Are the Tālibān from Ahl as-Sunnah?

[شمله ور خراساني]

so me repeating 100 times that they are a politically motivated group to divide and conquer muslims and they are anthromorphists and claim most muslims have been kafir has gone un-noticed? I wonder if you are playing stupid or you actually are stupid.

Haneef,

I am offering you an opportunity to convince me that you are upon haqq. That whatever you believe and adhere to is the true version of Islam.

You have a big mouth, just like your buddy Mujib singh instead of being a bunch of sissys whining and squealing, I will offer you to represent your beliefs and ideology and convince me that that which you are upon is haqq.

So we get over with this once and for all.

Because believe me, if you have anything to offer which is supported by quran and hadeeth i will accept it.


But if you are just going to bark and shout like a frustrated sufi, then dont expect any thing good in return.

so make a thread and tell me what you are about. So we have have a good conversation.

[Dust]

^I admire your persistence, if only it was properly channeled.

[Haneef]

Haneef,

I am offering you an opportunity to convince me that you are upon haqq. That whatever you believe and adhere to is the true version of Islam.

You have a big mouth, just like your buddy Mujib singh instead of being a bunch of sissys whining and squealing, I will offer you to represent your beliefs and ideology and convince me that that which you are upon is haqq.

So we get over with this once and for all.

Because believe me, if you have anything to offer which is supported by quran and hadeeth i will accept it.


But if you are just going to bark and shout like a frustrated sufi, then dont expect any thing good in return.

so make a thread and tell me what you are about. So we have have a good conversation.

in order for you to accept anything, you have to get out of your arrogance and self righteous first. By calling mujib Mujib Singh etc, you will not because you feel as you are in a higher state than everyone else, the self righteous attitude. First of all you can not comprehend Quran and hadith, you have to go by what the Ulama have stated, the mufasireen and muhaditheen.
But if you wish to start, I want you to think who had the aqeedah that you wahabis hold today? which ulama? read about the greats of Islam and what their Aqeedah was..that should be sufficient for you to revert back to sunni Islam.
We don't have a measuring tape long enough to measure your mouth, so I wouldn't embark on that journey.

[Dust]

I think he feels that he is the only one left that God can rely on.

[Haneef]

honestly sometimes I think about if the only representation/interpretation of Islam were these wahabis, would I even want to be a muslim? most likely NOT, its sad but true

[شمله ور خراساني]

in order for you to accept anything, you have to get out of your arrogance and self righteous first.

I am offering you the chance to convince me that you are upon haqq, and you are accusing me of being self righteous and arrogant? Subhan allah.

By calling mujib Mujib Singh etc, you will not because you feel as you are in a higher state than everyone else, the self righteous attitude.

Singh means lion. And its a compliment. He should be happy. You and your buddy boy, Mujib have declared everyone a kaafir for believing in the attributes of allah as they are mentioned in quran. And have accused everyone who affirms the attributes of allah as they are mentioned in the quran to be anthropomorphists.

This mentality of sick and ignorant sectarianism and extremism is the true nature of you two. So who are you to be calling anyone else "self righteous?

First of all you can not comprehend Quran and hadith,

Why not? because I do not use greek philosophy to understand them?

Try me.

you have to go by what the Ulama have stated, the mufasireen and muhaditheen.

Yes, thats correct. However, Aristotle is not one of them.

But if you wish to start, I want you to think who had the aqeedah that you wahabis hold today?

This is the typical evasive methodology of the innovators who falsely accuse the people who have athaari/salafi aqeeda.

You are accusing me of being an anthropomorfist. This implies that somewhere you have caught me likening allah to human beings. So it is upon you to prove it.

But since you are unable to do this, because you know that as soon as you produce any false accusation against me, I will copy and paste verses from the quran which you can only refute by resorting to Aristotelian meta-physics.

which ulama?

The salaf, Abul izz al hanafi, imaam ahmad ibn hanbal.

read about the greats of Islam and what their Aqeedah was

I do read. But only that which is supported by quran and sunnah. Not that which is derived from Aristotles ranting.

..that should be sufficient for you to revert back to sunni Islam.

Are you saying that quran is not of the sunni islam? Are you saying that the creed of the companions was not sunni?

Are you on the sunnah of the greek philosophers or the sunnah of rasul allah sal allahu aleyhi wassalam?

We don't have a measuring tape long enough to measure your mouth, so I wouldn't embark on that journey.

I have invited you to produce quran and sunnah in support of your beliefs. And you talk about silencing me with tape.

Subhan allah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

honestly sometimes I think about if the only representation/interpretation of Islam were these wahabis, would I even want to be a muslim? most likely NOT, its sad but true

Well, if you deny attributes of allah as they are mentioned in the quran, you should ask yourself if you are a muslim or not.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I think he feels that he is the only one left that God can rely on.

I do not think so. But if you want to participate in a discussion, please join in. If you just want to player-hate from the side-line then piss off.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes, way to invite people towards Islam. Good going.

[Haneef]

You have too much time on your hands buddy, you wish you believe in Athari aqeedah.
I have asked your to produce what the attributs of God are and how you see them. yOu did not do this, so again, you don't wan't to learn, but close your eyes and talk non-sense.

the majority of the ulama were Ashari/Maturidi in Aqeedah, and some Athari, only a handful of heretics had wahabi/anthromorphist beliefs. So just like your pal ibn abdul wahab, you have declared the majority of the Ummah and the ulama as deviants, good going!

[شمله ور خراساني]

You have too much time on your hands buddy, you wish you believe in Athari aqeedah.

Actually I dont. But I have a habit of not allowing people to assume about whatever I say or what my beliefs are. I do not wish to follow athari aqeeda. The basics of athari aqeeda were part of me. I have never beleived that allah would use a word to describe his attributes that he did not want us to believe in.

I do not follow my desires. So I do not wish to follow athari aqeeda. I am convinced that athari aqeeda is the only true aqeeda.

I have asked your to produce what the attributs of God are and how you see them.

That which is in quran. But if you are curious read the quran and sahih hadeeth. Whatever is mentioned there, we accept, what is not mentioned there, we reject. Its a simple as that.

yOu did not do this,

I do not have to prove to you what my beliefs are. As I do not adhere to a creed which is based on greek philosophy. I just read quran and I accept it as it is. No more discussion necessary about if allah hears or not, if allah speaks or not. Because that kind of discussions are not contributing anything to my deen.

I dont have anything to hide from you.

If you dont have anything to hide, then go ahead and convince me that your ash'ari or maturidi creed is in fact haqq and supported by quran and hadith. If not, just dont go around falsely accusing me of being an anthropomorphists or a kaafir for relying solely on kitab and sunnah.

so again, you don't wan't to learn,

Learn what? What have you produced so far except cheap insults, takfeer, false accusations, childish bickering and silly and nonsensical comments?

You should be glad I am replying to you. Because honestly judging by your behavior here, you are not even worhty of a response.

but close your eyes and talk non-sense.

Well, produce something using quran and sunnah to support your beliefs and I will be all eyes and ears.

the majority of the ulama were Ashari/Maturidi in Aqeedah,

Majority and minority is no argument. Who cares if the majority was ash'ari? Does that mean we should reject quran because "majority" says so?

and some Athari, only a handful of heretics had wahabi/anthromorphist beliefs.

You have not yet answered my request in the jahmite thread to post a clear distinction between athari and wahhabi.

Any chance you could gather enough courage to do that anytime soon?

So just like your pal ibn abdul wahab, you have declared the majority of the Ummah and the ulama as deviants, good going!

If people deviate from quran and sunnah, doesn't matter what their total number is, they have deviated. Who am I to declare anything?

[Haneef]

if ur Athari, then why do you follow wahabi/ibn taymiyyah Aqeedah? I have already told you the difference, you can't read. Majority does matter, the prohpet SAW has several hadith about majority, but it's good you agree almost no one followed your wahabi aqeedah

[Haneef]

Mr. Self righteous Arrogant wahabi....

Majority and minority is no argument. Who cares if the majority was ash'ari? Does that mean we should reject quran because "majority" says so?

The prophet SAW said:
"Indeed the children of Isarel split into 72 sects and my Ummah will split into 73 sects, all of them in teh fire except one, ,and that is the Jama`ah(Collective)" Collected by Imams Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, Abdur-Razzaq in his Musannaf, At-Tabarani in his al-Mau`jam Al-Awast and classed by them as authentic (you guys love this word)

As SAwad ul-A`zam. Imam Ibn MAdhur states that linguistically, this word means: 'as -Sawad ul-A`zam is the greatest majority and numerous number from the Muslims who have agreed on the obedience of the Imam, and this is the authority'. LIsan ul-`Arab Also defined in Mukhtar us-sihah as meaning: "The sawad of the people is their populace and laity'

One more...
The prophet SAW stated: "Allah has protected you from three things befalling you: that your Prophet invoke a curse on you and you all perish, that those who follow what is false prevail over those who follow the truth and that you all agree in error." Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith no 1987
Yet another...
The prophet SAW stated: "Whatever the muslims see as good, Allah sees as good. Whatever they see as evil, Allah sees as evil". collected by Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad.

Even Ibn Taymiyyah has been quoted as saying that whenever there is disagreement, look in the 4 madhabs and the truth is what they agree upon, as they can not agree upon an error.

NOw you see how little you know? Ijma means nothing? You go against what the prophet and the Ulama have stated...

This is Ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah, you can join or stay a pissed off wahabi forever.

[Mujib]

First of all, Taliban are not all Deobandi.

You're right. The majority of them are non-Deobandi (like all of Afghanistan) Hanafis. They are all - Deobandis and non-Deobandis -, however, Ahl al-Sunna/Sunnis who are Hanafi in fiqh and Maturidi in `aqida.

Can you name Mullah `Umar's non-Hanafi-Maturidi teachers? Can you name the non-Hanafi-Maturidi schools he and other senior Taliban studied at?

There are even Shi'ites among Taliban.

Can you name a single Shi`i leader in the Taliban?

Mullah Omar or any other top ranking figure in Taliban have not condemned people of quran and sunnah.

Yes, but the Wahhabis are not people of the Qur'an and Sunna. Groups that were open about their Wahhabism and propagated it, like the Jami`at Ihya al-Turath al-Islamiyya, had their schools closed.

[Haneef]

The cat got his tongue..