Who converted Pashtuns to Islam?

[Sarbani]

Was it the Ghaznavids or the Saffarids?

[Akbar]

Someone got emotionally hurt in previous threads now wants to go at Islam on this one.

[Sarbani]

Lol, I didn't get butthurt in that thread xD This was a question I had on my mind for a while.

[Sarbani]

I feel this is better suited for the history section rather than the religion one.

Anyways, any ideas? [MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION] [MENTION=18277]Afghanfootball[/MENTION]

[khushal]

I think it were the Muslims, but that is just a guess.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Was it the Ghaznavids or the Saffarids?

Possibly both at different times. Since obviously there were Muslim Afghans but also Pagan Afghans that coexisted until the Ghaznawids. I think the Ghaznawid helped complete the transition.

There was a Ghorid leader named "Muhammad' who the Ghaznawids called a kafir, but that could have been a maligning of a rival than an actual description of their faith. Who knows though?

[Kakar-Wardak]

Possibly both at different tribes. Since obviously there were Muslim Afghans but also Pagan Afghans that coexisted until the Ghaznawids. I think the Ghaznawid helped complete the transition.

There was a Ghorid leader named "Muhammad' who the Ghaznawids called a kafir, but that could have been a maligning of a rival than an actual description of their faith. Who knows though?

As far As I have read All Pashtuns were muslim by the time of Mahmud Ghaznavi, obviously many were muslim before him too but the whole process took a few hundred years, considering Islam came to Afghanistan during the time of the Ummayads.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

As far As I have read All Pashtuns were muslim by the time of Mahmud Ghaznavi, obviously many were muslim before him too but the whole process took a few hundred years, considering Islam came to Afghanistan during the time of the Ummayads.

Well Ghaznawids Chroniclers speak of non-Muslim Afghans too so I don't know.

[Friends of Baloch]

As far As I have read All Pashtuns were muslim by the time of Mahmud Ghaznavi, obviously many were muslim before him too but the whole process took a few hundred years, considering Islam came to Afghanistan during the time of the Ummayads.

Not really. In the Baburnama he talks about some of the Afghan tribes he encountered as being infidels and others heretics. It is more likely that Pashtuns as a whole fully transitioned into being Muslims during the 1600s.

During Ghaznavi's time is too early. Not even Egypt or Iran were 'Muslim' at that time. About half of Iran was still Zoroastrian during Ghaznavis time and likewise Egypt's Coptic population was still a slight majority in that era.

[Sarbani]

Not really. In the Baburnama he talks about some of the Afghan tribes he encountered as being infidels and others heretics. It is more likely that Pashtuns as a whole fully transitioned into being Muslims during the 1600s.

During Ghaznavi's time is too early. Not even Egypt or Iran were 'Muslim' at that time. About half of Iran was still Zoroastrian during Ghaznavis time and likewise Egypt's Coptic population was still a slight majority in that era.

The first ruler of the Ghaznavid was Sabuktagin. I don't think he converted us all to Islam, but his son Mahmud likely completed the process. Would you agree with that?

Also, do you know how much of an impact the Saffarids had on the religious affiliation of Pashtuns?

[Firdousi]

"In 1192 AD, according to Farishta, the army assembled by Muizz al din Muhammed bin Sam consisted of Turks, Tajiks and Afghans, and his opponent Pithorai (Prithoi Rai) assembled a force of Rajput and Afghan horsemen. Thus, in this great war Mussulmans and Hindu Afghans are represented as fighting on both sides, which probably indicates that they were not yet completely converted to Islam"

E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam, 1913-1936 By M Th Houtsma, T W Arnold, A J Wensinck Edition: reprint, illustrated Published by BRILL, Page 151 1993

Seems in the 12th century most of Pashtuns were not Muslims yet. I read somewhere that it was under the Ghaznawids when Tajiks became fully Muslims. I guess the Ghaznawid rule was a turning point for Islam for all Eastern Iranians.

Five centuries after the Islamic conquest and still the region wasnt fully Islamized. Those m*rons who claims Islam was imposed by force should get themselves a brain. Eastern Iranian lands have always been the stronghold of Iranian identity. Point to be noted.

[jama0112]

Seriously, i'm confused. So we were hindus before we turned muslims, or is hindu just another term for kafir? Because i always hear that pahstuns were always zoroastrians and buddhists, before we onverted to islam?

[Kakar-Wardak]

Not really. In the Baburnama he talks about some of the Afghan tribes he encountered as being infidels and others heretics. It is more likely that Pashtuns as a whole fully transitioned into being Muslims during the 1600s.

During Ghaznavi's time is too early. Not even Egypt or Iran were 'Muslim' at that time. About half of Iran was still Zoroastrian during Ghaznavis time and likewise Egypt's Coptic population was still a slight majority in that era.

Babur probably met some Pagan nuristanis and though they were pashtuns lol.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Seriously, i'm confused. So we were hindus before we turned muslims, or is hindu just another term for kafir? Because i always hear that pahstuns were always zoroastrians and buddhists, before we onverted to islam?

Hindu was the word for any infidel who worshipped idols, to the Turkic muslims all idol worshippers were Hindu.

[jama0112]

Ok, so it's just another term for kafir.

But where there really hindu pahstuns and which regions/cities where they from?

Also, does that mean that turks saw kafir iranians as hindus, just in case if there where any kafir persians?