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  • #31
    I have listened there were debates between Mirza Qadyani and Hazrat Peer Mehr Ali Shah Golravi (Rehmat Ullah Alieh). Ur mirza sab was not able to answer his divine grace!
    What do u say about that MOMIN brother?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Son of Mountains View Post
      I have listened there were debates between Mirza Qadyani and Hazrat Peer Mehr Ali Shah Golravi (Rehmat Ullah Alieh). Ur mirza sab was not able to answer his divine grace!
      What do u say about that MOMIN brother?
      If I gave you a book he wrote about that, would you read it? It is in Urdu.
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #33
        ^ I m always open minded to know about others....yes share that book here please
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        • #34
          Beloved brother!

          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
            Come forward. Khan ran away, akbarkhan was useless, Saif ul Haqq is not where to be seen, inqilab just copies and pastes. sangar is just a cheerleader, abubaker catches sangar when he falls.

            I am still here. I have gone no where.

            Come, step up to the plate.

            LOL @ run away

            I didn't run away. You kept on nagging on one thing and kept on refusing my questions. Just like you did in Afghan forums. But I gotta salute your nerve to translate Holy Quran's verses for your own benefits and means.

            You didn't answer one simple question Where is Mirza Ghulam's name mentioned in Holy Quran? It's a known fact to the billions of the Muslims that Ahmadis are the cheapest sector on the face of earth by making false claims but still I ignored it and asked you to show me his name in Holy Quran or ahadith. Just like Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)'s name is mentioned in Holy Quran and Ahadith.

            But as usual, you either danced like a cheerleader, made Tafseer of verses out of your mind or came up with unrelated points.


            On a sidenote, I did mind someone calling the Mods in here Kaafir but not now. Because they call themselves a Muslim yet they allow someone to come up with propagandas against Prophet (PBUH), Allah (SWT), Quran and Islam inorder to mislaead others.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
              Dear, Please do not mind my words but i m really expressing which is in my mind.

              i downloaded that book, could read 1st 16 pages only, then i lost my interest as I found nothing prominant about Pir Mehr Ali Shah Golrawi (Rehmat Ullah Alehi). It reminded me the words of my Baba jee, which I want to quote for you....but before that quote, i want u to know the physiology of your soul.

              It contains 6 lataif (in Tasawaf), Latefa nafsi, Latefa qalbi, Latefa roohi, Latefa sari, Latefa Khafi and Latefa akhfa. Every 2 Lataif collectively make 1 Rooh or Nafss (so there are 3 Roohs or Nafss, i.e., Nafs-e-Ammara, Nafs-e-Lawama and Nafse-e-Mutmainna).
              If you have a bayat and your Murshid has a strong realtion with you, then in every case, he will pass you through proper chennel of Lataif.

              Now I quote from my Baba jaan, about Qadyani sab:

              "Mirza qadyani was bayat in qadriya sisila firstly, but rather passing from proper channel (Nafsi to Qalbi), his Latefa Qalbi awakened first. If this happens, then Shaytan comes in the guise of Farishta and mislead you. same happened with Qadyani. Actually sheytan came before him all the time and he started to believe him as Farishta."

              I again apologize if my words caused any offence to u MWMIN jana
              Last edited by Son of Mountains; 08-13-2010, 01:39 PM.
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              • #37
                تعارف پیژندګلو



                • مرزا غلام احمد قادیانې څوک وو؟

                • د سیالکوټ په طرف د مرزا تښییدل
                  حکیم نورالدین بهیروی
                  دغلام احمد قادیانی دنبوت دعویٰ
                  د مرزا غلام دعویٰ چه د نبوت دروازه تر اوسه پوری خلاصه وه
                  د مرزا غلام دعویٰ چه هغه نبی او رسول دې او په هغه وحی رانازلیږی.
                  په نورو نبیانو د خپل فضیلت او اوچتوالی غرور اوتکبر
                  د هغه دعویٰ چه د خدائ ځوئی دې او په فخر کول او دا چه د هغه مقام د عرش د پاسه دې


                  د امت محمدیه دا پریکړه(فیصله) چه محمد خاتم المرسلین وو او په محمدص پسې بل نبی نه راځی او دا چه څوک هم د دې پریکړی انکار کوی هغه به کافر وی.
                  د خاتم النبیین قادیانی تفسیر
                  د مرزا دعویٰ چه ټولو نبیانو د مرزا د نبوت ګواهی ورکړی
                  نزول او د رفع مسیح په باره کښې د مرزا متضاد بیانونه
                  د ملائیکود نزول په حقله د مرزا بیان او دا چه مرزاغلام احمد د الله مټ (لاس) دې .
                  په هندوستان کښې د انګریزانو دشاهی وکټوریه حکومت سره وفاداری او د جهاد نه کولو ترغیب

                  د قادیان ښار ته ورتګ لکه د حج زیارت برابر او د هغه د جمات لکه د مسجداقصٰی جمات او مرزا پخپله لکه حجر اسودپه شان مبارک دې.
                  دمرزا د الهام دعویٰ او په دغه بنیاد په قرآن مجید کښې د بدلون راوستلو مثالونه
                  د قادیانی فرقے په هندوانو کښې د خوښولو کوششونه او د هندوانو په رضا کیدل او خوشحالیدل.
                  د قادیانیت او اسلام تر مینځه اختلافات
                  د مرزا غلام احمد دا بیان چه د مرزاغلام احمد خدائ ، رسول او قرآن هغه نه دې کوم چه د مسلمانانو دې .
                  د علامه محمد اقبال دا بیان چه قادیانان د اسلام نه دومره لرې دی لکه څومره چه سیکهان د هندووانو د مذهب نه لرې دی.

                  لاهوری جمات منونکی څوک دی؟ او د هغوئی باطلې عقیدې څه رنګه دی؟

                شروع کوم په نامه د هغه خدائی چه بخونکې مهربان دې



                درود په خاتم الاانبیا محمد الرسول الله
                قادیانی یا احمدی هغه مذهب دې چه په هندوستان کښې په وخت مینځ ته راغلو کله چه د هندوستان مسلمانانو د انګریزانو د هند نه د ویستلو پورا عزم او تابیا کړې وه
                انګریزانو ته فکر شو او د مسلمانانو د جوش کمولو او د هغو ئی تر مینځه د نفاق او تقسیم راوستلو د پاره دغه مذهب تشکیل کړی شو او د مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی نومی سړی څوک چه د یو مسلمان په کور کښې پیدا شوې وو په وساطت ئې اعلان کړو.

                د دغه مذهب بنیادی مقصد د مسلمانانو تر مینځه
                اسلامی اخوت ختمول او د جهاد خلاف یوه پروپیګنډا خورول وو چه خلق د انګریزی استبداد مخالفت پریږدی او په خپلو کښې تقسیم شی .
                مرزا غلام آځمد قادیانی دعوی وکړه چه د وحی سلسله بنده نه ده.او ما ته دا وحی شوې ده چه جهاد موقوف شوې دې او انګریزان حاکمان چه الله پاک هندوستان ته د رحمت په طور رالیږلی دی د دوئی او تر مینځ س صلح کولو په خاطر الله پاک زه یعنی مرزا غلام په خاص توګه مقرر کړې شوې دې.

                غلام احمد قادیانی څوک وو؟

                غلام احمد قادیانی د ځان په حقله په خپل کتاب استفتاء کوم چه 1378 ھ کښې په نصرت پریس ربوه کښې چهاپ شوې ووپه صفحه ۷۲ لیکی چه


                زما نوم غلام احمد ابن مرزا غلام مرتضیٰ ابن مرزا عطا محمد دې،زما پلار ما ته وئیلی وو چه زمونږ نیکونه د مغلو د نسل څخه وو،خو خدائی پاک په ما وحی نازل کړه او دا معلومه شوه چه مونږ مغل ترکیان نه یو بلکه ایرانی نژاد یو.
                او ما ته زما رب دا هم وئیلی دی چه زمونږ په اسلافو کښې بعضې زنانه د فاطمې د اولادۀ څخه وې.او ما د خپل پلاره څخه دا اوریدلی وو چه هندوستان ته د راتلو نه وړاندې زمونږ خاندان په سمرقند کښې اوسیدلو.

                مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی په ۱۸۳۵ یا ۱۸۳۹ یا شائد په ۱۸۴۰کښې د پنجاب په قادیان نومې قصبه کښې پیدا شوې وو
                په وړوکوالی کښې څو د فارسئ او صرف نحو کتابونه لوستی وو او بیا ئی د طبابت کتابونه هم مطالعه کړل.
                لیکن د وړوکوالی راسې مرزا بیمار وو نو په دغه سبب ئې تعلم پوره نه کړو. مرزا صیب هم د دوئی د یو کتاب تر مخه د مالیخولیه بیماری هم وه چه اکثر د زنانوؤ وی او پیریان غوندی په راځی..


                سیلکوټ ته تښتیدل.

                یوه ورځ د ځوانئ په ورځو کښې*مرزا د نیکه پنشن اخیستو د پاره خپل کور والا ښار ته ولیږلو .په دغه وخت مرزا سره د هغه ملګرې امام دین هم وو.چه کله ئې د پنشن روپئی واخیستې نو ملګری امام دین ورته اوئیل چه راځه چه په دغه پیسو څه عیش عشرت وکړو..مرزا په لږ وخت کښې هغه روپئی وخوړې..امام دین په خپله لاره لاړو او مرزا د کور د یرې سیالکوټ ته وتښتیدو.

                مرزا په سیالکوټ کښې* د عدالت نه بهر د محررپه حیث کار پئیل کړو او په ۱۵ روپئ میاشت معاوضه به ئې د عریضو نقلونه لیکل.

                بقول د مرزا هغه په سیالکوټ کښې د ماښامی مال د یو انګریزی سکول کښې هم داخل شو .هلته ده د انګریزئ زده کړې یو کتاب دوه اوئیل او بیا د قانون په امتحان کښې کښیناستو خو هغه په دغه امتحان کښې فیل شو.

                څلور کاله پس مرزا د سیلکوټ نه لاړو او خپلپلار سره ئې کار پئیل کړو،چا چه د وکالت کار کولو.دلته مرزا په اسلام باندې اعتراضونه او بحثونه او مباحثې شروع کړې او اعلان ئې وکړو چه هغه به ېو ستر کتاب لیکی چه نوم به ئې براهین احمدیه وی. او په دغه کتاب کښې به ،په اسلام باندې اعتراضونه کوی.
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                حکیم نور الدین بُهیروی

                نور الدین په کال ۱۲۵۸ ه مطابق کال ۱۸۴۱ ع دپنجاب په ضلع شاه پورکښې په بُهیره نومی ښار کښې پیدا شوې وو چه نن صبا ورته سرګودها وائی.
                نورالدین د فارسئ ،عربئ او خطاطی تعلیم حاصل کړو.

                ۱۸۵۸ کښې د راولپنډئ په یو سرکاری سکول کښی ئې د فارسئ د معلم په حیث کار پئیل کړو بیا وروستو د پرائمری سکول سر معلم شو او څه څلور کاله وروستو ئې دغه معلمی پریخوه، او مطالعه ته ئې زور ورکړو.څه موده پس حکیم د رامپور نه لکهنؤ ته لاړو او بیا په کال ۱۲۸۵ه کښې حجاز ته لاړو هلته په مدینه منوره کښې د حکیم نورالدین ملاقات د شیخ رحمت الله هندی او شیخ عبدالغنی مجددی سره وشو.
                بیا وروستو حکیم وطن ته راغلو او مناظرې ئې شروع کړې.
                او د خلقو په مینځ کښې ښه مشهور شو.
                لږه موده پس حکیم په جموکشمیر کښې د سرکاری طبیب په حیث وټاکل شو خو په ۱۸۹۳ کښې د کار نه اویستلې شو-
                په جمو کښې ده ملاقات د مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی سره وشو.دواړه دوستان شول او هر کله مرزا براهین احمدیه نومې کتاب ولیکلو نو حکیم هم د تصدیق براهین نومې کتاب ولیکلو.




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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Khan View Post
                  LOL @ run away

                  I didn't run away. You kept on nagging on one thing and kept on refusing my questions. Just like you did in Afghan forums. But I gotta salute your nerve to translate Holy Quran's verses for your own benefits and means.

                  You didn't answer one simple question Where is Mirza Ghulam's name mentioned in Holy Quran? It's a known fact to the billions of the Muslims that Ahmadis are the cheapest sector on the face of earth by making false claims but still I ignored it and asked you to show me his name in Holy Quran or ahadith. Just like Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)'s name is mentioned in Holy Quran and Ahadith.

                  But as usual, you either danced like a cheerleader, made Tafseer of verses out of your mind or came up with unrelated points.


                  On a sidenote, I did mind someone calling the Mods in here Kaafir but not now. Because they call themselves a Muslim yet they allow someone to come up with propagandas against Prophet (PBUH), Allah (SWT), Quran and Islam inorder to mislaead others.
                  You could not even get out of your own illogical argument. Then you started cursing because you were put in a headlock. tsk...tsk...tsk...

                  You want his name: 61:6.
                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Son of Mountains View Post
                    Dear, Please do not mind my words but i m really expressing which is in my mind.

                    i downloaded that book, could read 1st 16 pages only, then i lost my interest as I found nothing prominant about Pir Mehr Ali Shah Golrawi (Rehmat Ullah Alehi). It reminded me the words of my Baba jee, which I want to quote for you....but before that quote, i want u to know the physiology of your soul.

                    It contains 6 lataif (in Tasawaf), Latefa nafsi, Latefa qalbi, Latefa roohi, Latefa sari, Latefa Khafi and Latefa akhfa. Every 2 Lataif collectively make 1 Rooh or Nafss (so there are 3 Roohs or Nafss, i.e., Nafs-e-Ammara, Nafs-e-Lawama and Nafse-e-Mutmainna).
                    If you have a bayat and your Murshid has a strong realtion with you, then in every case, he will pass you through proper chennel of Lataif.

                    Now I quote from my Baba jaan, about Qadyani sab:

                    "Mirza qadyani was bayat in qadriya sisila firstly, but rather passing from proper channel (Nafsi to Qalbi), his Latefa Qalbi awakened first. If this happens, then Shaytan comes in the guise of Farishta and mislead you. same happened with Qadyani. Actually sheytan came before him all the time and he started to believe him as Farishta."

                    I again apologize if my words caused any offence to u MWMIN jana

                    You should read the whole book, for it was written for him.
                    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                    • #40
                      Can a u all stick to one thread please.......so many threads and same discussion going on.....sincere request to stick to one thread Please....and Momin as mentioned one post of urs (even i dont remember which thread as u people make and change threads so often) Ahmad is mentioned in Quran....

                      see Momin you have interprted the Quran basedon ur beliefs....Ahmad is one of the name of prophet Muhommad (Saw)....show me 1 place please where Ghulam Mirza Ahmad Qadiyani is mentioned.....If prophet Muhammad's full name is mentioned than his name will also be there (acc. to your belief that is the last prophet)..

                      Also Momin....u always have asked us to get verses from the Quran to back all that we say and u have many a times referred to videos (and even posted) for us to understand and believe what u talk...is this fair...

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                      • #41
                        Momin

                        I had a very good impression of yours but once I saw you defending Ahmadiyat with non sense arguments then I lost the whole impression.

                        We discussed it in the other thread that your support for Mirza Ghulam as a prophet, Mehdi and Messiah at the same time with out all those signs of Mehdi and Messiah, then just mentioning of only Ahmad in the Quran and making it Mirza Ghulam, and making Qadyan, thousands of miles away from Syria but its being just in the same line in the map and other such non sense arguments are not appropriate for you being an intelligent and sincere person.

                        Just embrace Islam, leave the kuffr of Qadyaniyat or Ahmadiyat or advise all Ahmadis that they may stop calling themselves Muslims and may establish a new religion. Remember Muslims will never never compromise on the finality of the prophethood of Muhamamd and they will never never accept Mirza Ghulam as a prophet, messiah and mahdi at the same time. Your efforts to make Muslims as Ahmadis are futile. Dont waste your energies on this useless exercise. Invest your time and energy on some useful venture.

                        Believing in Mirza Ghulam as prophet or no prophet will make no difference if already we have Muhammad with complete religious guidance. i dont feel any need of a new prophet. Yes reformers and scholars are needed but not prophets.

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                        • #42
                          How many topics are there dedicated to wasting time with an ahmadi? Wat is this nonsense....If you wanna argue about ahmadi just open up one thread and talk 24/7 about it. We get one topic calling an apostate as Hazrat Mirzat..tobah. Then other topics argue with meem watever, then ten other threads about this rubbish..
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                          • #43
                            Osho, and the rest,

                            the verse then says: that that Prophet would be invited towards Islam 6:7. How could Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) be invited towards Islam?
                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • #44
                              How many came and died and claimed to be a prophet... don't u know about this memwowmeemnoon?

                              what do you have to say about bahai people ... Bahai faith originated in Iran from a guy Bab who claimed to be a prophet... we should accept him or Mirza.

                              and if messangers are to come and go then what made u decide mirza is not the final one there must be another one coming too? right?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Feroza_Banu View Post
                                How many came and died and claimed to be a prophet... don't u know about this memwowmeemnoon?

                                what do you have to say about bahai people ... Bahai faith originated in Iran from a guy Bab who claimed to be a prophet... we should accept him or Mirza.

                                and if messangers are to come and go then what made u decide mirza is not the final one there must be another one coming too? right?

                                they believe the prophet hood did not end with Muhammad sw, and that prophets will continue coming dajjal miza is supposed to be the greatest of them

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