The shai-pukhtoons of kurma and hangu etc

[Ansari1]

Our honor and our wealth can be taken from us according to Shi'ism. What do you expect? Brotherhood and love?



In the Shia book Al Hadaiq al Nadhirah of Shaikh Yusuf al Bahrani (1186 AH) Volume 18 Page 156: وروى في العلل عن الصحيح عن داود بن فرقد قال: قلت لأبي عبد الله ع: ما تقول في قتل الناصب ؟ قال: حلال الدم ولكن اتقى عليك فإن قدرت أن تقلب عليه حائطا أو تغرقه في ماء لكي لا يشهد به عليك فافعل . قلت فما ترى في ماله ؟ قال: أتوه ما قدرت عليه
And it is narrated in al Illal from saheeh (chain of narration) from Dawood b. Farqad who said:I said to abi Abdullah (as): “What do you say about killing the nasib?” Imam (as) said: “The blood is halal(permissible) but I fear upon you, so if you are able to bring down upon him a wall or drown him in water so that no one witnesses by it upon you then do so.” I said: “So what do you consider about his property?” Imam (as) said: “Destroy upon it what you are able to.”
2. In shia book Illal ul Sharai of Shaikh Sadooq (381 AH) Volume 2 Page 601:
58 – أبي رحمه الله قال: حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله عن أحمد بن محمد عن علي ابن الحكم عن سيف بن عميرة عن داود بن فرقد قال: قلت لأبي عبد الله ع ما تقول في قتل الناصب قال: حلال الدم لكني اتقي عليك فان قدرت أن تقلب عليه حائطا أو تغرقه في ماء لكيلا يشهد به عليك فافعل قلت: فما ترى في ماله قال توه ما قدرت عليه
58- My father (ra) said: Told us Sa’d b. Abdullah from Ahmad b. Muhammd from Ali ibn al Hakam from Saif b. Umairah from Dawood b. Farqad who said: I said to abi Abdullah (as): “What do you say about killing the nasib?” Imam (as) said: “The blood is halal(permissible) but I fear upon you, so if you are able to bring down upon him a wall or drown him in water so that no one witnesses by it upon you then do so.” I said: “So what do you consider about his property?” Imam (as) said: “Destroy upon it what you are able to.”
3.
ومنها – ما رواه الشيخ في الصحيح عن حفص بن البختري عن أبي عبد الله ع قال : (خذ مال الناصب حيثما وجدته وادفع إلينا الخمس
And from them – what the shaikh narrated in (by) the saheeh/authentic (chain of narration) from Hafs b. al Bakhtari from abi Abdullah (as) who said: “Take wealth of the nasib wherever you find it and send to us the khums (fifth portion).” (Hadaiq al Nadhirah).
4.
روى الشيخ في التهذيب في الصحيح عن حفص بن البختري عن أبي عبد الله ع قال : ” خذ مال الناصب حيثما وجدته وادفع إلينا الخمس ” رواه بسند آخر عن معلى بن خنيس عن أبي عبد الله ع مثله
Narrated the shaikh (Shaikh Tusi) in al Tahdheeb in saheeh/authentic (chain of narration) from Hafs b. al Bakhtari from abi Abdullah (as) who said: “Take wealth of the nasib wherever you find it and send to us the khums (fifth portion).”, narrated by last sanad (chain of narration) Mu’alla b. Khunais from abi Abdullah (as) similar to it.( al Tahdheeb of Tusi).
5. In Wasail al shia by Shaikh Hurr al Amili it is reported:
وعن إسحاق بن عمار، قال: قال الصادق عليه السلام: مال الناصب وكل شئ
يملكه حلال لك، إلا امرأته فإن نكاح أهل الشرك جائز، وذلك أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم
قال: لا تسبوا أهل الشرك فإن لكل قوم نكاحا، ولولا أنا نخاف عليكم أن يقتل رجل منكم برجل منهم، ورجل منكم خير من ألف رجل منهم، لأمرناكم بالقتل لهم، ولكن
ذلك إلى الإمام
And from Ishaq b. Ammar, who said: Imam al Sadiq (as) said: “The wealth of the nasib, and everything he owns, is halal (permissible) for you except his woman for indeed nikah of people of polytheism is legitimate. And that is that Rsool Allah (pbuh) said: Do not abuse the people of polytheism because indeed for every nation there is a nikah, and if I did not fear for you that he murders a man from you with a man from them, while a man from you is better than a thousand men from them, we would have certainly ordered you people to kill them, but that is to the Imam.”(Wasail al shia by Shaikh Hurr al Amili, Volume 11, page 60, Hadith no. 2).

[tor_khan]

As only Muslims are allowed within the city limits of Makkah is it therefore agreed that Shias are Muslim? Other sects who claim to be Muslim are barred if they are found out to outside the mainstream. I don't know enough but I'm assuming that the Shias declaration of faith is the Shahada. By definition that makes a person a Muslim, right? Good, bad, misguided etc is something else.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

As only Muslims are allowed within the city limits of Makkah is it therefore agreed that Shias are Muslim?

If the Saudi government allows a delegation of Pope Francis, Dalai Lama and similar leaders of polytheism and kufr enter Mekkah, does that mean they are Muslims?

What authorities do and how they apply the teachings of Islam doesn't mean anything. A ruler or governor can allow alcohol. That doesn't mean alcohol is thus permissible in Islam.

Other sects who claim to be Muslim are barred if they are found out to outside the mainstream.

Thats because they don't have enough political power to intimidate the rulers of holy sites.

I don't know enough but I'm assuming that the Shias declaration of faith is the Shahada. By definition that makes a person a Muslim, right? Good, bad, misguided etc is something else.

The Shahada is not a meaningless sentence one can recite without fully submitting to the implications of its meaning.

The testimony of faith starts with La Illlaha, there is no deity worthy of worship. Once people start worshiping other deities (be it their imams, their pious ancestors, famous poets, ideologies such as secularism/marxism etc or democractic system of altering laws of Allah) then their testimony is no longer valid.

The testimony of faith arrived along with a book, the Qur'an and a Messenger sal allahu alayhi wasalam to give the believer a comprehensive understanding of what it means. Its not a magical spell in a strange language you just have to memorize and recite for good fortune.

So one have to fully understand the meaning of the testimony and adhere to it fully to remain Muslim. As soon as one starts violating the testimony, the person leaves the fold of Islam.

With regards to Shiite testimony, have a look here and notice the difference:

[afghan]

If the Saudi government allows a delegation of Pope Francis, Dalai Lama and similar leaders of polytheism and kufr enter Mekkah, does that mean they are Muslims?

What authorities do and how they apply the teachings of Islam doesn't mean anything. A ruler or governor can allow alcohol. That doesn't mean alcohol is thus permissible in Islam.



Thats because they don't have enough political power to intimidate the rulers of holy sites.



The Shahada is not a meaningless sentence one can recite without fully submitting to the implications of its meaning.

The testimony of faith starts with La Illlaha, there is no deity worthy of worship. Once people start worshiping other deities (be it their imams, their pious ancestors, famous poets, ideologies such as secularism/marxism etc or democractic system of altering laws of Allah) then their testimony is no longer valid.

The testimony of faith arrived along with a book, the Qur'an and a Messenger sal allahu alayhi wasalam to give the believer a comprehensive understanding of what it means. Its not a magical spell in a strange language you just have to memorize and recite for good fortune.

So one have to fully understand the meaning of the testimony and adhere to it fully to remain Muslim. As soon as one starts violating the testimony, the person leaves the fold of Islam.

With regards to Shiite testimony, have a look here and notice the difference:

can you translate how exactly shahadat was taken? its pretty easy for you to make a conclusion. how do you know shia are kafir and wahabis are muslim?

[Ansari1]

Shi'ism is kufr, any Shi'a ascribing himself to Shi'ism and defending it is a non muslim. You either have to be ignorant or heavily blind to ignore the pagan religion Shi'ism in reality and in theory really is.


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