This is really interesting

[Wrayun]

in quran is says that one should not trust fasiqs. These people have turned things around and wont trust anything if it is not confirmed by kaafirs.

It's also amazing that the same Quran makes a distinction between Muhammad and Jesus as two different characters.

3:144 AND Muhammad is only an apostle; all the [other] apostles have passed away before him: if, then, he dies or is slain, will you turn about on your heels? [104] But he that turns about on his heels can in no wise harm God - whereas God will requite all who are grateful [to Him].

^That means Mr. Muhammad was alive when that verse was revealed. Jesus so-called MHMD according to the Quran is long gone:

3:55 Lo! God said: "O jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. In the end, unto Me you all must return, and I shall judge between you with regard to all on which you were wont to differ.

4:171 (Asad) O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, [180] and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him.

[شمله ور خراساني]

its the age of wikipedia. people dont read the real source( quran) but read wikipedia instead.

[akbarkhan]

Which Western contemporary historian has written about Khushal Khan Khattak, Pir Rokhan, Rehman Baba, Mirwais Hotak......? I guess they don't exist. We must've made them up. Damn it, if the white man hasn't written or talked about it, it wasn't there.

Parsiwaan has an issue with Umayyads because they burnt their Persian poetry books. Zoroaster and Ahura Mazdā tickles Parsiwaans fancy.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Parsiwaan has an issue with Umayyads because they burnt their Persian poetry books. Zoroaster and Ahura Mazdā tickles Parsiwaans fancy.

that explains allot

[parsiwaan]

Actually, non-Muslim sources provide an immense volume of historical & archaeological evidence in support of the fact that the Dome of the Rock was built by the caliph Omar in 630s. For example, K. A. C. Creswell's research uses non-Muslim as well as Muslim sources on Dome of the Rock. Perhaps another reliable reference is The world in the middle ages, an historical geography by Adolph Ludvig.

Please do abit of research before you embark on a Islam bashing tirade!

lol that is the problem with you all... Jahal is calling others uneducated... budy get your fact right... Dome of rock was build by Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (646-705) (Arabic: عبد الملك بن مروان) was the 5th Umayyad Caliph.


"When Abd al-Malik intended to construct the Dome of the Rock, he came from Damascus to Jerusalem. He wrote, "Abd al-Malik intends to build a dome (qubba) over the Rock to house the Muslims from cold and heat, and to construct the masjid. But before he starts he wants to know his subjects' opinion." With their approval, the deputies wrote back, "May Allah permit the completion of this enterprise, and may He count the building of the dome and the masjid a good deed for Abd al-Malik and his predecessors." He then gathered craftsmen from all his dominions and asked them to provide him with the description and form of the planned dome before he engaged in its construction. So, it was marked for him in the sahn of the masjid. He then ordered the building of the treasury (bayt al-mal) to the east of the Rock, which is on the edge of the Rock, and filled it with money. He then appointed Raja' ibn Hayweh and Yazid ibn Salam to supervise the construction and ordered them to spend generously on its construction. He then returned to Damascus. When the two men satisfactorily completed the house, they wrote to Abd al-Malik to inform him that they had completed the construction of the dome and al-Masjid al-Aqsa. They said to him "There is nothing in the building that leaves room for criticism." They wrote him that a hundred thousand dinars was left from the budget he allocated. He offered the money to them as a reward, but they declined, indicating that they had already been generously compensated. Abd al-Malik orders the gold coins to be melted and cast on the Dome's exterior, which at the time had a strong glitter that no eye could look straight at it."

[parsiwaan]

parsiwaan,

Are you a Pan-Iranist or Aryanist?

No.. im just humanist! I don't care about race, religion and other bs stuff.

[parsiwaan]

in quran is says that one should not trust fasiqs. These people have turned things around and wont trust anything if it is not confirmed by kaafirs.

which qorhan? the oldest---writen in Aramic(no dot or zer or zabar or Pesh).



Which according to islamic scholar have a lot of error and mistake?


http://www.submission.org/quran/protect.html


or what about Hafsa's copy was the last chapter in covering up the addition of two false verses in sura 9 as later discovered.(suggest you read Sulman Roshti..

[parsiwaan]

Which Western contemporary historian has written about Khushal Khan Khattak, Pir Rokhan, Rehman Baba, Mirwais Hotak......? I guess they don't exist. We must've made them up. Damn it, if the white man hasn't written or talked about it, it wasn't there.

Nobody knew Kushal khan, Pir rokhan and the rest in west...because they had no effect on west...on other hand so called caliph invaded eastern Rome empire...just as there are mention of Mirwais by in Persian books there must have been mention of Omar and rest by Roman historians...but there are none.
Moreover Qorhan was written in Aramic which later was converted to Arabic which proves that to know the meaning of qorhan we must look into Aramic.



ps: Mirwais Hotak is mention by western.... Swedish officer working for Mir-Wais Hotak's family in Kandahar describes these events in a book published in London in 1724 the book is called:

The Persian Cromwell: Being An Account of the Life and Surprizing Atchievements and Successes of Miri-Ways, Great Duke of Candahar and Protector of the Persian Empire. Written by a Swedish Officer who, for many Years, was Domestick Slave to Miri-Ways. London: Printed for W. Mears and J. Roberts, 1724. 1s. 6d.

[parsiwaan]

Parsiwaan has an issue with Umayyads because they burnt their Persian poetry books. Zoroaster and Ahura Mazdā tickles Parsiwaans fancy.

I don't care about past people...but lets be realistic... see how Arabs are murdering each other left and right....the savagery these Arabs shows proves this Bedwani culture...just imagine what kind of crimes against humanity they have had committed when they invaded our land...for 200 years they force Arabic as language of on our people...with qorhan on one hand and sword in other they wanted to completely eliminated our people and arabized it...just as they have done in Syrian, Lebanon, Palestine---completely wiping the original and native of land and forcing and arabizing the population...but then our people prevail, not only our language and culture is alive and kicking but in less then few centuries Persian become language of almost all non-Arab regions...even the Ottman Turks had Persian as their court language for a while.

[parsiwaan]

its the age of wikipedia. people dont read the real source( quran) but read wikipedia instead.

You did not tell me which Qorhan... the oldest one with a lot of mistake...or the new one?

[Wrayun]

Nobody knew Kushal khan, Pir rokhan and the rest in west...because they had no effect on west...on other hand so called caliph invaded eastern Rome empire...just as there are mention of Mirwais by in Persian books there must have been mention of Omar and rest by Roman historians...but there are none.
Moreover Qorhan was written in Aramic which later was converted to Arabic which proves that to know the meaning of qorhan we must look into Aramic.



ps: Mirwais Hotak is mention by western.... Swedish officer working for Mir-Wais Hotak's family in Kandahar describes these events in a book published in London in 1724 the book is called:

The Persian Cromwell: Being An Account of the Life and Surprizing Atchievements and Successes of Miri-Ways, Great Duke of Candahar and Protector of the Persian Empire. Written by a Swedish Officer who, for many Years, was Domestick Slave to Miri-Ways. London: Printed for W. Mears and J. Roberts, 1724. 1s. 6d.

Let me turn this, no one in my village heard or seen George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Carl Marx, Lenin, so they don't exist? They did have effect on us, our village, our people. Their ideologies did and still do.

Moreover Qorhan was written in Aramic which later was converted to Arabic which proves that to know the meaning of qorhan we must look into Aramic.

Sauce/Source for that? Though, what did the Muslims have to compare it with when they found mistakes and contradictions in it?

[akbarkhan]

lol that is the problem with you all... Jahal is calling others uneducated... budy get your fact right... Dome of rock was build by Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (646-705) (Arabic: عبد الملك بن مروان) was the 5th Umayyad Caliph.


"When Abd al-Malik intended to construct the Dome of the Rock, he came from Damascus to Jerusalem. He wrote, "Abd al-Malik intends to build a dome (qubba) over the Rock to house the Muslims from cold and heat, and to construct the masjid. But before he starts he wants to know his subjects' opinion." With their approval, the deputies wrote back, "May Allah permit the completion of this enterprise, and may He count the building of the dome and the masjid a good deed for Abd al-Malik and his predecessors." He then gathered craftsmen from all his dominions and asked them to provide him with the description and form of the planned dome before he engaged in its construction. So, it was marked for him in the sahn of the masjid. He then ordered the building of the treasury (bayt al-mal) to the east of the Rock, which is on the edge of the Rock, and filled it with money. He then appointed Raja' ibn Hayweh and Yazid ibn Salam to supervise the construction and ordered them to spend generously on its construction. He then returned to Damascus. When the two men satisfactorily completed the house, they wrote to Abd al-Malik to inform him that they had completed the construction of the dome and al-Masjid al-Aqsa. They said to him "There is nothing in the building that leaves room for criticism." They wrote him that a hundred thousand dinars was left from the budget he allocated. He offered the money to them as a reward, but they declined, indicating that they had already been generously compensated. Abd al-Malik orders the gold coins to be melted and cast on the Dome's exterior, which at the time had a strong glitter that no eye could look straight at it."

I have never called you uneducated, its just your insecurities.

Your trusted source is Wikipedia? I am sure you have been to a university and I am sure that your lecturer must have told everyone that citing Wikipedia for academic work is one of the 7 deadly sins.

Caliph Umar carried out preliminary work on Dome of the Rock!

Reference:
The Caliphate: Its Rise, Decline and Fall from original sources, Sir William Muir
The Succession to Muhammad: A Study of the Early Caliphate, Wilferd Madelung

[akbarkhan]

I don't care about past people...

Bache watan charmita da charmgari mishnasom.

[khushal]

in quran is says that one should not trust fasiqs. These people have turned things around and wont trust anything if it is not confirmed by kaafirs.

The Kufaars still havent confirmed the torturing of prisoners at guantanimo, abu ghraib, bagram and other sites, I guess that means it didnt happen. Oh, wait I forgot, its not torture when they do it.

"Societies level of civility is measured by how it treats its prisoners"---Socrates

I guess Parsibaan put to much faith in a society that has very litttle civility, fortunatly not everyone has the same low standards as you

[Maiwand]

Most of the kuffaar (disbelievers), even among their so-called academia and scientist, don't believe in the existence of God, so according to the criteria and standards of these people, we should also follow them and deny the existence of God. Astaghfirullah, these people are like cattle, no they are worse than cattle (Quran).