Veganism and Islam

[Akbar]

well being obnoxiously violent isn't really a key factor in determining masculinity. Many women act that way too. Ghetto people are that way but are cowards when it counts, like "manning up" or taking responsibility, being strong leaders and so on. These people aren't vegetarians either. Maybe some vague arguments can be made regarding how violent a society is and meat eating. But even among us Afghans, meat is a luxury. I mean back home it's not like we eat chelo kebab or qablay pulao every day, we eat usually nukhud some green salad and some naan ...sometimes a fish if its caught from a river. We're some of the most violent people on the planet lol


Maybe there is some truth to vegetarianism and peace but I think masculinity is a balance of traits.

We Afghans have majority vegetarian meals and meat would be once a week or once in two weeks. Many people can't afford to buy meat so they will go without meat for months.

[Firdousi]

well being obnoxiously violent isn't really a key factor in determining masculinity. Many women act that way too. Ghetto people are that way but are cowards when it counts, like "manning up" or taking responsibility, being strong leaders and so on. These people aren't vegetarians either. Maybe some vague arguments can be made regarding how violent a society is and meat eating. But even among us Afghans, meat is a luxury. I mean back home it's not like we eat chelo kebab or qablay pulao every day, we eat usually nukhud some green salad and some naan ...sometimes a fish if its caught from a river. We're some of the most violent people on the planet lol

Maybe there is some truth to vegetarianism and peace but I think masculinity is a balance of traits.

Yeah thats true lol. But Afghanistan diet habits have changed a lot, man. My father used to tell that when he was a kid, all best meat pieces were for the male elders while kids ate after them. Nowadays, it has changed. People eat a lot of meat and chicken on a regular basis. Afghan society is egalitarian and solidarity is widespread, with all the "khairaat" stuff. You know how it works: somebody dies, they sacrifice a cow. Somebody is born, they sacrifice a lamb. Ramadan, eid, nowruz,.. so even the poorest can afford to eat some on a regular basis.

Also in Afghan case there are some factors we should take into consideration: we live in a harsh environment, in a regional crossroad. Also our faith, Islam, is an "alpha" religion, encouraging self-improvement and strength. I am not sure about this, but I believe some "races" or "ethnic groups" are a bit more violent than others. Turkic, Iranic, Germanic, tribes have historically been warmonger and violent people, while some other people such as Indics or Aussie natives are not. I dont know to what degree this is true or just my own bs lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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Gombe Chimpanzee War - Wikipedia

Ay khudaya, I knew chimps were violent and could stage war but reading through that blew my mind and also makes me feel a bit less hope for humans, we're 96-98% Chimp.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

We Afghans have majority vegetarian meals and meat would be once a week or once in two weeks. Many people can't afford to buy meat so they will go without meat for months.

Indeed, my dad said they'd get dried fish (wucha mahey/kab) and they'd occasionally have lamb for things like when someone's baby was born, then again there was a baby born every week lol. They ate eggs pretty frequently, but even that was a luxury. He never ate beef until he left Afghanistan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Yeah thats true lol. But Afghanistan diet habits have changed a lot, man. My father used to tell that when he was a kid, all best meat pieces were for the male elders while kids ate after them. Nowadays, it has changed. People eat a lot of meat and chicken on a regular basis. Afghan society is egalitarian and solidarity is widespread, with all the "khairaat" stuff. You know how it works: somebody dies, they sacrifice a cow. Somebody is born, they sacrifice a lamb. Ramadan, eid, nowruz,.. so even the poorest can afford to eat some on a regular basis.

Also in Afghan case there are some factors we should take into consideration: we live in a harsh environment, in a regional crossroad. Also our faith, Islam, is an "alpha" religion, encouraging self-improvement and strength. I am not sure about this, but I believe some "races" or "ethnic groups" are a bit more violent than others. Turkic, Iranic, Germanic, tribes have historically been warmonger and violent people, while some other people such as Indics or Aussie natives are not. I dont know to what degree this is true or just my own bs lol

Are there lots of cows in Herat? I mean I know they're everywhere but they were scarce for my dad. Cows were mainly for plowing, lamb was more accessible but still rare since they had some utility.

[khushal]

Afghans eating meat once a week is a myth. My mother and father tell me they would eat meat 3-4 times a weak, dairy and eggs were eaten more and these were poor people living in rural villages. They raised their own livestock and grew their own food. They say that winter was the hardest time but summer and fall, there was plenty to eat as long as there was no drought.
Its more likely that city people had a harder time getting enough to eat. Most Kabulis we knew hardly ate good but they were very materialistic and would spend having fancy material rather than good food concerned more about image.

Strength and aggressiveness are different. Meat gives you strength and aggressiveness is a learned behavior. Afghans are aggressive because we are raised that way by our parents. we are taught from a very young age who our "torbur" is and taught to never back down from a fight and be "shokh."

Indics can be aggressive but they are weak and soft like women. I really believe that Afghan women can beat up indic men easily. There was a study that said that medals won at the Olympics was directly related to the GDP of a country. India has one of highest GDP but hardly wins any medals.

[Firdousi]

Are there lots of cows in Herat? I mean I know they're everywhere but they were scarce for my dad. Cows were mainly for plowing, lamb was more accessible but still rare since they had some utility.

Not really, man. Cow meat is low quality in Herat (like most of Afghanistan, CA and ME). Lamb meat is way better. I noticed while traveling around Herat province that there are a lot of shepherds almost in every place. Since our country is least-developed, we focus mostly on traditional farming (extensive livestock farming) so I guess thats why you see them everywhere. But the thing is that meat consumption in Afghanistan is not that exceptional. People do eat meat on a regular basis.

Few years ago, my grandfather passed away so went to Afghanistan in order to bury him and make khatom and fatiha. I spent like 40 days in Herat (awaited for his "chelom") so we sacrificed several cows and lambs in order to give the meat to those in need. So I went with my dad, uncles, cousins and all family to a farm (we call them "ghanj") and bought some cows. The thing is that, for some reason, cows seemed to be very puffy. Once we sacrificed them we realized that there was a lot of water in their bellies. Farmers had pumped water up their as*es in order to make them appear fat. This sad story always me laugh

[khushal]

Are there lots of cows in Herat? I mean I know they're everywhere but they were scarce for my dad. Cows were mainly for plowing, lamb was more accessible but still rare since they had some utility.

The lambs here in the states are not as tasty as back home. The lambs back home would have fat in the back and we used the fat to cook rice. At the bottom of the pot, the fat would turn crunchy, that is the most delicious piece of food.

[Firdousi]

The lambs here in the states are not as tasty as back home. The lambs back home would have fat in the back and we used the fat to cook rice. At the bottom of the pot, the fat would turn crunchy, that is the most delicious piece of food.

"Dombe". Indeed its delicious. Thats why seekh kebab its always few pieces of meat and a bit of fat.

[khushal]

"Dombe". Indeed its delicious. Thats why seekh kebab its always few pieces of meat and a bit of fat.

We call it "Lombe"

[jamakzai1221]

I have almost completely transitioned to a vegan diet and lifestyle. While I understand we are allowed to eat Halal meat, I just do not believe any meat is halal anymore even if by a 'Muslim' butcher is halal.

Any thoughts and impressions about my decision?

Our Prophet(pbuh) rarely ate meat, and he said that we must not make a graveyard of animals in our stomach.

Aside from my moral reasons, I can give you a bunch of other reasons (health, meat is a cancer causing carcinogen) as to why I switched. It was tough to do.

We are all manufactured to eat certain things, and other things not. We afghans are mountain people, so eating meat is a very important survival technique, the reason indics are alive right now is because most of them live in the low lands, not much muscle mass required to move around thats why many of them are overweight eventhough all they eat is curry. However mountainous people tend to have a much higher metabolic rate and eating meat is more of a requirement because of higher amounts of pure protein in meat compared to vegetables. However, that being said, it depends on how you react to vegetarianism, if u like it and think it works for you, go ahead, but if ur getting weaker by the day, i would advise you to go for grass-fed meat, the healthiest meat out there, eating vegetables is still very important though.

[Ambatin]

Afghans eating meat once a week is a myth. My mother and father tell me they would eat meat 3-4 times a weak, dairy and eggs were eaten more and these were poor people living in rural villages. They raised their own livestock and grew their own food. They say that winter was the hardest time but summer and fall, there was plenty to eat as long as there was no drought.
Its more likely that city people had a harder time getting enough to eat. Most Kabulis we knew hardly ate good but they were very materialistic and would spend having fancy material rather than good food concerned more about image.

Strength and aggressiveness are different. Meat gives you strength and aggressiveness is a learned behavior. Afghans are aggressive because we are raised that way by our parents. we are taught from a very young age who our "torbur" is and taught to never back down from a fight and be "shokh."

Indics can be aggressive but they are weak and soft like women. I really believe that Afghan women can beat up indic men easily. There was a study that said that medals won at the Olympics was directly related to the GDP of a country. India has one of highest GDP but hardly wins any medals.

Indics are built differently. They have different fat distribution, that skinny fat body type. they are more similar to Australian aboriginals who have similar unatheletic skinnyfat physiques. They are not built for athletism.
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[khushal]

Not really, man. Cow meat is low quality in Herat (like most of Afghanistan, CA and ME). Lamb meat is way better. I noticed while traveling around Herat province that there are a lot of shepherds almost in every place. Since our country is least-developed, we focus mostly on traditional farming (extensive livestock farming) so I guess thats why you see them everywhere. But the thing is that meat consumption in Afghanistan is not that exceptional. People do eat meat on a regular basis.

Few years ago, my grandfather passed away so went to Afghanistan in order to bury him and make khatom and fatiha. I spent like 40 days in Herat (awaited for his "chelom") so we sacrificed several cows and lambs in order to give the meat to those in need. So I went with my dad, uncles, cousins and all family to a farm (we call them "ghanj") and bought some cows. The thing is that, for some reason, cows seemed to be very puffy. Once we sacrificed them we realized that there was a lot of water in their bellies. Farmers had pumped water up their as*es in order to make them appear fat. This sad story always me laugh

Thats cruel.

The beef here in the States tastes way better than the beef back home, maybe that's why we eat mostly goat and lamb vs beef because of beefs low quality but I prefer goat meat over any other meats. Brazilians tell me that beef in Brazil is better than the US, I wonder if its a different breed of cattle. Also Kobe Beef is very tasty but I hear the Japanese massage their cows and play violin music for them.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Afghans eating meat once a week is a myth. My mother and father tell me they would eat meat 3-4 times a weak, dairy and eggs were eaten more and these were poor people living in rural villages. They raised their own livestock and grew their own food. They say that winter was the hardest time but summer and fall, there was plenty to eat as long as there was no drought.
Its more likely that city people had a harder time getting enough to eat. Most Kabulis we knew hardly ate good but they were very materialistic and would spend having fancy material rather than good food concerned more about image.

Strength and aggressiveness are different. Meat gives you strength and aggressiveness is a learned behavior. Afghans are aggressive because we are raised that way by our parents. we are taught from a very young age who our "torbur" is and taught to never back down from a fight and be "shokh."

Indics can be aggressive but they are weak and soft like women. I really believe that Afghan women can beat up indic men easily. There was a study that said that medals won at the Olympics was directly related to the GDP of a country. India has one of highest GDP but hardly wins any medals.

Some places had suffered lots of problems with droughts, some places may have had more access to animals, but because they didn't have a good crop system, many animals were opted for utility....

I still believe their lack of "jor" is because of their diet in general rather than a lack of meat, they eats LOTS of low quality sugary food, LOTS of ghee, it makes people sluggish. You're right in the sense a heartier diet with meat makes you more rugged, most vegetarians have lots of defiiciencies and that's because certain nutrients are easier to get through meat. Another thing is we don't eat as much rice as Indians, we meat whole grain breads or wheat more. That makes a huge difference too.

[khushal]

Some places had suffered lots of problems with droughts, some places may have had more access to animals, but because they didn't have a good crop system, many animals were opted for utility....

I still believe their lack of "jor" is because of their diet in general rather than a lack of meat, they eats LOTS of low quality sugary food, LOTS of ghee, it makes people sluggish. You're right in the sense a heartier diet with meat makes you more rugged, most vegetarians have lots of defiiciencies and that's because certain nutrients are easier to get through meat. Another thing is we don't eat as much rice as Indians, we meat whole grain breads or wheat more. That makes a huge difference too.

You are right they do eat a lot of high carb and oily foods.
Here is an interesting article about vegetarians/vegans in the US.
84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat. Why? | Psychology Today