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  • #16
    This is simply extremism.......It would have been digestible of you had said that that usage of word Allah is preferable to Khuda, kho ta kho shirk ta qisa botla awo mozh tol dey mushrik krralu .... ......am i committing sin by using Pasho word 'zmonj' for prayers instead of 'Salat'?......no i am not. Khuda has same meaning as Al-Malik so its very OK to use Khuda for Allah.......if your argument is that word Khuda is invalid because Pre-islamic Persians have used the word for their deity then word Allah has also been used before Islam by Mushrikeen....

    But your most extreme display of extremism is your these lines in the thread

    If you're spending, in a 24 hour period, doing other activities(working, exercising, smartphones etc) longer than in dhikr or Salah, you could possibly being committing shirk. To spend more time idling and not worshiping Rab Al-Alamin, by your actions, you're associating other "partners" with All mighty Allah
    May Allah lessen your extremism and bigotry

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    • #17
      Looks like op has been reading some najdi phamplets.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        Some people are confused and think there is only one kind of worship, the mechanical kind where you go up and down and worry about if your pants sleaves are rolled up to the right length and criticise others for not having their pants sleeve not rolled making yourself feel better that your a better muslim and missing the point of the prayer and ebodat.
        Work and responsibility itself is a form of worship:

        أَلَا كُلُّكُمْ رَاعٍ وَكُلُّكُمْ مَسْئُولٌ عَنْ رَعِيَّتِهِ فَالْإِمَامُ الَّذِي عَلَى النَّاسِ رَاعٍ وَهُوَ مَسْئُولٌ عَنْ رَعِيَّتِهِ وَالرَّجُلُ رَاعٍ عَلَى أَهْلِ بَيْتِهِ وَهُوَ مَسْئُولٌ عَنْ رَعِيَّتِهِ وَالْمَرْأَةُ رَاعِيَةٌ عَلَى أَهْلِ بَيْتِ زَوْجِهَا وَوَلَدِهِ وَهِيَ مَسْئُولَةٌ عَنْهُمْ وَعَبْدُ الرَّجُلِ رَاعٍ عَلَى مَالِ سَيِّدِهِ وَهُوَ مَسْئُولٌ عَنْهُ أَلَا فَكُلُّكُمْ رَاعٍ وَكُلُّكُمْ مَسْئُولٌ عَنْ رَعِيَّتِهِ

        Every one of you is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock. The leader of the people is a guardian and is responsible for his subjects: a man is the guardian of his family and is responsible for his subjects, a woman is the guardian of her husband’s home and of his children and is responsible for them, and the slave of a man is a guardian of his master’s property and is responsible for it. Surely, every one of you is a shepherd and responsible for his flock.

        Source: Sahih Bukhari 6719,
        Did I just reqd "slave" ?

        Does Islam support slavery?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by کیش
          Allahu"Alam/Allah (SWT) knows best

          Shirk:

          Associating partners with Allah, the exalted. Allah, the most merciful forgives every sin but shirk. So the seriousness is warranted.

          The purpose of creation is to prostrate and submit to Allah, the most beneficent.

          If you're spending, in a 24 hour period, doing other activities(working, exercising, smartphones etc) longer than in dhikr or Salah, you could possibly being committing shirk. To spend more time idling and not worshiping Rab Al-Alamin, by your actions, you're associating other "partners" with All mighty Allah.
          Okey we must pray and worship allha from the time we wake Up to we sleep....meanwhile the non believers / "kuffar" are spending their time figuring out how to colonized outer space, find cures to cancer, etc....

          Its No Wonder muslim World is still 1400 years behind the West....because of idioticly extreme interpretations of Islam...

          Islam has good values, but I Dont believe its healthy to be extreme about it....if all we do most of the time is read Quran and worship god (now your telling I shouldn't say God or Khuda), No work is being done, society doesnt progress, still same poverty and technology as in stone Age Arabian deserts....
          Last edited by Kabulistan; 04-09-2017, 08:06 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by کیش

            Perhaps saying "Khuda" isn't shirk. But we know, the angels and the jinns call him (SWT) by Allah (SWT). So why innovate the word?
            Allah(swt) hears the calls of every sincere believer and has done so from all over the world and even beyond this world. the AHnaf were true believers that existed but never received a Prophet(saw). Allah 'Alim if they said the word Arabic, but perhaps they didn't. Allah(swt) answered them even if they said 'Khuda'.

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post
              Looks like op has been reading some najdi phamplets.
              I was thinking that at first, then it dawned on me that the preaching is more akin to Tablighi Jama'at.

              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                I was thinking that at first, then it dawned on me that the preaching is more akin to Tablighi Jama'at.
                Ironically old deobandi scholars were proficient in Farsi, if we were to dwell into their Farsi works we would surely find the word khuda.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post
                  Ironically old deobandi scholars were proficient in Farsi, if we were to dwell into their Farsi works we would surely find the word khuda.
                  Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband India

                  Our Mullahs who talk in Pashto and are graduated from Dar-ul-ulooms, do use "Khuda" (pronounced as khuday in Pashto)

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                  • #24
                    I would be the first to admit that i am a sinner/Denizen of Hell. But everyone here is in major denial.

                    Do you say "Bekhayr" or Insha'Allah?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by کیش View Post
                      I would be the first to admit that i am a sinner/Denizen of Hell. But everyone here is in major denial.

                      Do you say "Bekhayr" or Insha'Allah?
                      I say bakhair...but thats maybe because I am Farsiwan...we dont say inshallah either...in my circles we Dont use many Arabic expressions...

                      I just Dont Find Arabic language Sound very attractive...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Nm2017 View Post
                        I say bakhair...but thats maybe because I am Farsiwan...we dont say inshallah either...in my circles we Dont use many Arabic expressions...

                        I just Dont Find Arabic language Sound very attractive...
                        Your reasoning is faulty since "Khair" and even "Bikhair" are Arabic words

                        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                        don’t try to be smart.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by کیش View Post
                          I would be the first to admit that i am a sinner/Denizen of Hell. But everyone here is in major denial.

                          Do you say "Bekhayr" or Insha'Allah?
                          Brother, stop focusing on such meaningless and trivial things. Rather focus on what's plainly spoken in our religion.

                          Islam is not meant to be this cumbersome or complicated.

                          Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                          Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                          don’t try to be smart.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                            Your reasoning is faulty since "Khair" and even "Bikhair" are Arabic words
                            Damn it, this Arab language has really ****ed up Persian language...(aside from Millions other language now extinct in North Africa/Middle east)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Nm2017 View Post
                              Damn it, this Arab language has really ****ed up Persian language...(aside from Millions other language now extinct in North Africa/Middle east)
                              No one made people have to use these words. It happened because of just trends and customary habits.

                              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                              don’t try to be smart.

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                              • #30
                                We say "ka xwand we" or "ka khair we," but the kids are now saying inshallah

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