is faith, worship and morality not economy, politics, society , law and culture. For Pashtuns if they believe in Allah, worship him by offering prayers, ramadan etc and observe some moral codes, its ok but their culture and society is Pashtunwali and their politics should be democracy and their economy should be free market economy with state control in few matters and their law should not be against the human rights.

If sharia explains how to say prayers, how to observe fasts, how to perform hajj etc, and if it explains monotheism, beliefs in here after, prophets etc , then its ok, if it says dont tell lie then its ok but beyond that no.No Sharia is acceptable if it tries to impose politics, economy and culture. As these were never imposed successfully because its imposition is against the spirit of Islam

[Badlun]

Some friends say say that the perefct Islam is in Pashtun areas then why we complain that Pashtuns have some bad customs and traditions? Two things are possible one that there is no perfect Islam in Pashtuns or if there is perfect Islam in Pashtuns then all these evils are because of Islam!!! For me the second one may be more true as these are the Muslim Taliban and Wahabi Mullas who are harsh and cruel. Pashtuns generally are very soft, hospitable, secualr, music and dance lovers, cultured people, brave and tolerant , hard working and energetic.

No doubt there are few bad customs like SWARA, etc but majority of evils are because of the adoption of extremist Wahabi Islam by Pashtuns. Pashtuns before 1979 , before the invasion of the former USSR on Afghanistan and the entailing Jihad were very diffrent from what they are today. This is because of the Wahabi Arabs who changed Pashtuns into religious bigots that now even Arab go there to learn Islam in Pashtun lands as they cant implement Islam in their own Arab countries as all are ruled by dictators, kings and anti women bandits.

Extremist Islam has done away with Pashtunwali thats why today we hear that I am Muslim, Pakistani but not Pashtun. The name Pashtun has become a taboo for many so called extremist fundamentalist Muslims.

Many traditions of the Prophet Muhamamd are falsely quoted . Muslim may rely more on Quran than on hadith or traditions. Quran also must be reinterpretted in the light of modern day realities.

If these barbaric punishments like stonning to death, or cutting of hands cant be practically implemented then why they are there to be obeyed or acted upon. Baasically all these verses of the Holy Quran must me understood contextually and figuratively or metaphorically and not literally as done by the Wahabi, Ahle hadith, Salafi , Deo bandi Taliban etc

[Badlun]

Islam was always a failure as a system and complete code of life because we have never seen it promulgated no where except may be for few years at the life time of prophet Muhammad and upto the era of Hazrat Umar. After that we see blood shed among muslims, even people like hazrat Ali and Hazrat Ayesha were fighting each other and the grand son of the Prophet was killed by the son of Muyawya, And after that we have monorchies, dictatorship and no where any true Islamic state or welfare state or democratic state. Yes Islam as a religion was always a success and has a very good belief, worship and moral system. There are few guide lines about social , cultural, political , legal and economic aspects of life but all these fall in the category of moral or ethical sphere not a complete system,

You tomorrow announce in all muslim countries that there is free entry in France,with out visa , UK, USA , Europe, Australia, Canada, Japan, even countries like Brazil, Argentina, Mexico etc , all Muslims will rush towards these countries. Why? Because the so called Islam has given nothing to them for the last 1400 years. As a religion yes but as a system nothing. people are spending thousands of dollars just to get of their Muslim country and to enter the infidel developed world.

Few Arab countries are prosperious but this is because of natural resources not because of their hard work. They are all lazy snails. Not a single world known scienstis is found in all Muslim coun tries. One tiny Israel can destroy the whole Muslim world in one minute if they really wish so.

France as a state has the right to impose any rule or regulation. As a school can ask for certain uniform , a state can regulate its social sytem according to its requirements. And wearing Hijab or Niqab or Burqa in this modern era is already redundant and I felicitate Fance to discourage this primitive tradition. Covering face is a handicap in driving and other day to day activities. It must be banned and the violators may be punished. The same may be done in all Muslim and non. Muslim countries through out the world.

[Badlun]

Iwant to further clarify that I am Muslim religiously. I am Pashtun racially, culturally, socially and I am a liberal, democrat etc politically or economically. Iam Pakistani or Afghan or American by nationality. We must be clear in our identities. We may not confuse things. This way we can do justice with all and one will invade the other.

The whole mess that we have is because of this confusion. The illiterate Taliban want to become ruleres and judges and police and administrators which is not their job. They may be experts on the issues of how to say prayers or how to observe fasts, or what is monotheism, but they know nothong of the state craft, foreign relations, justice, finance, public administration, managemnet, development, etc.

Similarly if an expert of Political science or Zoology or Medical sciences want to advise on the religious matters will be a mistake.Spiritual and mundane must be separated.

[Badlun]

Some people think that the mere mentioning of Consultation/mashwara in Quran gives it a political system. I will once again repeat that Islam as an economic or political model never existed. This consultaion is only a moral principle mentioned in Quran but cant be equivalent to a complete political system. It was never practiced. Do you think Umayyads or Abbasids or others used consultations in their political affairs. They were all dictators.

Some think that its the student MUSLIM not the book Islam which is at fault. This example that its fault of the student and not of teacher or book is wrong for Islam. Islam if taken as a book, or teacher equal to a complete system, then this is wrong and this is the main topic we are discussing here. Islam is not a system , its not a teacher, its not a book, Its only a book or teacher for beliefs, worship and morality nothing else. Islam is only a religion nothing more than that. Its not fault of muslims as students , but its the fault of muslims to consider Islam as a system. Muslims should read the book of Islam or should learn from the teacher of Islam only in religious affairs not in politics, economics, science, logic, philosophy, etc.

[Badlun]

Islam is a religion and my way of life for me!!

Because of Islam I do good things and it keep me safe from harmful things like Alcohol, Gambaling etc.

Yes this what I am trying to explain here. Islam is good as belief system, as worship system and as moral way of life. Because of Islam we may do good things. There is no harm in it not doing bad things because of Islam. If Islam keeps you away from harmful things its morality and I recognize it but beyond this no. Islam or Taliban as implementers of Islam as a system cant be judges, police, legislators etc at the same time.