Turk in Germany bashes other muslims/immigrants

[Soprano]

A few years ago, the German banker and Socialist party senator Thilo Sarrazin caused a sensation in Germany with his book Deutschland Schafft Sich Ab [Germany is unmaking itself], in which he pointed out the catastrophic effects Muslim (mainly Turkish) immigration was having on Germany. He was hounded out of his job almost immediately, but the book went on to become a bestseller.

Now something similar is happening again. This time the truth-telling about Turks is coming from ... another Turk. The Turk in question is Akif Pirinçci, who was born in Turkey but moved to Germany as a child. He is a successful novelist and his books have been translated into many languages and sold millions of copies.

The book is called "Deutschland von Sinnen" [Germany out of its senses]. It is part love poem to Germany and part strident denunciation of the Turks who have colonised it and yet despise it and the multicult Establishment that has facilitated their invasion.

Here is a quote from the book:

It is a scandal that the indigenous population is insulted as a mob of reactionaries, Nazis, yes even would-be murderers as soon as they want to have a say in which type of person gets to live in their own country with them and which doesn't. Immigrants are not tourists. This is still Germany and not Circus Roncalli.

This book, too, has become a bestseller. It is number 1 on Amazon's sales ranking. Yet many real-world German bookshops don't even have it on display. It is suspected that political pressure has been applied to them to keep it out of sight.


Source:http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.c...good-turk.html

Im sorry about the website but its the only English website I found.

The turk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akif_Pirinçci

I dont mind people criticising Islam but this guys is almost neo-nazi, he talks about having a "pure Germany " again.

And its not just him but many other turks here in germany are like this.
They dodge the Hate-Bullet and let other immigrants have it.

Also another women who is a minister , her name is bilkay öney , she constantly bashes other immigrants but always praises turks.

Im starting to dislike the turks ... at least the ones here in Germany

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. These don't represent the majority of Turks in Germany.


2. There are a couple of factors at play here:

a: Integrating with German society
b: Kemalism
c: Alevism

German society

Most of the Turks in Germany are from Anatolian village families who (I am not talking about Islam) are quite conservative and some ways backwards. Some of the "educated" Turks in Germany dislike this and anyway they seek to integrate in to the values of the west and of Germany.

This involves - in their eyes - rejecting aspects of Islam/eastern culture, the "third world" they find embarassing.

They have an inferiority complex of sorts.

Kemalism

The state ideology of Turkey until recently has been Kemalism which involves militant secularism and enforced westernization and a rejection of Islam, calling Islam as "Arabism". In parts of Turkey, companies will not allow their employees to fast in Ramadan as this is a sign of Islam but which they will not say is out of hatred of Islam per se but dislike of "irtica" (Turkish version of the Arabic word, "irtijaa" i.e. regression/obscurantism).

However this is just a typical example of Kemalists lying, as Kemalism is an intensely anti-Islamic ideology.

Kemalism teaches hatred of Arabs and to a lesser degree of other Muslims, so those influenced by Kemalism hate Arabs and look on the Muslim world as a symbol of backwardness and failure.


Alevism

Alevism is not Islam, it's beliefs fall out of Islam.

Here are some Alevis prostrating to a picture of Ataturk (a freemason and Anglo-American agent):

Aleviler Atatürk'e Secde Ediyor... - YouTube

Many "Turks" in Germany are Alevis.

The riots in Turkey last year were spearheaded by Alevis, who resent Sunni domination.


These westernized Turks who are insulting other Muslims are not something strange this is inevitably what will happen with the way society is. Under communism many Muslims lost all knowledge of Islam e.g. Bosnia.

However the sad fact for these westernized Turks is they will never be fully accepted by the west (unless they become Christian and even then there is still issues about them coming from a Muslim culture) or the east. Though in the east they can be accepted if they become normal regular Turks/Muslims.




Btw: Are you in Germany? Where are you from?

[tor_khan]

Despite the lessons that could be learned from its Nazi past, Germany is still not over demonising its minorities. The problem in Europe is ghettoisation.

They may have their problems and many go about things in completely the wrong way, but it is equally wrong to say that Turks have 'colonised' Germany. They don't have the same powers as a coloniser or imperial power. We all know how it works, the lowest paid, most undesirable jobs go to immigrants and then when times change, they are the first ones to be blamed.

And every group has its Uncle Toms.

[tor_khan]

PS Whilst it's not true for all, I also believe that migrants should come out of any false belief in their own sense of cultural superiority. Why should any established society bend over backwards to suit you?

[Tjanaparh]

Dear Bengali Tiger, I think majority ov Alrvis aren't Turks but Zaza, and they dislike Ataturk because of the Zaza genocide. The pro-Kemal Turkish Alevis are a minority as I know. Many Zazas moved to Germany because they got persecuted or better to say not treated well in Turkey.

Generaly goups like Yezdi, Alevi and Yarsani are of North-west Iranic substrates (Kurds, Zaza, Caspian Iranic peoples...), and derive most probably from one tradition.

[tuomittuelämään]

I dont mind people criticising Islam but this guys is almost neo-nazi, he talks about having a "pure Germany " again.

Haha, that's classic. Give this retard a trophy for profound idiocy of the highest order. I've heard of people with inferiority complexes but damn. This genius is so eaten up with self-hatred that he's deluded himself into believing that he's somehow German and an integral, natural extension of Germany hahaha. He hates himself so intensely that he's separated himself FROM HIMSELF in his own mind and now believes he's something else, I love it.

Im starting to dislike the turks ... at least the ones here in Germany

I know what you mean, I generally dislike Turks whether they sit their sorry tail down in Germany, Turkey, or the Congo.

[Khostai]

I wonder how Afghans would react if Afghanistan was peacefull and milions of European immigrant would be living there and not integrating in to the Afghan culture......

[Pakwatan]

Turks from Turkey are fake. They don't have identity. They follow grey wolf propaganda but fail to realize that they are just greeks. lol

[Karachi]

Turks from Turkey are fake. They don't have identity. They follow grey wolf propaganda but fail to realize that they are just greeks. lol

Oh the Irony, replace the word Turks with Pakistani Punjabis and Greeks with Indians.

[Badlun]

I do not know why culturally Good Muslims do not go to Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Bnagladesh, Pakistan and Chad to live instead of the Kaafir West?

Religiously good Muslims can live anywhere because their religion is in their souls, hearts, houses not in streets, markets and parliaments. If the so called Muslim world does not provide them opportunity to lead a better life the West must take them but they should not impose their Arab culture in the name of Islam on others.

The West must differentiate between the cultural Muslims and the religious Muslims. Those want to impose Sharia in democratic societies must be banned as they are anti-state elements and will promote extremism and terrorism.

[Soprano]

I do not know why culturally Good Muslims do not go to Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Bnagladesh, Pakistan and Chad to live instead of the Kaafir West?

Religiously good Muslims can live anywhere because their religion is in their souls, hearts, houses not in streets, markets and parliaments. If the so called Muslim world does not provide them opportunity to lead a better life the West must take them but they should not impose their Arab culture in the name of Islam on others.

The West must differentiate between the cultural Muslims and the religious Muslims. Those want to impose Sharia in democratic societies must be banned as they are anti-state elements and will promote extremism and terrorism.

Bro Please !,

dont turn this thread into an Muslim vs. Islamist thing like you always do.
That guy Akif Pirincci doesnt distinguish between Muslim and Islamist , he
considers all Muslims racially and religiously foreign to Europe.

Also, I dont think the difference between culturally muslims and religiously muslims is that significant as you make it out to be.

But I agree with you on one thing: Guys who want Sharia should go to Saudi Arabia.

[Soprano]

I wonder how Afghans would react if Afghanistan was peacefull and milions of European immigrant would be living there and not integrating in to the Afghan culture......

Here we go again !

Im not one of those Muslims who blame everything on the West or Israel but
Dammit the west ruined the Middle East and you cant deny that ! And Europeans did migrate to foreign places and imposed their culture on others

I think the biggest mistake us muslims made in modern History is : Instead of fighting the Soviet union , we should have united with them against the West!

[Tjanaparh]

I do not know why culturally Good Muslims do not go to Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Bnagladesh, Pakistan and Chad to live instead of the Kaafir West?

Religiously good Muslims can live anywhere because their religion is in their souls, hearts, houses not in streets, markets and parliaments. If the so called Muslim world does not provide them opportunity to lead a better life the West must take them but they should not impose their Arab culture in the name of Islam on others.

The West must differentiate between the cultural Muslims and the religious Muslims. Those want to impose Sharia in democratic societies must be banned as they are anti-state elements and will promote extremism and terrorism.

Dear Badlun, I think there are enough MUslims who prefered to go to Muslim countries rather then West, and we have even examples on the forum.
Yes we shouldn't deny that there is a lot of cruelty and injustice in many of mainly Muslim countries, but actually one of them is left do develop in a calm way.Do You think if lets say France was an influence sphere of Vietnam and Botswana, and Both invested to create conflicts in France, that France would be different than Afghanistan is today ?


A state system is man made, sothat in the same way according to You and to democracies if in countries with Sharia somebody tries to impose democracy he should be an anti state element.

To develop a peaceful country you need consolidation, and a lot of dialogue. Even the democracy You talk about was developed step by step, but not every system fits every mentality.
In Germany husband and wife go to court to divide their things when they divorce, in our eyes except the divorce question, but this division is something barbaric.

I know most disagree with me, but You have as Pashtuns a lot of potential from your own and don't need actually anyones systems. You should heal your own experiences from mistakes and wounds.


Also You should consider that there are so many imigrans in western coutries due to the colonial past and present of the West, it is not the fruit of democracy, that actually in many cases is only a mask.

[Badlun]

Bro Please !,

dont turn this thread into an Muslim vs. Islamist thing like you always do.
That guy Akif Pirincci doesnt distinguish between Muslim and Islamist , he
considers all Muslims racially and religiously foreign to Europe.

Also, I dont think the difference between culturally muslims and religiously muslims is that significant as you make it out to be.

But I agree with you on one thing: Guys who want Sharia should go to Saudi Arabia.

If you agree that those who want Sharia should go to Saudi then you may also agree with the rest of the post. Because I Islam+Sharia
= Islamism

We must differentiate between political cum cultural Muslims and just Muslims. If Akif is against simple religious Muslims then he is wrong but who will be against those innocent spiritual Muslims who are law abiding, hard working educated lot.

Religious Muslims are those who worship and believe but do not impose cultural elements like beard, purdah, no music, no dance, no art. Political Muslims are those who want to impose Sharia.

There is a difference between Taliban Muslims, Ikhwans, Al Qaeda Muslims on one hand and general masses of Muslims who are born as Muslims and practice the religion in their private lives but do not promote Arab culture and politics like Caliphate and sultanate on the other hand.

[Badlun]

Dear Badlun, I think there are enough MUslims who prefered to go to Muslim countries rather then West, and we have even examples on the forum.
Yes we shouldn't deny that there is a lot of cruelty and injustice in many of mainly Muslim countries, but actually one of them is left do develop in a calm way.Do You think if lets say France was an influence sphere of Vietnam and Botswana, and Both invested to create conflicts in France, that France would be different than Afghanistan is today ?


A state system is man made, sothat in the same way according to You and to democracies if in countries with Sharia somebody tries to impose democracy he should be an anti state element.

To develop a peaceful country you need consolidation, and a lot of dialogue. Even the democracy You talk about was developed step by step, but not every system fits every mentality.
In Germany husband and wife go to court to divide their things when they divorce, in our eyes except the divorce question, but this division is something barbaric.

I know most disagree with me, but You have as Pashtuns a lot of potential from your own and don't need actually anyones systems. You should heal your own experiences from mistakes and wounds.


Also You should consider that there are so many imigrans in western coutries due to the colonial past and present of the West, it is not the fruit of democracy, that actually in many cases is only a mask.

I do not know a single Muslim who is not happy in his own country and want to migrate to other country will prefer a Muslim country to a developed western country. Those who are in Middle East cannot go to USA or Canada or Germany because they cannot get visas. Muslims pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribe but want to go to the west for jobs and permanent residence. They die in boats but wish to reach the paradise of the West.

My religion is Islam, my culture and society is Pashtunwali and my politics is democracy. Democracy is not just Western. Pashtun jerga system has similarities with democratic system. The problem is adult suffrage in jergas. In democracy individual matters while in jerga the elders. I should copy the West in politics, development, science, rule of law not necessarily in culture or religion.