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[BarakzaiAbdali]

Is this hadith false that The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage?

Read the Ibn Saad and Hanbali hadith referenced by Nabia Abbott; the Prophet spoke to Abu Bakr after Khawla. The Bukhari hadith complements these stories and describes the denouement of the sequence of events. Nice try to deflect though it wont work.

Is brotherhood other than the blood brother are not the same? Brother in faith or foster brother , both are not sons of the same father.

Don't play coy and idiotic. The Quranic ayah (4:23) that the Prophet was basing his decision off of when noting his relationship to Hamza was:

Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), and their daughters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-

The Quran clearly delineates the suckling relationship as a special sort of relationship above simple spiritual brotherhood. If you did not know this then as stated, you need to go read some books for once and stop spewing useless and senseless garbage.



What is the definition of Sunna? Is it not what prophet did and hadith what prophet said? Prophet married a child, thus it is what he did and thus it is Sunna?

Answer the prior posts and once you have sufficiently done so we can let you open up more red herrings. For now, we await your answers to the aforementioned posts

Do you say that child marriage is not allowed in Islam?

Once again, answer the prior posts and once you have sufficiently done so we can let you open up more red herrings. For now, we await your answers to the aforementioned posts

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[Badlun]

No one knows who first talked Khawla or Muhamamd himself but if we say Muhammad talked later, still he asked for her. It was not a totally arranged matter. If still it was arranged , he went for it. He was not forced to engage with a 6 years old girl and then marry her later. Marriage means sex and imagine sex of 54 with 9. however this was his personal matter and something limited to that time if not copied by Muslims.

Why brotherhood by suckling is so much important? Is there any scientific explanation for it? For me every brotherhood other than the parental one has symbolic or emotional value, nothing else.

I hope replies for my other questions mentioned above.

[کیش]

Your grandma married at 11, so will you also go for it or will like it for your children or grandchildren too?

I'm a little older than 11

And do you think why it happens in our society. Because people want to follow the prophetic example of marrying a child and consider it normal or even Sunna.

No they do it because it's considered normal.

My question about this era is that why just after the death of the holy prophet Ali had to fight Ayesha and why Yazeed had to kill Hussain? Why the Islamic spirit of brotherhood disappeared in such a short period of time?

Yazid was a usurper who had no right to proclaim anything, like his dad. That is why he had no problem slaughtering the Prophets unarmed family.

Ali didn't fight Ayesha. Talha and Zubayr instigated Ayesha to challenge Ali because they were power hungry. Ali was the rightful Khalifah, and waited patiently for it.

Read more books

[Khostai]

Bottom line is you argued, like a moron, that nowhere in codified law or in examples was it accepted. Multiple examples and even the DIRECT midieval law were given. Now that I am done kicking your ass and cleaning your toilet mouth, can you provide some better argument?

As a toiletcleaner you resort to name calling, I didn't expect anything from you brainless wahabi savage mullah. I have proven that you just produce ghual, please educated yourself and stop being a paishe to your US master, they don't need you anymore, they have enough of you, you are now only good for cleaning toilets. so stick to it.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

As a toiletcleaner you resort to name calling, I didn't expect anything from you brainless wahabi savage mullah. I have proven that you just produce ghual, please educated yourself and stop being a paishe to your US master, they don't need you anymore, they have enough of you, you are now only good for cleaning toilets. so stick to it.

Lol, Khostai I keep telling you I am not your dentist, hence I cannot be a feces infested toilet cleaner. I know the floating stools have caused a lot of decay in that garbage mouth of yours, but you will have to visit a dentist to get that toilet mouth of yours cleaned!

You have proven nothing. You just are writhing in agony over the fact that you made dumb-as-s assertions based on your presuppositions and got your as-s handed to you when you offered it to us on a platter.

I especially liked my reference to Gratian, the influential founder of Canon Law in Medieval Europe that seems to have gotten you all in a tizzy.

[Badlun]

so Qais you are blaming in such strong words the mother of the Muslims Ayesha and the companions of the prophet by saying that

Talha and Zubayr instigated Ayesha to challenge Ali because they were power hungry

[کیش]

so Qais you are blaming in such strong words the mother of the Muslims Ayesha and the companions of the prophet by saying that

Talha and Zubayr instigated Ayesha to challenge Ali because they were power hungry

No not really. Everything is written. You're the one making up lies about her marriage, the mother of the Muslims.

Talha and Zubayr knew Ayesha didn't like Ali because he told the Prophet to divorce her from the Necklace incident. So they did instigate a now fatherless young widow. Both Talha and Zubayr knew they made a horrible mistake during the battle, and tried to flee but was caught and killed for their actions.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

No one knows who first talked Khawla or Muhamamd himself

Wrong. We do know per that reference from Hanbal and Ibn Saad Professor Abbott provides in her wonderful biography of Aisha. She clearly includes the Bukhari hadith in the sequential narrative and starts out her paragraph with:

Though the advantages of a marriage between Mohammad and the Family of Abu Bakr may have been early and readily evident to both parties, yet it seems that neither of them was the first to conceive the idea of a marriage between the elderly Mohammad and the child Aisha. Tradition generally credits a maternal aunt of Mohammad, Khawlah Bint Hakim (1,2) with putting the idea in Mohammad's head... She was close enough to him to feel free to suggest that he marry again.
"Whom Shall I marry O Khawlah? You women are the best knowing in these matters," answered Mohammad.
"If you wish a virgin, there is the daughter of him whom you love best, Aisha Bint Abi Bakr; but if you wish a nonvirgin, there is the widow Sawdah bint Zamah who believed in you and followed you."
"Go" said Mohammad "Bespeak them both for me"

She notes subsequently that

So Khawlah went on her congenial mission first to the house of Abu Bakr, where she broke the news to Aisha's mothers who deferred the matter to her husband. Abu Bakr seemed uncertain as to the propriety or even legality of marrying his daughter to his "brother" Mohammad. Mohammad, however, hastened to ease his mind by reminding him that they were brothers in faith only.

but if we say Muhammad talked later, still he asked for her. It was not a totally arranged matter. If still it was arranged , he went for it. He was not forced to engage with a 6 years old girl and then marry her later.

Once again, an agreement in his era was not abnormal, proven per above.

Marriage means sex and imagine sex of 54 with 9. however this was his personal matter and something limited to that time if not copied by Muslims.

Why brotherhood by suckling is so much important? Is there any scientific explanation for it? For me every brotherhood other than the parental one has symbolic or emotional value, nothing else.

How you view it is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is that you alleged the Prophet had dubious ethics and was exercising moral relativism in refusing Hamza's daughter. This is out of line and he himself explained his reasoning which accorded with the ayaat banning such a marriage to occur. If he actually were using flexible ethics then he would have found a reason to engage in the marriage.

I hope replies for my other questions mentioned above.

Will do.

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[Khostai]

Lol, Khostai I keep telling you I am not your dentist, hence I cannot be a feces infested toilet cleaner. I know the floating stools have caused a lot of decay in that garbage mouth of yours, but you will have to visit a dentist to get that toilet mouth of yours cleaned!

You have proven nothing. You just are writhing in agony over the fact that you made dumb-as-s assertions based on your presuppositions and got your as-s handed to you when you offered it to us on a platter.

I especially liked my reference to Gratian, the influential founder of Canon Law in Medieval Europe that seems to have gotten you all in a tizzy.

I don't read what you write, because its 100% ghaul, but I have to say you are a real sad person, I really pitty you. I hope everything will be ok, and don't be ashamed being a toilet cleaner and ghulam to your home country USA. There are many like you, you are not alone lol

[کیش]

I don't read what you write, because its 100% ghaul, but I have to say you are a real sad person, I really pitty you. I hope everything will be ok, and don't be ashamed being a toilet cleaner and ghulam to your home country USA. There are many like you, you are not alone lol

Lol, your blind deaf and dumb. You just said it when you exposed yourself "I don't read what you write."

Smh, stupid is what stupid does

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I don't read what you write, because its 100% ghaul,

Its ok Paisha Pseudo Khaista Bibi, lots of illiterate people like you make excuses about "why they can't read gooood"

but I have to say you are a real sad person, I really pitty you.

Actually, Im really happy treating you exactly as I should.

I hope everything will be ok, and don't be ashamed being a toilet cleaner

I'll repeat Pseudo Khaista Bibi, quit asking me to clean your mouth, its getting uncomfortable and beneath your already basement level dignity

and ghulam to your home country USA.

Says Ashraf Ghani's butt buddy LOL

There are many like you, you are not alone lol

Many that view you as operating at just above the level of a severe handicap? Yep.

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