How to stop Salafi Jihadism?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Salafism relies on state patronage and funds for growth and expansion. With the Saudi economy now facing long-term problems e.g. decreasing oil supplies but an ever increasing population, the funds for Salafism/Wahabism to be promoted will dry up.

Intellectually, Salafism does not appeal to the professional middle classes of the Muslim world who are vital for the successful functioning of a country.

Salafis and other "Islamists" have been defeated/clamped down on the following Muslim countries:


- Algeria, crushed in the 1990s by the republican Algerian army, 100,000 lives lost.

- Afghanistan, Taliban kicked out of power in 2001.

- Egypt, Morsi's Brotherhood regime kicked out of power.

- Tunisia, the "moderate" diluted Brotherhood branch there, An-Nahda kicked out of power in the recent elections.

- Syria, stopped from taking over power in the country with Iran, Russia and China all working to prevent a Salafi/"Islamist" takeover.

- Bangladesh, "Islamists" kicked out of power in 2006 in the form of the junior coalition partner, the pro-Pakistan Jamaat e Islami. The Jamaat is now being clamped down on severely.

- Malaysia, the main "Islamist" party there is not very big and has lost support in Kelanatan (I know because I have a friend from Kelantan), the most religious state in Malaysia, with people realizing the label "Islamic" is not sufficient and good governance is needed.

- Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrzyghstan: Salafis/Islamists hold no power there and some of the countries there are under the Russian security orbit.

- Gulf, besides Saudi the cradle of Wahabism, none of the GCC states are controlled by "Islamists".

- Turkey, Erdogan's AKP (Milli Gorus) is restricted in what it can do. Alcohol is widespread in Turkey as are pornography, atheism and homosexuality which is becoming more and more prominent in Erdogan's Turkey.

Turkey's first LBGT football team.


"Islamist" groups are useful to America for destabilizing the Muslim world and causing destruction and bloodshed, however like their father the USA, they will be defeated.

[Karachi]

LOL @Karachi

why do you guys not condemn both Sunni extremists AND Shia extremists ? Why are you just hung up on Sunni ones?

Why don't you go to some Iran forum? Or some Desi Shia forum?

Thats because shias are not blowing **** up across the world you idiot. All major terrorist groups are Salafis, Even most Sunnis distance themselves from these Salafi/Wahabi types

[Karachi]

Because kuffar love one another for the sake of their kufr and animosity to islam

just because someone doesn't like these terrorists, he is Kaffir? Very Salafi wahabi of you. Please join your brothers and blow yourself

[Karachi]

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You denying that these groups are not because of Salafi radicalism just shows what a foolish person you are. Forget Isis, what about book haraam, abusayaf in Phillipines and so many other groups, I can give u a whole list of salafi jihadis. You are fooling no one. People like you are very dangerous, I know Salafis are permitted to deceive and lie others for their expansion goals, this is what you do, but again you can't fool anyone any more, because people now know what type of people you are, most non Salafi sunnis are against you. You will be at the wrath of other muslims now, forget kaffirs

[Bengal_Tiger]

just because someone doesn't like these terrorists, he is Kaffir? Very Salafi wahabi of you. Please join your brothers and blow yourself

Shamlawar Khurasani is himself an evidence of the failure of Salafism/Wahabism.

Instead of living in a "pure" Salafi/Wahabi land like his beloved Saudi Arabia he has sought refuge as an immigrant in the Netherlands.

He lives under Dutch laws, obeying the Dutch authorities, having a Dutch passport (presumably with required loyalty to the state) and living under the Dutch flag.

In short he is a b*ch of the Dutch.

He has to behave himself in the Netherlands.

If Wahabism was more successful than Shameless Khurasani would be living in some Wahabi-stan or Wahabi-topia enforcing his "law" over the Dutch or other "infidels" and not the other way round.

He calls people infidels including people that live in Muslim countries whilst living in Amsterdam.



Anyway Salafism is going nowhere.

- Failed in Algeria, where they were crushed.

- Failing in Syria, where they are being bombed to smithereens by the Russians.

- Losing power gradually in their homeland and powerbase, Saudi Arabia.

[Karachi]

Shamlawar Khurasani is himself an evidence of the failure of Salafism/Wahabism.

Instead of living in a "pure" Salafi/Wahabi land like his beloved Saudi Arabia he has sought refuge as an immigrant in the Netherlands.

He lives under Dutch laws, obeying the Dutch authorities, having a Dutch passport (presumably with required loyalty to the state) and living under the Dutch flag.

In short he is a b*ch of the Dutch.

He has to behave himself in the Netherlands.

If Wahabism was more successful than Shameless Khurasani would be living in some Wahabi-stan or Wahabi-topia enforcing his "law" over the Dutch or other "infidels" and not the other way round.

He calls people infidels including people that live in Muslim countries whilst living in Amsterdam.



Anyway Salafism is going nowhere.

- Failed in Algeria, where they were crushed.

- Failing in Syria, where they are being bombed to smithereens by the Russians.

- Losing power gradually in their homeland and powerbase, Saudi Arabia.

A lot of these Salafis love to drink, go to prostitutes and do all evil things, I think this part of their ideology though, this why you find Saudis doing these things across the world

[Bengal_Tiger]

A lot of these Salafis love to drink, go to prostitutes and do all evil things, I think this part of their ideology though, this why you find Saudis doing these things across the world

I haven't heard of Salafis who drink, but have heard of those who had illicit sex (including some senior Salafis).

To be fair though I wouldn't associate Salafism with drink and prostitution, but the ultra-repressive rules it calls for have led to lots of sexual problems in Saudi as you will know since you lived there.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

You denying that these groups are not because of Salafi radicalism just shows what a foolish person you are. Forget Isis, what about book haraam, abusayaf in Phillipines and so many other groups, I can give u a whole list of salafi jihadis. You are fooling no one. People like you are very dangerous, I know Salafis are permitted to deceive and lie others for their expansion goals, this is what you do, but again you can't fool anyone any more, because people now know what type of people you are, most non Salafi sunnis are against you. You will be at the wrath of other muslims now, forget kaffirs

god d-amn you're stupid, boy. Its almost to the point of hilarity. Watch how we dissect your idiotic argument.

Lets take just 1 of the groups you mention based on the writings of a non-retard (aka someone 10,000 times smarter than a slave like you):

Boko in Nigeria.

Origins:

Added to the Western influence in government and administration, was the suspicion of the spread of Christianity in a Northern Nigeria dominated by Islam. As Farouk Chothia commented in a BBC report, "[O]wing to activities of early Christian missionaries who used Western education as a tool for evangelism, it is viewed with suspicion by the local Northern population."

and lets look at one of its predecessor movements:

In the years leading to Nigeria's independence in 1960, there was a popular movement among Northern Nigerians known as the Talakawas[23] -- headed by Aminu Kano, a socialist politician who led an Islamic uprising against British colonialists in the 1940s. Talakawas had as its driving force a distaste for Western influence, and planned to use politics and religion to create a "Northern Nigerian Society of Social Justice, Economic Prosperity and Fairness". A study on the government of Northern Nigeria from 1350-1950 shows that many Talakawas (commoners) in Kano State supported that message to demonstrate disapproval with what they perceived as an unrepresentative government composed of a selected few.[24]
Dissatisfaction with Western influence also led to an emergence of Islamist fundamentalists among people of the Northeastern region of Nigeria. Prominent among them was Mohammed Marwa, a radical preacher also known as Maitatsine ["the one who curses"], notorious for his violent activities during the 1970s and 1980s.[25] Marwa denounced Western influence and technology, and also mainstream Muslim teachers. The riots and armed clashes he instigated, which pitted his followers against police and the army, resulted in the deaths of thousands of people in the country.[26] A BBC report quotes a witness who saw hundreds of people summarily executed, as the Nigerian authorities tried to crush a week-long uprising in December 1980, speaking of the horrific nature Maitatsine's attacks .

And lets look at what the historians say EXACTLY led to the creation of the original Boko:

The reason Mohammed Yusuf founded Boko Haram, according to accounts of Umar Mamodu - an Arabic scholar and Boko Haram historian, appears to be that he saw an opportunity to exploit public outrage at government corruption by linking it to Western influence in governance.[31] Yusuf, according to Mamodu's account, wanted to gather young impressionable minds that had never gotten a fair deal from government; he was fascinated with the idea of destroying the social, political and religious order to create a new order in which the wretched would inherit the earth.[32] This notion has prompted Chris Kwaja, a Nigerian researcher on religion, to assert that "religious dimensions of the conflict have been misconstrued as the primary driver of violence when, in fact, disenfranchisement and inequality are the root causes."[33] Another Nigerian researcher wrote, "A psycho-analysis of the adherents of the sect shows that their major belief is in the full implementation of Sharia law in their respective states. With Sharia fully implemented, there will be social justice, economic prosperity, equality and fairness… Western education is not really there problem…Maladministration is the remote cause.".

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/42...-haram-nigeria

So do I pick to listen to Nigernian historians/academics like Femi Owoladi and Umar Momadu or human suppositories and anal enemas like you whose paradise is being inserted into the anal cavity (via groveling) of Stephen Harper.

And Snowden reporter Greenwald released this excellent summary of the repeated interventions of AFRICOM (US Military) in recent years that is only fanning the radical flames:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/20/...-a-hidden-war/

Boiling down to the result is simple you third rate hack: Its the interventionalism and the local supporters that are creating the blowback.

[Karachi]

god d-amn you're stupid, boy. Its almost to the point of hilarity. Watch how we dissect your idiotic argument.

Lets take just 1 of the groups you mention based on the writings of a non-retard (aka someone 10,000 times smarter than a slave like you):

Boko in Nigeria.

Origins:


and lets look at one of its predecessor movements:

And lets look at what the historians say EXACTLY led to the creation of the original Boko:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/42...-haram-nigeria

So do I pick to listen to Nigernian historians/academics like Femi Owoladi and Umar Momadu or human suppositories and anal enemas like you whose paradise is being inserted into the anal cavity (via groveling) of Stephen Harper.

And Snowden reporter Greenwald released this excellent summary of the repeated interventions of AFRICOM (US Military) in recent years that is only fanning the radical flames:

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/20/...-a-hidden-war/

Boiling down to the result is simple you third rate hack: Its the interventionalism and the local supporters that are creating the blowback.

What does all that have to do with them not being brutal Salafi Jihadists? They are exactly that. US and the west has done lots of wrongs across the world, no one ever has denied that, these groups originally may have had legitimate reasons to be formed, however once they adopted the Salafi ideology, they became evil beyond belief, today they have become monsters, they dont even spare their fellow muslims, what do you say about that you moron?

Also You are a Salafi, you always have been one, always supporting Saudis, only a Salafi can do that. I am pretty sure secret service is already tracking morons like you, you Salafis are lost cause, all muslims hate you and spit on your ideology

Just look at the number of terrorist groups your great ideology has created :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

You are biggest Satan that has destroyed Islam from inside

[Karachi]

I haven't heard of Salafis who drink, but have heard of those who had illicit sex (including some senior Salafis).

To be fair though I wouldn't associate Salafism with drink and prostitution, but the ultra-repressive rules it calls for have led to lots of sexual problems in Saudi as you will know since you lived there.

Well Saudis, gulf arabs drink a lot, obviously many of them are modernized, western worshiping Salafis, but they are part of the wahabhi/salafi domain and you are right about the sex part, they are famous for that, even with men

The reason many young Saudis are loosing interest in Salafi/Wahabhism is because they are finding out how evil it is.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Well Saudis, gulf arabs drink a lot, obviously many of them are modernized, western worshiping Salafis, but they are part of the wahabhi/salafi domain

I don't think that any Tom, **** and Harry that comes from Saudi Arabia and could care less about religion can be classified as a "Salafi". Salafism is a (perverted) form of Islam and doesn't encourage drinking, so drinking can't be blamed on Salafism.

and you are right about the sex part, they are famous for that, even with men

Saudis are well known for raping their Filipino maids as well as lesbianism and homosexuality, this is partly due to the closed nature of their society where gender interaction is totally forbidden.

There are other Muslim races with conservative values and gender segregation, but not the same massive scale of homosexuality as Saudi though.

It could even be partly racial, different families differ biologically and clans, tribes, nations are just greater families. Saudis may have greater levels of testosterone.



Saudi prince who was arrested for killing his "friend" and servant.

The reason many young Saudis are loosing interest in Salafi/Wahabhism is because they are finding out how evil it is

Saudi youth have always disliked conservatism, even in the early 2000s a Saudi told me how the youth "sugghar" (Saudi Arabic, standard is "sighar") in Saudi "do not like Islam", what he probably meant is they disliked religious restrictions as they were wild and pumped up. Obviously when they grow up and calm down biologically they are comfortable with a more conservative lifestyle.

The other problem young Saudis have with Salafi "Islam" is that basically declares everything as "haram" (forbidden), this is why a few years ago an Arab told me that Saudi girls liked listening to the Egyptian speaker Amr Khaled (who no doubt will be declared an infidel by Salafi/Wahabi fanatic Shameless Khurasani), as he had a more emotionally appealing, softer version of Islam.



Amr Khaled.

Watch how Shameless Khurasani, living in the city of drugs and prostitutes, Amsterdam, gets a hard on at the thought of doing "Takfeer" (calling people "kafir" - infidel) which he gets excited about, gives him joy and misses no opportunity to do so, to boost his own identity-crisis ridden ego. Watch how he will probably label Amr Khaled as a "kafir" and "apostate".


Shameless Khurasani =

[Karachi]

^ I agree, the problem with Saudi is that their Royals, and Wahhabis made a partnership long ago that still keeping their country really backwards. Even if (modern) Saudi youth today try to say anything against these two forces of evil (Royals/Wahabhis) they get punished by the state, this is why most Saudis dont try to do anything at all, because they know their end will be death by the state. Of course then there are many blind followers of the Royals and wahabhis like any other country (like pakistan where many people worship army blindly)

A lot of Saudis youth are actually atheist because they know how perverted their Salafi sect is. There was a poll showing up to 19% Saudis calling themselves atheists. These Salafi/Wahabhi nuts are loosing their followers like crazy. I think sooner or later it will over them, because most people naturally in this world want to be sane and not insane, only mental people like these two in this thread are usually attracted to Salafism

[Bengal_Tiger]

^ I agree, the problem with Saudi is that their Royals, and Wahhabis made a partnership long ago that still keeping their country really backwards. Even if (modern) Saudi youth today try to say anything against these two forces of evil (Royals/Wahabhis) they get punished by the state, this is why most Saudis dont try to do anything at all, because they know their end will be death by the state. Of course then there are many blind followers of the Royals and wahabhis like any other country (like pakistan where many people worship army blindly)

A lot of Saudis youth are actually atheist because they know how perverted their Salafi sect is. There was a poll showing up to 19% Saudis calling themselves atheists. These Salafi/Wahabhi nuts are loosing their followers like crazy. I think sooner or later it will over them, because most people naturally in this world want to be sane and not insane, only mental people like these two in this thread are usually attracted to Salafism

1. I think around 0.4 million Saudi youth have gone abroad in the past few years to the west and elsewhere for university study, these are the future doctors, engineers, lawyers, scientists, economists etc, the new Saudi middle class, the new Saudi elite....in fact they are Saudi Arabia.

Without them the country can't run.

Living abroad for a couple of years and seeing *SHOCK* women not covered in black and the sky not falling, and being in more civilized, organized western societies makes them see there is another way to live and want Saudi to ease up and be more like the UAE or Jordan and not the Wahabi-cracy it is now.


2. The Al-Saud tribe has people who are liberals e.g. Waleed bin Talal and his father Talal who also want to lighten up. There are divisions within the Saud tribe itself.



Waleed bin Talal, a liberal amongst the elite influential Saudi princes.

Even the new Saudi no.2 ibn Salman is apparently in favour of some liberalization and to follow the UAE model.

Things are happening now in Saudi which were unthinkable 10 years ago.

3. Muslim countries are developing economically and with higher HDI (Human Development Index) i.e. longer life spans, better food, better health and stronger economies people in Indonesia, Bangladesh etc are less and less prone to wanting fundamentalist rule, or being affected by Saudi funding of Salafists.

[Khostai]

What does all that have to do with them not being brutal Salafi Jihadists? They are exactly that. US and the west has done lots of wrongs across the world, no one ever has denied that, these groups originally may have had legitimate reasons to be formed, however once they adopted the Salafi ideology, they became evil beyond belief, today they have become monsters, they dont even spare their fellow muslims, what do you say about that you moron?

Also You are a Salafi, you always have been one, always supporting Saudis, only a Salafi can do that. I am pretty sure secret service is already tracking morons like you, you Salafis are lost cause, all muslims hate you and spit on your ideology

Just look at the number of terrorist groups your great ideology has created :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

You are biggest Satan that has destroyed Islam from inside

Karachi BA is closet homosexual who was butt****e.d in Kandahar and now works as a janitor in a hospital in USA. he is a hypocrite to the core and also clearly dum. His own sourcess claim that all of the groups arose out of instability and bad governance, this pooves that the groups are nothing more than criminal gangs that abused the situation of the country to get power and influence, like taliban did in Afghanistan and what IS is doing in Syria. None of the groups reprecent the native culture belife system or traditions. But were influenced by the salafi/wahabist dogs of saudis and qataris.

Do not read what he says he is full of shi.t like the toilets that he cleanes day and night. He does not know how to correctly read and understand scientific papers and journals, like a typical traumatized homosexual kuni that he is.

[Badlun]

Maybe so, but I seriously think prophet/sahabas weren't this violent, even in the latter stages in Medina, Isis are violent Salafi criminal thugs, who hide under the name of Islam to do their crimes

Please prove that what Islamic State is doing which Prophet and Sahaba did not do. Prophet destroyed all the statues who were sacred gods for others. Zero tolerance for other religions. They had the same 3 options of conversion, jizya or murder.