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  • #16
    Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
    Wow...so now you say freedom of religion is secularism...lol.Seriously taking out religion from official matters ,whats left for people to judge their crimes,marriage laws,civil laws and moral practices on?? People need religion for their daily practices and dealings as much as the true freedom of religion could ve been in govt.

    Eugenics is the creation of secularism.Infact secularism is rising now as a radical force.
    Wow you stupidity amases me, of course freedom of relligion is secularism, especially if you live in a country with multiple relligions and ethnic groups, and also if a lot of people don't belive in God, why should they follow the Quran or the Bibel? Morality can be formed without relligion, their are many philosophic branches in this world that don't need God to explain their behavour, Secularism means freedom and not to be opressen by people like you who want to show their own version of Islam on others.

    With groups like taliban IS Boko Haram, secularism is the only way to ensure thos aes will not take control and opress other people.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ghumbasa View Post
      Eugenics*
      Introduction to Eugenics:

      The principal manifestations of eugenics are racism and abortion; eugenics
      is the basis for "scientific racism" and laid the foundation for legalizing
      abortion. It is the driving force behind euthanasia, in vitro fertilization,
      and embryo and fetal research. It is the driving force in global population
      policy, which is a key element in American foreign policy. It is the force
      driving much of the environmentalist movement, welfare policy, welfare
      reform, and health care. It is found in anthropology, sociology,
      psychology-all the social sciences. It is reflected in much American
      literature, especially science fiction. So it is worth some study.
      DEFINITION:
      Eugenics is the study of methods to improve the human race by controlling
      reproduction. The word was coined in 1883 by Francis Galton, a cousin of
      Charles Darwin. Galton believed that the proper evolution of the human race
      was thwarted by philanthropic outreach to the poor: misguided charity
      encouraged the "unfit" to bear more children. This upset the mechanism of
      natural selection. Hence, the human race needed a kind of artificial
      selection, which he called "eugenics."



      Example:
      Galton's suggestion that eugenics should function as a religion was ehoed by
      George Bernard Shaw, Bertrand Russel and others.3 A pungent assertion of the
      religious character of eugenics comes from Julian Huxley, the first
      Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural
      Organization (UNESCO) and a member of the Eugenics Society: "We must face
      the fact that now, in this year of grace, the great majority of human beings
      are substandard: they are undernourished, or ill, or condemned to a
      ceaseless struggle for bare existence; they are imprisoned in ignorance or
      superstition. We must see to it that life is no longer a hell paved with
      unrealized opportunity. In this light, the highest and most sacred duty of
      man is seen as the proper utilization of the untapped resources of human
      beings."
      This say nothing about secularism or what so ever, people enslaved killed and commited genocide in the name of relligion for centuries.
      Even today Quran allows slavery and killing of other people who are not muslims, hence the reason that ISIS is enslaving and uses the women of minorities as sex slaves, so what is the diffrence between killing a man becuase he has diffrent faith and killing a man becuase he has a diffrent skin color?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
        This say nothing about secularism or what so ever, people enslaved killed and commited genocide in the name of relligion for centuries.
        Even today Quran allows slavery and killing of other people who are not muslims, hence the reason that ISIS is enslaving and uses the women of minorities as sex slaves, so what is the diffrence between killing a man becuase he has diffrent faith and killing a man becuase he has a diffrent skin color?
        Secularism:

        Secularism is the separation of state and religion. It is the exclusion or rejection of religion from political or civil affairs of the state. Being an ancient belief of some ancient Greek and Roman philosophers like Marcus Aurelius it has developed and expanded to reach different corners of the world. However, the term “secularism” is relatively new as it was first mentioned or coined by the British writer George Holyoake in 1851. In the 1700’s different writers and philosophers of the Enlightenment Age had proposed its application in society. High Renaissance authors also gave rise to secularism and idealism in their works formed from Classicism, but it was mostly in historical rather than artistic and architectural works. Thus, secularism was formally “born” or started during the Renaissance but found a sure footing in the 18th century during the Age of Reason.
        The concept and its application grew stronger with the French revolution carrying until today. The most secular states in contemporary times have more than doubled the number of non-secular states. However, some secular states do not apply it fully and still observe some religious idiosyncrasies like holidays. Some states, however, do not have a defined state religion because of different practices of a large number of its citizens. For example, Nigeria has Islam, Christianity and other Traditional religions-- but not as much as the first two- as the official religions of the nation. The entire nation observes both Islamic and Christian holidays and puts aside money in its budget for different purposes for this religion. Hence, secularism has had a boost in the last two to three centuries...(taken from pro secular source).
        Last edited by ghumbasa; 12-16-2014, 04:54 AM.
        sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

        And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
          Wow you stupidity amases me, of course freedom of relligion is secularism, especially if you live in a country with multiple relligions and ethnic groups, and also if a lot of people don't belive in God, why should they follow the Quran or the Bibel? Morality can be formed without relligion, their are many philosophic branches in this world that don't need God to explain their behavour, Secularism means freedom and not to be opressen by people like you who want to show their own version of Islam on others.

          With groups like taliban IS Boko Haram, secularism is the only way to ensure thos aes will not take control and opress other people.
          Secularism cannot be apllied to constitutions neither to society.The laws of marriage,divorce,punishments,emotional sentiments like apostasy or mockery of any religion,birth,abortions,ethics etc all doesnt fit into a secular society.You ve to go for religions to solve these matters.Secularism according to many experts is itself a new religion but radical one.
          sigpic"When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" (2.11)

          And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not."(2.13)

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