Wahhabism and its roots

[Haneef]

http://www.seekingilm.com/books/wahhabite.pdf

Very good read for those who think this is a myth or something afghans just use as a word to throw around for extremists.

It exists, and you should know about it...

some major points:

Amongst the views appearing in that letter are the following:

· That I have invalidated the four Madhabs
· That for 600 years all Muslims have been unbelievers
· That I have appropriated the right of absolute ijtihad to myself
· That I am against taqlid (adopting the opinions of other schools of thought)
· That I have stated "differences of opinion amongst the Ulama is a curse"
· That I have made Kafir those who practice intercession with the Salihin (people
known for their piety)
· That I have pronounced a verdict of kufr on al -Busiri (of Qasida Burdah fame)
because he has referred to the Prophet in his Qasida as "O most venerated of
creation"
· That I have said: "Had I had the opportunity then I would have destroyed the
shrine over the Prophet (SAW)
· That had I had the opportunity then I would have removed the Mizab (spout) of
the Kaba and replaced it with a wooden one
· That I have declared haram visitations to the grave of the Prophet (SAW)
· That I find reprehensible visitations to the graves of the parents of Muhammad
(SAW)

[Abu Hurayrah]

This looks like something on the takfiri'un, I personally never came across someone who called himself/herself a wahabi

[Haneef]

^^ now a days its rare, but in some parts of the world you may still find them, saudi to say the least. They call themselves Salafi, Ahlal Hadith, etc, because wahabism has gotten such a bad name in the world.

[Abu Hurayrah]

There is nothing wrong with the Ahl al Hadith, or even Salafis, it is the interpretation of text and the simplicity a group of them use in doing takfir on everyone and everything, they are called the takfiri´s . In them, you will also find very knowledgeable tulab al ilm and scholars.I would refrain from putting labels on Muslims and judging them, without knowing anything from their Aqeedah.

[Haneef]

well their main problem is Aqeedah, it is not that of Ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah, fiqh is not that major of an issue. That is why they can't be called Sunnis

[Abu Hurayrah]

I happen to know a large group of muslims who don´t complain if one calls them salafi etc. Who are in fact following the madhab of Imam Ahmad or Imam Malik. So there you have it.

[BehavedMaseed]

Most terrorists, suicide bombers or intolarant psychopaths have sadly always turned out to be Wahabis/Salafis.

Kind Regards

[Haneef]

We are all followers of the Salaf-as-Salih. Imam Abu Hanifah (ra) was of the Tabi`een.

If they follow Madhab of Imam Ahmad or Imam Malik, then how can they be salafi bro? The whole idea is differentiation right? Else they would say I am a Muslim who is of the Ahlal Sunnah WAl Jammah and follow the Maliki Madhab.

[Haneef]

Most terrorists, suicide bombers or intolarant psychopaths have sadly always turned out to be Wahabis/Salafis.

Kind Regards

very true. Let's not forget that the west are not wahabis, yet they are the largest killers on the planet. We have to make sure we put everything into it's proper context.

[BehavedMaseed]

very true. Let's not forget that the west are not wahabis, yet they are the largest killers on the planet. We have to make sure we put everything into it's proper context.

The Western Governments are Capitalist Terrorists

If it wasnt for the West, Wahabism wouldnt be so strong.

If the west had sense they would ban it just like Russia has.

Most of these Wahabis are given the freedom to spread their terrorism in western socieites, so both are to be labelled TERRORISTS.

Its that fair enough roara?

Kind Regards

[Haneef]

yes 100%. WAhhabism was funded and created by the british, unfortunately some of these Muslims fail to see the link.

[Abu Hurayrah]

Haneef bro, Was Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab a scholar of Ahl us Sunnah?

I had a quick look into your pdf,

· That for 600 years all Muslims have been unbelievers

If you read his biography and read his fataawa, you will find out that he did not claim this. Maybe some of his extreme students.

· That I have appropriated the right of absolute ijtihad to myself

· That I am against taqlid (adopting the opinions of other schools of thought)

Abdul wahab said that taqlid is waajib, he himself was a hambali in fiqh.

That I have made Kafir those who practice intercession with the Salihin (people
known for their piety)

This also is simply not true, the followers of Abdul wahab don't do takfir on people using the pious as waseela, but they do say it is a bid'ah without prove from the Kitaab or Sunnah. Imam Ahmad believed in waseela through the prophet saw. (after his death) for instance.

What they call kufr is asking the dead for help, and here is a difference between waseela, and directly asking a dead person for help.

Muhammad abdul Wahhaab even said, to this extend that I do not make takfir on a person who is worshiping a grave, till I have explained to him the shirk and kufr in it.

There is also a book written, an objective book which deals with a lot of false accusations against him, and forgeries, a complete chapter. The book is called Muslih, Mazlum and Muftara Alaih.

Their foundations are nothing but good, and according to what I have red, it is a false blame on your muslim brethern, even if you did not agree with them, at least have the facts straight. everyone can produce a pdf document and put their name on it.

[Haneef]

If what you state is true, then we are on the same page, Walhumdulillah, but I have read on the contrary wrora. Think about these things for a bit.
If taqleed was wajib, then he could not declare anyone who did intercession of the Awliya as kafir, because that's a Fiqh issue, and from ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah Aqeedah, fiqh issues can not make one a kafir. Even Ibn Taymiyyah classified this as a Fiqh issue.

the whole reason Muslims were slaughtered and murdered (raped) was due to the fact that he claimed them to be mushriks, because some practiced the act of tawasul (intercession). And you are 100% correct that the Hanbali madhab allows Tawasul of the prophet SAW, but not of Awliya. Even then, they do not claim it to be kufr. I'll post some more stuff, this PDF is not false, it has references and books, some that are banned in SAudi Arabia.

[Haneef]

Amazon.com: The Divine Texts (9781897312612): Imam Mustafa ibn Ahmad ash-Shatti, Abu Ja'far al-Hanbali: Books

This is a beautiful book, it's written by a Hanbali scholar Imam Mustafa ibn Ahmad Ash-Shatti, it goes into the whole wahhabi movement, their AIM/Agenda, their findings, their background/idealogy/basis, etc.

This is a translation of the Arabic work An-Nuqul Ash-Shar`iyyah fir-Raddi `al al-Wahhabiyyah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

This thread reveals more about the Sufi muqalids than any truth about Imaam Mujadid Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab at Tamimi.


While this forum is filled with apostates who make numerous threads insulting muslims and islam and casting doubts on our book, the Sufi muqalid Haneef and his buddy Mujib make such silly posts and threads to "expose Wahhabism" LOL.

This is the cowardice and nihilism of Sufis. The whole world is ganging up against Muslims, they are occupying our lands wether its Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Yet the Sufis are the ones who are not opposed to the kaafir agressors, but to the Muslims who are the flagbearers of Islam against the kuffaar.

This also refutes the Sufis lies claiming Imaam Mujadid Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab was an ally of the British.

Haneef is the very same person who is sharing Hamza Yusufs trash here. And he dares to open his mouth and say that Imaam Mujadid was an ally of the British.

Who were the most fierce fighters against the British in Pashtunkhwa? The Ahle Hadith. Who were the people who liberated Kunar? The Ahle Hadith. Who exposed Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani in a Mubahela? The Ahle Hadith?

What have the Sufis doen in the last century? Answer: Hamza Yusuf & Taher ul Qadri. LOL

I think this thread needs to be pinned.