Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as)'s last moments

[Khan]

You could not even get out of your own illogical argument. Then you started cursing because you were put in a headlock. tsk...tsk...tsk...

You want his name: 61:6.

I started cursing simply because you deserved it.

Reasons:

- Your misinterpretation of Holy Quran's verses
- Ignoring Ahadith that were evidence of Prophet (PBUH) as the last Prophet and no other person would come after him claiming to be Prophet.
- Dancing like a cheerleader without giving one solid reason.

Last but not the least;

Regarding 61:6

I would like to take this opportunity to do nothing but laugh at your Jaheliat. There are 1.2 to 1.57 billion Muslims even more than that who accept and believe that 61:6 means that Ahmad is the name of Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH), it's not referring to your Mirza ghul. The only people who would disagree is YOUR group of people the ignorant Ahmadis.

Pity on you!

I believe it's the time that PF should see your real face and know that how you translate a verse in a wrong way. May Allah (SWT) guide you otherwise may you rot in hell like your Mirza Ghul.

[Feroza_Banu]

they believe the prophet hood did not end with Muhammad sw, and that prophets will continue coming dajjal miza is supposed to be the greatest of them

Oh i see... so mirza jan is the final one? why is he so special...

No, I say there is another one coming... what do you say meem?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

How many came and died and claimed to be a prophet... don't u know about this memwowmeemnoon?

what do you have to say about bahai people ... Bahai faith originated in Iran from a guy Bab who claimed to be a prophet... we should accept him or Mirza.

and if messangers are to come and go then what made u decide mirza is not the final one there must be another one coming too? right?

The Bahais brought a new religion. Ahmadiyyat is not a new religion.

Prophethood has not ended. It will continue until the last days. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) mentioned of another prophet.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I started cursing simply because you deserved it.

Reasons:

- Your misinterpretation of Holy Quran's verses
- Ignoring Ahadith that were evidence of Prophet (PBUH) as the last Prophet and no other person would come after him claiming to be Prophet.
- Dancing like a cheerleader without giving one solid reason.

Last but not the least;

Regarding 61:6

I would like to take this opportunity to do nothing but laugh at your Jaheliat. There are 1.2 to 1.57 billion Muslims even more than that who accept and believe that 61:6 means that Ahmad is the name of Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH), it's not referring to your Mirza ghul. The only people who would disagree is YOUR group of people the ignorant Ahmadis.

Pity on you!

I believe it's the time that PF should see your real face and know that how you translate a verse in a wrong way. May Allah (SWT) guide you otherwise may you rot in hell like your Mirza Ghul.

Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) was never called Ahmad in his lifetime. NEVER. Ahmad is a quality he had.
Secondly, why would Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) be invited to Islam, as per 61:7?

[Khan]

^ Whoever have taught you Holy Quran, must have been someone really ignorant with no knowledge. Or if you've learned it by yourself then I say you have not learned anything at all. As for the name Ahmad as Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH)'s name, it's truth. Only an Ahmadi would disagree with it and put themselves through disgrace by putting that name on their Mirza ghul.

Read both verses again and see that 61:7 talks about who.

61:6's translation:

And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O Children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad. " But when he said he came to them with clear evidences, they said, " This is obvious magic"


61:7's translation:

And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah untruth while he is being invited to Islam. And Allah does not guide wrongdoing people.


And please do take some English grammar classes as well.

[Khan]

Further details in a simple way for you Momin, this is one can be understood by even a small kid of 6.


وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يبَنِى إِسْرَءِيلَ إِنِّى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقاً لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَىَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّراً بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِى مِن بَعْدِى اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ

Tafseer:

(And when `Isa, son of Maryam, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you, confirming the Tawrah before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.'') `Isa said, "The Tawrah conveyed the glad tidings of my coming, and my coming confirms the truth of the Tawrah.

I convey the glad tidings of the Prophet who will come after me. He is the unlettered, Makkan, Arab Prophet and Messenger, Ahmad.'' `Isa, peace be upon him, is the last and final Messenger from among the Children of Israel. He remained among the Children of Israel for a while, conveying the good news of the coming of Muhammad, whose name is also Ahmad, the Last and Final Prophet and Messenger. After Muhammad, there will be no prophethood or Messengers.

How admirable the Hadith is that Al-Bukhari collected in his Sahih from Jubayr bin Mut`im, who said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah say,

«إِنَّ لِي أَسْمَاءً: أَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، وَأَنَا أَحْمَدُ، وَأَنَا الْمَاحِي الَّذِي يَمْحُو اللهُ بِهِ الْكُفْرَ،وَأَنَا الْحَاشِرُ الَّذِي يُحْشَرُ النَّاسُ عَلَى قَدَمَيَّ، وَأَنَا الْعَاقِب

Translation with Tafseer:

(I have names. I am Muhammad and Ahmad. I am Al-Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate disbelief. I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, with the people being resurrected Hereafter. I am also Al-`Aqib (i.e., there will be no Prophet after me).

Also Muslim collected this Hadith from Az-Zuhri from Jubayr. Muhammad bin Ishaq recorded that Khalid bin Ma`dan said that some Companions of Allah's Messenger said, "O Allah's Messenger! Tell us about yourself.'' He said,

دَعْوَةُ أَبِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَبُشْرَى عِيسَى، وَرَأَتْ أُمِّي حِينَ حَمَلَتْ بِي كَأَنَّهُ خَرَجَ مِنْها نُورٌ أَضَاءَتْ لَهُ قُصُورُ بُصْرَى مِنْ أَرْضِ الشَّام

Tafseer and Translation:

(I am the (result of the) invocation made to Allah from my father Ibrahim and the good news `Isa delivered. When my mother was pregnant with me, she had a dream in which she saw a light emanating from her that radiated the palaces of Busra in Ash-Sham.''


This Hadith has a good chain of narration that is supported by other similar narrations. Imam Ahmad recorded that Al-`Irbad bin Sariyah said, "The Messenger of Allah said,

إِنِّي عِنْدَ اللهِ لَخَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ، وَإِنَّ آدَمَ لَمُنْجَدِلٌ فِي طِينَتِهِ، وَسَأُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِأَوَّلِ ذَلِكَ: دَعْوَةُ أَبِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَبِشَارَةُ عِيسَى بِي، وَرُؤْيَا أُمِّي الَّتِي رَأَتْ، وَكَذَلِكَ أُمَّهَاتُ النَّبِيِّينَ يَرَيْن

(I was written with Allah as the Last and Final of the Prophet, even when Adam was still clay. I will tell of the first good news announcing my advent, the (result of the) invocation to Allah made from my father Ibrahim, the good news `Isa conveyed, and the dream that my mother saw. The mothers of all Prophets see similar dreams.'')


Regarding 61:7

وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُوَ يُدْعَى إِلَى الإِسْلاَمِ

Tafseer and translation:

And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allah, while he is being invited to Islam) meaning, none is more unjust than he who lies about Allah and calls upon rivals and associates partners with Him, even while he ( The word "He" is not referred to Mohammad PBUH) is being invited to Tawhid and sincerely worshipping Him.





Hopefully you don't ignore this post like the other ones. Read it before you post any meaningless question again.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

His name was never Ahmad. He was never called Ahmad, just like he was never called those other names. In the Hudaybiyyah Treaty he clearly wrote his name: Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. Show me where in the Quran it is written Muhammad Ibn Abdulllah? Plus, why would people be inviting Hadhrat Muhamamd (saw) towards Islam when he brought Islam?

Stop and ponder.

[Khan]

^ You didn't read my previous post and as usual came up with childish comments. I wrote it in plain English that it's understandable to a 6 year old kid.


إِنَّ لِي أَسْمَاءً: أَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، وَأَنَا أَحْمَدُ، وَأَنَا الْمَاحِي الَّذِي يَمْحُو اللهُ بِهِ الْكُفْرَ،وَأَنَا الْحَاشِرُ الَّذِي يُحْشَرُ النَّاسُ عَلَى قَدَمَيَّ، وَأَنَا الْعَاقِب

Translation with Tafseer:

(I have names. I am Muhammad and Ahmad. I am Al-Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate disbelief. I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, with the people being resurrected Hereafter. I am also Al-`Aqib (i.e., there will be no Prophet after me). Sahi Bukhari

Now you stop making circles on the questions answered before.

[Khan]

وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُوَ يُدْعَى إِلَى الإِسْلاَمِ

Tafseer and translation:

And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allah, while he is being invited to Islam) meaning, none is more unjust than he who lies about Allah and calls upon rivals and associates partners with Him, even while he ( The word "He" is not referred to Mohammad PBUH) is being invited to Tawhid and sincerely worshipping Him.

[Khan]

And For God's sake do read the posts then come to a conclusion. The things mentioned in that post are easy to grasp just as a piece of cake is easy to eat. They are the answer to your questions.

[شمله ور خراساني]

وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنِ افْتَرَى عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُوَ يُدْعَى إِلَى الإِسْلاَمِ

Tafseer and translation:

And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against Allah, while he is being invited to Islam) meaning, none is more unjust than he who lies about Allah and calls upon rivals and associates partners with Him, even while he ( The word "He" is not referred to Mohammad PBUH) is being invited to Tawhid and sincerely worshipping Him.

Long time ago, before MOmin came out of the closet and revealed his kufr, he was promoting a lie that nationalism is part of iman. When I confronted him he just changed the meaning of the statement and claimed that it is supported by quran.

This pattern of lies and fabrications against allah and his messenger saww by this qadiani person was so disturbing, that when he revealed his kufr by coming out of the closet and revealing his qadianism I was not really surpired.

It was quite weird though.

But reflecting to the discussions I had with him, It all makes sense now.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

61:7

Why would someone be who is not inventing anything against be invited back to Islam? That is what the verse is communicating.

Because his opponents fail to realize that he is speaking the truth.

The Ahmadiyyat Community is growing. Allah Ta'ala would have destroyed it if it was an invention against Allah.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Before you get all excited, reflect upon the verse.

[Khan]

61:7

Why would someone be who is not inventing anything against be invited back to Islam? That is what the verse is communicating.

Because his opponents fail to realize that he is speaking the truth.

The Ahmadiyyat Community is growing. Allah Ta'ala would have destroyed it if it was an invention against Allah.

You are not making any sense. Read it again. and if it's still not understandable take some English classes.

[Khan]

When the meanining and the real purpose of the verse is clear, who are you to say what it is trying to communicate? Stop acting like Shakespear. You can bring the members who have always favored you in your discussions to see what the verse communicates otherwise shame on you.