Shirk

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But it is a big deal.

Remember the story of Prophet Suleyman (AS). he intended to sleep with all hos wives so he could have sons who would be righteous. Suleyman (AS) didn't say Insha'Allah. and only one (out of 99) have birth to a half child.

Have you forgetton Yajuj and Majuj? everyday they dig their way out. and the leader amongst them says its ok to rest now, we'll continue tomorrow. one day the leaders of Yajuj and Majuj will say Insha Allah, and the next day the barrier would be digable.

Remember Kulli shay bil niyyah. It's better to not say Inshallah but have it in your intention than to say a thousand InshaAllah and just use that as an excuse for laziness, avoidance or incompetence as we see in our communities.


It's the one who acts when God has granted him the ability to so , that truly means InshaAllah.

[khushal]

Perhaps you're correct. I'm sure that is a legitable defense when you're presenting your case to Allah, master of the day of judgement.

Perhaps saying "Khuda" isn't shirk. But we know, the angels and the jinns call him (SWT) by Allah (SWT). So why innovate the word?

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION]

I'm sure, with that hadith of the Rasul (PBUH) you could make a case on the day of resurrection. But you won't be high-ranking in the hereafter.

Working and praying Salah are not the same. Astragfrullah. When you're working it is for yourself. When you're praying you're directly talking to Allah (SWT). Any Joe the Plumber works like a donkey. But that doesn't mean he is worshiping Allah Rab Al-Izza.

And the topic of if Muslims are even praying correctly is another matter.

and to add,

Remember only 1 sect of Islam will be going to Jannah. Allahu'alam.

No one said it is the same except you. When you pray, abstain from lying, abstain from stealing, helping the needy, educating yourself, making the society better and contributing positive aspects to society. This is all worshiping because you are following the commands of Allah.

Your definition of worship seems to be the lazy guys version and laziness is a sin.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Qais, you're mixing up people needing improvement in the performance of 'ibadah with bid'a. Bid'a has a very specific meaning, it doesn't simply mean not doing things exactly like the Nabi(saw) or Salaf Al Saliheen. It is more close to meaning you claim something is mandated or necessitated by the religion when it may not actually be so. Or something mandated or required by the religion is not required, without any justification for it.

[One1]

Every Muslim i talk to thinks they are on the straight path. The Qu'ran and Sunnah say one thing, you guys innovate the message. Ok that's fine, Allahu'Alam.

Then i watch how they pray, and astragfrullah. How are you on the right path when your bowing and prostrations are super fast? There's a hadith in Bukhari, narrated by Aisha (RA) and she reported that the Prophet (PBUH) would be in Sujood for as long as anyone of you could recite 50 verses of the Qu'ran.

My prayers aren't perfect. I admit i am a denizen of Jahannam until proven otherwise. But if you finish a 4 raka fardh in under 15 minutes, you are not doing it properly. Allahu'Alam.

The masjid is nearly empty when the Adhaan for Juma is called. Once the Adhaan has been said, the angels stop recording and hear the khutba (Bukhari)

Your a troll.....

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Either Kesh is trolling or he needs to be hospitalized because he has lost his mind.

[Firdousi]

So for the people who say "Khuda" do you use the same word in your Salah and supplications?

ex

"Khadahu akbar"?

replace Allah SWT in any of the verses with "Khuda"

Or when you are not in prayer, you say "Khuda"?

We pray in Arabic not in Farsi therefore we use the word "Allah".

You make absolutely no sense. You are nuts.

[Firdousi]

I say bakhair...but thats maybe because I am Farsiwan...we dont say inshallah either...in my circles we Dont use many Arabic expressions...

I just Dont Find Arabic language Sound very attractive...

We do use Inshallah, Alhamdulillah, Mashallah,.. in Farsi. Some Tajik nationalists now are trying to encourage people to stop saying "Salam" and use "Dorood" but I kinda find it st*pid.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What doesn't make sense? When you pray, you say Allah (SWT), but when you're conversing you say "Khuda"? that is a contradiction.

If we can say du'a in your own native tongue, what doesn't make sense about it?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There is obviously nothing wrong with making du'a/talk to Allah, the all mighty in your native tongue. But he (SWT) has a name. And it is Allah, Lord of the Universe. And that is what he (SWT) should be addressed out of respect.

It's a simple concept i would assume. But yet here i am fighting with my parents all the time because they cannot give up saying "Khuda". I tell them that their excuse is the same as the pagan Quraysh who could not give up worshiping idols because that is what their fathers did before them.

"God" "Khuda" and the like, are man-made words. Allah (SWT) refers himself (SWT) to Allah (SWT) in the Qu'ran.

17:110
Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite [too] loudly in your prayer or [too] quietly but seek between that an [intermediate] way.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

God or Khuda have been used by people to refer to other deities. Allah (SWT) is Allah (SWT). No partners does he (SWT) have. He neither begets nor has been begotten.

You're turning this into a debate. Which i am not trying to do.

You could probably defend people who come to Juma prayer after the Adhan? Even though, in the Hadiths, Abul Qasem (PBUH) said after the adhan, the angels close their book (the names of people who are attending the Juma) and watch the Khutba.

What is the point of coming. Astragfrullah i have skipped hundreds of Juma prayer. But when i go, i make sure to attend minutes before the Adhaan.

Allah has also been used to refer to other deities. That doesn't change the merits of Allah(swt)

I'm sorry you're putting your own spin on this, it's not from Islam. the analogy you're making is not really pertinent here.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Source?

No spin on it from my end. You're making a case for people not to call Allah, lord of the Universe. But by names like God, Khuda, or Bhagwan. Which is vague. When you say those words, people could be like "Which God are you referring to"? When you say Allah (SWT) everyone knows it refers to him by whose hands Muhammad (PBUH) belongs to.

Allahu'Alam. If i say something incorrect it is on me. If i say something right, All praises and thanks to Allah (SWT).

Christian Arabs Call Jesus "Allah".

I'm not making that case, rather I'm saying your reasoning is incorrect.

[Samandri]

But yet here i am fighting with my parents all the time because they cannot give up saying "Khuda". I tell them that their excuse is the same as the pagan Quraysh who could not give up worshiping idols because that is what their fathers did before them.

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You are fighting with your parents over non-issue. Stop harassing and offending your parents, its actually a sin than saying Khuda.

And its not guaranteed that the ones doing excessive ibadat must be on right track.......Kharjiites for example were fanatics of their time who exceeded any one in prayers, fasting, recitation of Quran etc yet they exit the deen like an arrow does from the prey.......i believe humans are not created merely for ritualistic Ibadat in this world, if we were then we would have role like angels and need not to be on the earth

[Firdousi]

Cyprus is a Christian country yet they use the word "Allah" for God. I guess they are better Muslims than us according to this guy lol

This "debate" is absurd.