magical thinkers

[Manzareh]

I hate indirectness, if one is against religion and wants to prove it wrong then just do so in an honest manner instead of creating numerous indirect threads 'hinting' your opinions. Be straight up about your stance on religion and what your goals in this forum are.

[Kochagasht]

Science has many theories including ones that says the belief in God is innate.

sorry, that went right over my head

[Badlun]

Many of your posts don't make sense.
how can you leave evolution aside from it. Science has many theories including ones that says the belief in God is innate.

We must differentiate different types of Science. natural sciences, exact sciences, biological sciences, physical sciences, social sciences even spiritual and political sciences.

Every science is not like Physics or Chemistry. In a science like anthropology or sociology it might have been said by someone that belief in God is innate but this is not a chemical formula or Newton law.

Otherwise every scientist had to believe in God and then in which God? God of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists(if any), Shintos, Confucists, Shias, Sunnis, Protestants, Catholics?

God being an abstract metaphyical unseen, untouchable, non matter is not at all the subject of the classic scienece as for scienece senses, observation,experiment, verification are basic prerequisites.

God can be the subject of Religion,Theology, Philosophy, Sociology, Literature etc but not of Science.

[Kochagasht]

I hate indirectness, if one is against religion and wants to prove it wrong then just do so in an honest manner instead of creating numerous indirect threads 'hinting' your opinions. Be straight up about your stance on religion and what your goals in this forum are.

perhaps the experiences of this life, whether identified as good or bad are not necessarily one or the other or either one. the trials and tribulations of this life would be necessary for a full understanding of what heaven is, because one would also require a knowledge of what heaven is not to describe what exactly heaven is

[khushal]

We must differentiate different types of Science. natural sciences, exact sciences, biological sciences, physical sciences, social sciences even spiritual and political sciences.

Every science is not like Physics or Chemistry. In a science like anthropology or sociology it might have been said by someone that belief in God is innate but this is not a chemical formula or Newton law.

Otherwise every scientist had to believe in God and then in which God? God of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists(if any), Shintos, Confucists, Shias, Sunnis, Protestants, Catholics?

God being an abstract metaphyical unseen, untouchable, non matter is not at all the subject of the classic scienece as for scienece senses, observation,experiment, verification are basic prerequisites.

God can be the subject of Religion,Theology, Philosophy, Sociology, Literature etc but not of Science.

your about as mentally ill as Kochgasht. what do you mean which creator do we believe in. are you one of those that believe that everyone was created by different creators. hahahahaha

so then are you the one that dictates what should be the subject of science.

[khushal]

sorry, that went right over my head

have you checked out the status of your mental state?

[Badlun]

your about as mentally ill as Kochgasht. what do you mean which creator do we believe in. are you one of those that believe that everyone was created by different creators. hahahahaha

so then are you the one that dictates what should be the subject of science.

Please let me know in which book of science or in which discipline of science God is the topic or where God is observed, sensed, experimented, proved, verified, a law or formula presented? All procedures in science must pass through these stages.

[khushal]

Please let me know in whichbook of science or in which discipline of science God is the topic or where God is observed, sensed, experimented, proved, verified, a law or formula presented? All procedures in science must pass through these stages.

My response was to koshagast of why separate evolution out of it when it is vital to explain why humanity believes in God.

First you must understand what Science is and to do that you should take an introductory course to Science.

Science cannot prove anything because it must begin with unproven assumptions. Science assumes the world exists as we see it and makes no attempt to prove that. the scientific method is only a means to understanding and explaining with the evidence at hand. Understanding is neither proof nor is it fact; it is merely a way for engaging the world(as we see it) in a systematic way. Science is almost entirely dependent on induction, philosophers of science for example carl hempel, have continually critiqued the limitations or problem of induction.

So both of you shut up because you have no idea what your talking about.

[Badlun]

FYI along with other degrees and courses I am master in science from a foreign university.

My basic point is that God is not subject matter of science. I don't deny the existence of God. If Quran says God exists so I believe. Amanna wa sadaqna. I do not need a scientific proof of God.

Science is based on verifiable data(proofs) and facts. This is the main difference between science, art, Philosophy, religion and other disciplines. Material universe is the subject matter not supernatural entity God.

[khushal]

You don't have any degrees because most of your posts are gibberish with no concrete evidence of what you say.

Science presents theories. Theories are not facts which is why they change with new evidence. A theory is the most elaborate form of scientific explaination not yet disproved by experiment. In science, a theory can never be "proved", it can only be "disproved" by experiment. This is precisely what makes a theory scientific.

[Kochagasht]

have you checked out the status of your mental state?

you stated that the authorized way of interpreting islam was the right way; but I digress, now since I re-read your post I see you are referring more to perception of islam

[Manzareh]

perhaps the experiences of this life, whether identified as good or bad are not necessarily one or the other or either one. the trials and tribulations of this life would be necessary for a full understanding of what heaven is, because one would also require a knowledge of what heaven is not to describe what exactly heaven is

Your sentences contradict each other..nice try but your not very good at riddles either, maybe speaking directly would be a better communication technique you could try out.