Zaytuna College - America's First Muslim College

[شمله ور خراساني]

Deep inside you know the answer.

Let me ask you a question: Do you believe that Zakir Naik is a kafir?

of course not. naik is a muslim

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

of course not. naik is a muslim

He was declared a kafir.

[شمله ور خراساني]

He was declared a kafir.

by sufis and shia.

[Roshina]

Teach> I would say they will appoint you as the president.

Maybe, but I'm not interested in that position. I'm interested only in a professorship position. Maybe after a few decades of teaching, I could consider being president at an institution, but before that, I'mna want to be a professor only.

And dying to already!

[شمله ور خراساني]

Maybe, but I'm not interested in that position. I'm interested only in a professorship position. Maybe after a few decades of teaching, I could consider being president at an institution, but before that, I'mna want to be a professor only.

And dying to already!

you should contact Amina Wudood.

[Roshina]

you should contact Amina Wudood.

Wait! She teaches at Zaytuna???!!! No way! I don't think they'd let her; they're not THAT open-minded (yet).

But I'm already in touch with her, gratefully.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Wait! She teaches at Zaytuna???!!! No way! I don't think they'd let her; they're not THAT open-minded (yet).

But I'm already in touch with her, gratefully.

no. I was saying she might be able to offer you a job. Since she is more or less like an advanced version of you.

[Mayana]

*Siiiiiiiighhhhh*

We don't appreciate a thing. Not a single thing. We find something to complain about it all. About everything. And then we sit here and wonder why we're stuck in the middle ages. Why we can't defend ourselves. Why we don't have access to Muslim resources. Why we are so misrepresented. No matter what effort one makes for the Muslim Ummah, some Muslim will always find something to complain about it. Always.

It's frustrating beyond any belief.


On a brighter note, beautiful effort on behalf of Zaytuna College.. I'd love to study there one day inshAllah!!

[Mujib]

Alhamdulillah, we all know Sufism (Tasawwuf) is the heart of Islam. All of the great scholars of Islam were Sufis. All of the great madrasas in Islam have taught Sufism. Sufis spread Islam in many parts of the world. All of the great art and literature of Islam has been produced by Sufis. The words and songs that move our hearts in Pashto, Farsi, Arabic, Urdu are the words and songs of Sufis. Sufism is part of the way of life of Muslims everywhere in the Muslim world. There is not an individual to be found in Afghanistan who does not have a tasbih in his hand. There is no village without a pir.

Those who have not studied the din come to the West and are influenced by the newfangled, reformist sect of Wahhabism. It is spread in the West by individuals trained in Wahhabi universities who are sent out to propagate its beliefs and teachings. Across the Muslim world, Wahhabis attempt to infiltrate Muslim countries and spread their misguided beliefs. They disparage the scholars of those countries, declare Muslims and their way of life as un-Islamic, and fight those who oppose them.

These deviant sects are particularly opposed to Sufism because Sufism is the heart of Islam, and Shaytan, being the enemy of Islam, attempts to destroy Islam from within and attack its very core.

[شمله ور خراساني]

LOL @Sufism is the heart of Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

by sufis and shia.

Why does it matter who did it? It was done and it should be accepted. Period. No?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Why does it matter who did it? It was done and it should be accepted. Period. No?

no. Because qadianis were declared kaafir by ALL scholars. Sunni, shia, sufi..ALL.

But some shia and some sufis in India declared Naik kaafir because he said radiallahu anhu to yazeed.

Saying radiallahu anhu to yazeed is not kufr.

Sufis and Shias hate naik because he is so popular and powerful and he helped thousands of people to become muslims.

So they attack him.

However, Qadianis are still kuffaar. And there is nothing that could change that except accepting that their false massiah, ghulam ahmed qadiani was a charlatan and a demagogue.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

no. Because qadianis were declared kaafir by ALL scholars. Sunni, shia, sufi..ALL.

But some shia and some sufis in India declared Naik kaafir because he said radiallahu anhu to yazeed.

Saying radiallahu anhu to yazeed is not kufr.

Sufis and Shias hate naik because he is so popular and powerful and he helped thousands of people to become muslims.

So they attack him.

However, Qadianis are still kuffaar. And there is nothing that could change that except accepting that their false massiah, ghulam ahmed qadiani was a charlatan and a demagogue.

Fair enough, but that does not change the fact that Zakir Naik is a kafir. He has been declared a kafir. Hence, he is considered a kafir in the eyes of some Muslims.

The ummah has declared Ahmadis as kafirs, because they don't believe that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet. However, you just accused this institute of teaching people shirk, yet you still call them a Muslim? Shirk is not forgiven, but anything else is.

Do you see that flaw in your logic, dear brother.

[شمله ور خراساني]

it is quite amusing to see a qadiani who believes in a new prophet who died from diarrea to speak of "flawed logic"

the thing is, if someone practices or preaches shirk, which is a major sin, it is up to allah if he or she is forgiven or not. We know from the quran that shirk is a sin that is not going to be forgiven. However, the reason why we cannot go around declaring Sufis or people like mujib as kaafir is because they have very wrong interpretation of Islam. And they choose to interpret things in a way which is contradictory to Islam. But there is still hope for them. because would they be openminded and smart enough to accept that their understanding is wrong, then the way back to true teachings of Islam is very short for such people.

However, the problem of Qadianis like you is that you have a whole new religion. A new prophet who died from diarrhea, a new book (kitaabul mubeen) and many other extremely different things. This is why Qadianism is a separate religion.

Back during the times of the companions of the prophet saww, there use to be some differences among muslims, there were some people with different interpretation and practices that contradicted Islam. But they were not declared as kaafirs right away. Some of them corrected their flaws and returned back to quran and sunnah. Others have gone further astray and have established new sects such as Sufism and Shi'ism.

But back then, there use to be false prophets like Musaylamah ibn Habib. And they are not only declared as kuffaar, but as dajjal and they were faught with swords and killed.

And your demagogue and charlatan, Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is just one of those charlatans. The Dajjal. And therefore, you can't claim that you should get equal treatment like the Sufis are getting.

You are not a Muslim. And this is the opinion of great scholars.

Zakir Naik is a great Muslim. He is a champion of Islam. And by declaring him a kaafir, you can risk of becoming a kaafir yourself. Oh wait...you already are a kaafir. how silly of me.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Forget the personal attacks, leave those to the side.

Whichever way you slice the cake, Zakir Naik is stained.

The whole purpose behind this exercise was to show you that you should not call people's way of practicing Islam wrong. Period. Now get out of this thread. You don't belong here.

Allow this thread to be in peace.