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    Many Muslims claim the Taliban are not following "true Islam". But for one reason or another its seems the Taliban and their likes continue acting and behaving this way. Muslims tell the world they are not true Islam. Yet why do the Taliban insist and continue to behave like this and why are all the clerics around the Muslim world unable to convince them otherwise?

    Could these hadiths be why?

    On the authority of `Abdullah ibn `Abbas that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "If you find anybody committing the act of the People of Lot (i.e. sodomy), then kill the one doing it and the one with whom it is done." This hadith is recorded by Imam Ahmad, Imam Abu Dawud, and Imam At-Tirmidhi among others.


    Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah." Bukhari

    Narrated Aisha: No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? She said: I I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. She said: The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed. Abu Dawood

    :Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. Abu Dawood

    Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again). He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa, the tribe of Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina. Bukhari

    "Awf ibn Malik reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, 'The Jews split into 71 sects: one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 sects: 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.' Someone asked, 'O Messenger ofAllah (Peace be upon him), who will they be?' He replied, 'The main body of the Muslims (al-Jama'ah).' Awf ibn Malik is the only one who reported this Hadith, and its isnad is acceptable." And in another version of this Hadith the Prophet (Peace be upon him) goes onto say that the saved sect, "...Are those who follow my and my Sahaba's path" (Tirmidhi, vol. 2, pg. 89)


    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him. Bukhari

    Allah's Apostle sent us in a mission (i.e. am army-unit) and said, "If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire." When we intended to depart, Allah's Apostle said, "I have ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so, and it is none but Allah Who punishes with fire, so, if you find them, kill them." Bukhari

    Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have." Bukhari

    Abu Musa said, “I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash’ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah’s Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak ), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, ‘O Abu Musa (O ‘Abdullah bin Qais!).’ I said, ‘By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.’ As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, ‘We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or ‘Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.’” The Prophet then sent Mu’adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu’adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu’adh asked, “Who is this (man)?” Abu Muisa said, “He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.” Then Abu Muisa requested Mu’adh to sit down but Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, “Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, ‘I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.’” Bukhari

    Some people from the tribe of ‘Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Bukhari

    Imam Shafi, may Allah have mercy upon him, said the Imam [supreme leader of the Muslims] is given the choice of killing the prisoners, showing them mercy, ransoming them or keeping them in bondage. This issue has been confirmed and has been proven in our book 'Al Ahkam.' (Tafsir of the Qur'an by Ibn Kathir [1])

    According to the Qur'an a woman who has been captured by force falls in the category of a slave girl (kaniz). And because the Qur'an confines the use of force to the fighting (qital) in the way of God, thus according to the Qur'an a slave girl is that woman who falls in the hands of Muslims as a prisoner during the course of war waged in the way of God. (Maulana Maududi, Rasa'il wa Masa'il 3rd edition, Vol. III, p.102).


    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw. ( Bukhari )

    'Umar b. Muhammad b. Zaid reported that he heard his father narrating from Ibn 'Umar that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had said. If bad luck is a fact, then it is in the horse, the woman and the house. (Bukhari)



    The clerics follow the same Islam as the Taliban do. Thats why. So now you know. Quran is peace and Quran is freedom. Haven't you heard?

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    You Parvezi's are mocking our religion.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Afghanlady
      bigmo I have a simple question for you,

      Would you side with Nato or Taliban and why?


      sangar either refute what he said or just watch.
      I never supported the war in Afghanistan. Taliban will be defeated through ideas and not bombs. So I don't side with either. My problem is with Sunni/Shia Islam and their abrogation of the Quran. Many of their teachings like dealing with prisoners and personal freedom contradict the Quran head to toe.

      I am also suprised some people will say I am attacking their religion when I am simply quoting what the Hadith books say. What does the Quran say about prisoners as compared to Sunni/Shia teachings? What does the Quran say about freedom as compared to what Sunni/Shia teachings say? Many Muslims do not know this, but the Koran is the most freedom inspiring literature on Earth. The Quran gives complete and absolute freedom unparalleled in human literature. It also places treatment of prisoners with acts of piety.

      "They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (76:7-9)"

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      • #4
        there is nothing to refute. These Parvezis mock ahadith because they believe that we should only believe in Quran. They deny the religious significance of ahadith.

        What's there to refute?

        Just ask this Parvezi, does he really believe in everything that is written in QUran? Does he obey ALlah's every command? Does he believe in every word that is written in QUran?

        He doesn't. Parvezis reject hundreds of ayat of quran. And disbelieve in them.

        I have posted an ebook that refutes this deviant sect and the founder of their deviand ideology. No need for me to refute them when they are already refuted.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bigmo View Post
          I never supported the war in Afghanistan. Taliban will be defeated through ideas and not bombs. So I don't side with either. My problem is with Sunni/Shia Islam and their abrogation of the Quran. Many of their teachings like dealing with prisoners and personal freedom contradict the Quran head to toe.

          I am also suprised some people will say I am attacking their religion when I am simply quoting what the Hadith books say. What does the Quran say about prisoners as compared to Sunni/Shia teachings? What does the Quran say about freedom as compared to what Sunni/Shia teachings say? Many Muslims do not know this, but the Koran is the most freedom inspiring literature on Earth. The Quran gives complete and absolute freedom unparalleled in human literature. It also places treatment of prisoners with acts of piety.

          "They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (76:7-9)"
          You are mixing ideologies my friend. What are Shia/Sunni teachings?
          It's like saying Muslim/Christian teachings.
          Sunni and Shia are two different things,
          For a muslim to become a muslim or to practice Islam he has to follow Sunnah/Islam, a muslim that doesn't follow or believe in the Sunnah of Prophet SAW is not a muslim at all...this makes us all (muslims) Sunnis. Unless there are some other type of sunnis, that I haven't heard of all this time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bigmo View Post
            I never supported the war in Afghanistan. Taliban will be defeated through ideas and not bombs. So I don't side with either. My problem is with Sunni/Shia Islam and their abrogation of the Quran. Many of their teachings like dealing with prisoners and personal freedom contradict the Quran head to toe.

            I am also suprised some people will say I am attacking their religion when I am simply quoting what the Hadith books say. What does the Quran say about prisoners as compared to Sunni/Shia teachings? What does the Quran say about freedom as compared to what Sunni/Shia teachings say? Many Muslims do not know this, but the Koran is the most freedom inspiring literature on Earth. The Quran gives complete and absolute freedom unparalleled in human literature. It also places treatment of prisoners with acts of piety.

            "They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (76:7-9)"

            America has lost the war. And the people who have invented your sect of Parvezis and are encouraging you people to promote the deviant teachings of your sect are loosing the war. Soon America will fall. And all of you will have to roll up your taghar and leave.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sangar View Post
              there is nothing to refute. These Parvezis mock ahadith because they believe that we should only believe in Quran. They deny the religious significance of ahadith.

              What's there to refute?

              Just ask this Parvezi, does he really believe in everything that is written in QUran? Does he obey ALlah's every command? Does he believe in every word that is written in QUran?

              He doesn't. Parvezis reject hundreds of ayat of quran. And disbelieve in them.

              I have posted an ebook that refutes this deviant sect and the founder of their deviand ideology. No need for me to refute them when they are already refuted.
              That depends on what you believe is the Sunnah of the prophet. I am not sure who are the Perviz. I am a Quranist.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bigmo View Post
                That depends on what you believe is the Sunnah of the prophet. I am not sure who are the Perviz. I am a Quranist.
                Its the same thing. Quranist & Parvezi are both exactly the same thing. Rejectors of Sunnah.
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                • #9
                  ^ before you accuse them, question them about their faith and ask them about the perception they have about our faith, in that case, I did, he never replied.
                  Da hase janjali khalaq de, da musalanano tar lmanz tafarok achawee....Amda ye kar dai, amda ye wazefa da..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aseer Jaan
                    welcome to our community. Enjoy you stay.

                    D you believe in the Sunnah of our prophet?
                    I believe in the Sunnah of all the prophets with no distinction.

                    2:136 - Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

                    2:285 - The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny."

                    3:84 - Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

                    4:150 - Those who disbelieve in GOD and His messengers, and seek to make distinction among GOD and His messengers, and say, "We believe in some and reject some," and wish to follow a path in between;

                    4:152 - As for those who believe in GOD and His messengers, and make no distinction among them, He will grant them their recompense. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

                    Thats why in the Quran there are over 20 prophets mentioned and talked about. Its teaching us their Sunnah.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bigmo View Post
                      I believe in the Sunnah of all the prophets with no distinction.
                      ''You have indeed in the Messenger* of God an excellent pattern of conduct.'' (33:21)


                      We are advised by Allah Himself to follow Muhammad (PBUH)'s ways, his Sunnah.


                      *Notice the singular use of the word.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Guley View Post
                        ''You have indeed in the Messenger* of God an excellent pattern of conduct.'' (33:21)


                        We are advised by Allah Himself to follow Muhammad (PBUH)'s ways, his Sunnah.


                        *Notice the singular use of the word.

                        Yeah but Guley, I'm not sure if I'd want anyone to follow those Hadiths.... They're all pretty scary.

                        Bukhari, Muslim, Dawood, Tirmidi, Nissai, Ahmed, the Muwataa, etc all need massive amounts of reviewing and fixing.
                        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Guley View Post
                          ''You have indeed in the Messenger* of God an excellent pattern of conduct.'' (33:21)


                          We are advised by Allah Himself to follow Muhammad (PBUH)'s ways, his Sunnah.


                          *Notice the singular use of the word.
                          60.4. There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah. we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": But not when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.

                          You are looking at the Quran verse by verse and not as a whole. Now the Quran gives us example of the Sunnah of Abraham and those with him. We also have this in the end of Jospeh chapter in the Quran:

                          12.111. There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe

                          Notice how the Quran refers to itself and its use of the stroies and examples of the prophets in it as a "detailed exposition of all things".

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                          • #14
                            Dear Bigmo,

                            what was the purpose of Quran being revealed to Hadhrat Muhammad (saw)?
                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                              Yeah but Guley, I'm not sure if I'd want anyone to follow those Hadiths.... They're all pretty scary.

                              Bukhari, Muslim, Dawood, Tirmidi, Nissai, Ahmed, the Muwataa, etc all need massive amounts of reviewing and fixing.
                              It is very easy to distinguish which is correct and which is not. What is your point?
                              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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