Horse worshipping alloweed

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Mashallah

Mashallah @Hassan and his follower, congratulations, you just proved Shias to be non-Muslims. Should we celebrate this?

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

I will try to make a thread specifically regarding this Shia Sunni issue when I get some free time on my hands because judging from the many shia-proved-kafir threads on here, apparently many are ignorant of their beliefs or simply stubborn to accept the facts and embrace the reality. What do I care? Sadly enough, I am a devil, "horse"-worshiping shia. How dare I!

[BehavedMaseed]

Its funny how Zaman brings up Qaid azam, wasnt Qaid Azam a Ismaili shia himself lol

[شمله ور خراساني]

I will try to make a thread specifically regarding this Shia Sunni issue when I get some free time on my hands because judging from the many shia-proved-kafir threads on here, apparently many are ignorant of their beliefs or simply stubborn to accept the facts and embrace the reality. What do I care? Sadly enough, I am a devil, "horse"-worshiping shia. How dare I!

As salaamu aleikoum,

you can go ahead and make a thread. But promise not to withold facts (do any taqiyya) by presenting only the watered down and more consumable version of Shia religion.

Because we have access to books, websites and lectures by most prominent Shi'a scholars.

We know what the Shi'i creed is.

So be careful. Because if you say anything that is not true or not supported by your own books or scholars, then you will be refuted.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Can Admin plz ban this hassanzaman guy. He contributes nothing to PF, only spreading his propaganda to create rift among muslims.

The debate I predict will come down to ahadiths and interpretations just like it always does. nonetheless if its sincere and intellectual, we might learn something from it.

actually, no. Not just that. Shi'as believe quran was corrupted. And they believe that there is a surah called al Wilayah which was burned and destroyed by the companions. They also believe that the original quran contained 17000 ayat. And that original quran was in possession of Fatimah Zahra radiallahu anha. And it currently is in possession of the Shi'ite Mahdi which is hiding in a cave or a tunnel.

[abubaker]

there's no point in debating these people it almost always ends in slandering the sahabas

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

As salaamu aleikoum,

you can go ahead and make a thread. But promise not to withold facts (do any taqiyya) by presenting only the watered down and more consumable version of Shia religion.

Because we have access to books, websites and lectures by most prominent Shi'a scholars.

We know what the Shi'i creed is.

So be careful. Because if you say anything that is not true or not supported by your own books or scholars, then you will be refuted.

Walaikum Salam. Dear Shamla/shumla, rest assured I won't be withholding facts or doing "taqiyya", although you don't even have the slightest idea of what that is. I don't need to do any of that dear because, in simple words, I am a "cutter" fundamental shia. I do not care what you think about me or my faith, so I do not see any need to lie buddy. I couldn't care less whatever you may call me, as in my eyes, I am answerable only to Allah Almighty.

"Because we have access to books, websites and lectures by most prominent Shi'a scholars." I am sure by that "access" you mean Shia-bashing websites :P. Just in advance, I won't be answering any question that results from "copy-pasting" of other websites, as I don't like to waste my time.

"So be careful. Because if you say anything that is not true or not supported by your own books or scholars, then you will be refuted" Well, why don't we leave this for the audience to decide?

Okay شمله ور خراساني , before I start the thread, could you please tell me what do YOU think Shias beliefs are? So that when I start the thread I can jump directly to your questions. Thanks.

أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ

(6:114)

[Feroza_Banu]

^I am going to ask... if i may... I would like to listen to your answers ... and participate where i can.

I have lived in Shia commnity for 10 years of my life... i have seen all the practices from first hand.

First I would like to ask. what is your complete Kaleema. How many kaleemas do you have?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Walaikum Salam. Dear Shamla/shumla, rest assured I won't be withholding facts or doing "taqiyya", although you don't even have the slightest idea of what that is. I don't need to do any of that dear because, in simple words, I am a "cutter" fundamental shia. I do not care what you think about me or my faith, so I do not see any need to lie buddy. I couldn't care less whatever you may call me, as in my eyes, I am answerable only to Allah Almighty.

"Because we have access to books, websites and lectures by most prominent Shi'a scholars." I am sure by that "access" you mean Shia-bashing websites :P. Just in advance, I won't be answering any question that results from "copy-pasting" of other websites, as I don't like to waste my time.

"So be careful. Because if you say anything that is not true or not supported by your own books or scholars, then you will be refuted" Well, why don't we leave this for the audience to decide?

Okay شمله ور خراساني , before I start the thread, could you please tell me what do YOU think Shias beliefs are? So that when I start the thread I can jump directly to your questions. Thanks.

أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ

(6:114)

No. I rather let you do your thing.

Oh and the Shi'a bashing websites I visit are:

.:: WWW.AL-SHIA.ORG ::.

The Shi'a Homepage

http://www.al-shia.com/

http://www.yasoob.com/

Imam khomeini Web Site|?? ???? ???? ?????

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http://www.balagh.net/

Grand Ayatollah Rohani official website

http://www.istefta.com

WWW.SISTANI.ORG

http://www.alseraj.net/

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حياة الامام الحسن

http://www.rafed.net/

Bayynat web site

.. .. :: :: :: www.Lankarani.org :: :: :: .. ..

http://www.abtahi.com/

Mutah Matchmaker - Mutah.com

And of course some very nasty shi'a bashing books like:

Welcome to Al-Kafi.org

بحار الأنوار - موقع الميزان www.mezan.net

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

@Shamla, okay.

[Dreamer]

As salaamu aleikoum,

you can go ahead and make a thread. But promise not to withold facts (do any taqiyya) by presenting only the watered down and more consumable version of Shia religion.

Because we have access to books, websites and lectures by most prominent Shi'a scholars.

We know what the Shi'i creed is.

So be careful. Because if you say anything that is not true or not supported by your own books or scholars, then you will be refuted.

I suggest u learn what Taqiyyah is before u start talking abt it

[Dreamer]

there's no point in debating these people it almost always ends in slandering the sahabas

I suggest u sir answer the questions Ive posed u before u open ur mouth on shia/sunni talks Im still waiting!

[شمله ور خراساني]

I suggest u learn what Taqiyyah is before u start talking abt it

this is taqiyya:

[Dreamer]

Taqiyaa is to avoid persecution .... Read hadith (sunni ones included) ull find that Prophets such as Ibrahim (PBUH) when at the court of the Egyptian King did it

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

^I am going to ask... if i may... I would like to listen to your answers ... and participate where i can.

I have lived in Shia commnity for 10 years of my life... i have seen all the practices from first hand.

First I would like to ask. what is your complete Kaleema. How many kaleemas do you have?

Hi there, you can ask your questions at the new thread that I created, but only after I complete explaining the core beliefs of Shias first. Manana.