Salah: how often do you pray

[Manzareh]

your "anonymous poll" did not have my choice mentioned as an option.

Yeah, I pre-planned it not to.

[Joey_Gladstonezai]

If a person doesn't pray then the relationship between a person and God is nothing.

And if you think 'personally' means Muslims should hide in a corner alone and pray or worship god in secret and not speak about it you are wrong because when Muslims pray they stand shoulder to shoulder out in the open in thousands and pray together. There's no harm in discussing your beliefs or how strong your faith is, talking about something can help you instead of keeping it inside.

Well said. The mercy of Allah (Swt) is on those that follow His (Swt) commands.

[DaZahroJaam.]

there is nothing wrong with praying in a corner rather than advertising it to the rest of the world. you are praying to God and God is in that corner just as much as he is anywhere else. maybe you will benefit from actually going to the masjid by leaning something new about islam or other muslims but the act of praying itself should not have more credence over the alternative. it's just a matter of preference.

and it's a good habit to pray more often but just because you pray more often doesn't mean you are more devoted or more likely to benefit from it in comparison to someone else who doesn't pray that often. iblees prayed alot but he had doubt in his heart and none of that praying counted for much when he landed himself in trouble.

and it was typical of you to plan it as you did. (whether you were being sarcastic or not) you are afraid of giving people choices that they may choose which you may not be able to follow because you understand only what you believe in. you have limited yourself like that.

[Manzareh]

there is nothing wrong with praying in a corner rather than advertising it to the rest of the world.

Wrong. For a man it is, we are required to go to the masjid and pray in congregation, together.

you are praying to God and God is in that corner just as much as he is anywhere else.

Wrong. God is not in a corner or anywhere else. God is in one specific place although his knowledge is omnipresent.

maybe you will benefit from actually going to the masjid by leaning something new about islam or other muslims but the act of praying itself should not have more credence over the alternative. it's just a matter of preference.

Wrong as mentioned above.

and it's a good habit to pray more often but just because you pray more often doesn't mean you are more devoted or more likely to benefit from it in comparison to someone else who doesn't pray that often.

Wrong, salah is not a 'habit' it's the difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim. Yea it does mean that you are more devoted, and whoever prays more will benefit more. FACT.

iblees prayed alot but he had doubt in his heart and none of that praying counted for much when he landed himself in trouble.

Wrong, iblees had no doubt in his heart what so ever, he is more doubtless than anyone. His conviction in God is unparalleled by anyone else but the prophets. When he 'landed himself in trouble' the only thing that saved him was his prayers.

and it was typical of you to plan it as you did. (whether you were being sarcastic or not) you are afraid of giving people choices that they may choose which you may not be able to follow because you understand only what you believe in. you have limited yourself like that.

You have limited yourself in the knowledge of Islam, you know as much as a 5 year old does, it's nothing to be ashamed of but I find it hilarious how one could speak so confidently and arrogantly about a subject of which they know almost nothing about.

[Karachi]

I am not sure about afghanistan, but in Pakistan I can bet that 90% of people who pray dont even know the meanings of the words they say in prayer. Same thing with Quran, most people can read it, but when you ask the meanings of surahs, they can almost never give you the answer.

This is the a big joke to be honest, imagine if non muslims asks them the meanings of prayers, what answer would we give them? The whole islamic education in pakistan is a mess

[DaZahroJaam.]

Wrong, iblees had no doubt in his heart what so ever, he is more doubtless than anyone. His conviction in God is unparalleled by anyone else but the prophets. When he 'landed himself in trouble' the only thing that saved him was his prayers.

where did the prophets come from?? were they not appointed by God?? if you deny a prophet, are you not going against God??

Wrong. God is not in a corner or anywhere else. God is in one specific place although his knowledge is omnipresent.

"wa laqad khalaqanal ensaana wana'alamo maa tu wassweso behe nafsu, wa nahnu aq'arabu elaihi min habalilwareed." which translates to "And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein."

the 16th verse of the 50th surah

[kiran]

so what i thought that the relationship between god and you is something personal
and every muslim is telling me that

Sure its personal but praying is a MUST.
Every muslim tells you that but he/she doesn't tell you the importance of prayer
i think from personal experience, that your personal relationship with Allah depends on the amount of prayers you do.

[Manzareh]

Yes the prophets and messengers (two different things) were appointed by God. Going against what god has ordained is going against him.. But what's your point.

You quoted from the Quran, the verse doesn't mean Allah is in out jugular vain, it's an expression, when you are close to someone it doesn't always means close in the literal term. Allah is not everywhere, his knowledge is.

[Admin Khan]

Hadrat Abdullah Ibn Masud (may Allah be pleased with him) said that he enquired of the Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) what was the best deed in the sight of Allah. The Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) replied, "To say prescribed prayers at stated hours." I asked what was the next best. He said, "To be good to parents." I again asked what deed ranked next. He said, "To struggle in the way of Allah." Ibn Masud (may Allah be pleased with him) says that if he had gone on asking, the Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) would have told him more. (Bukhari, Muslim)

[DaZahroJaam.]

Yes the prophets and messengers (two different things) were appointed by God. Going against what god has ordained is going against him.. But what's your point.

You quoted from the Quran, the verse doesn't mean Allah is in out jugular vain, it's an expression, when you are close to someone it doesn't always means close in the literal term. Allah is not everywhere, his knowledge is.

if he believed what God has said to him, he wouldn't have gone against it or questioned it. he did so because he didn't think it was right for him to do the sajda to adam pbuh even though God said otherwise.
and excuse me but God is even where his knowledge is not. how can you say otherwise??
let's see...
God created the universe, angels, jins and human beings. then he bestowed upon knowledge of his existence. in order to do this, he had to exist before his knowledge did. so how can you say that God is not where his knowledge is not?? so before jins, angels or human beings made it to the moon, God didn't exist there??
but but but...i thought you said that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!

so the quraan is just a bunch of expressions?? do you not know what the juglar vein is or does??

[Manzareh]

if he believed what God has said to him, he wouldn't have gone against it or questioned it. he did so because he didn't think it was right for him to do the sajda to adam pbuh even though God said otherwise.
and excuse me but God is even where his knowledge is not. how can you say otherwise??
let's see...
God created the universe, angels, jins and human beings. then he bestowed upon knowledge of his existence. in order to do this, he had to exist before his knowledge did. so how can you say that God is not where his knowledge is not?? so before jins, angels or human beings made it to the moon, God didn't exist there??
but but but...i thought you said that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!

so the quraan is just a bunch of expressions?? do you not know what the juglar vein is or does??

Allah never existed before or after his knowlege, Allah and his knowledge have always been around, there is no similaritys between the stages of things you know of in the universe to the processes of how Allah has his specific qualities. What do You mean 'in order to do this and that' the mistake your making is analysing the Quran as if it were one of your English poems. Anyone will assure you it's much deeper than reading a quote and coming to a conclusion on what it means without any other further research, its not Robert Browning its the words of God, be careful with taking your personal opinions of what Allah is saying as some fact. So when you say things like "if he believed what god has said to him, he wouldn't have gone against it or questioned it" your dazzled, just because you can't comprehende it happening doesn't mean it's not possible.

"God is even where his knowledge is not" from where did you learn such nonsense, how can god be in a place were his knowledge is not? surely if he is in a place then he'll have knowledge of where he is. Like I said I gave you a fact not a personal opinion, I'll repeat this fact one last time, God is not everywhere, if he was everywhere then he would also be in clubs, bathrooms, sewers etc.. Just how a candle in a room is in one specific spot, the light from the candle spreads over the room, Allah is in a specific place yet his knowledge spreads over everything.


By the way but but but we're did I say I do not believe in evolution? I said I may believe in a certain definition of evolution, whether I do or do not is not the issue but don't pull words out of thin air.

[HalloIsBack]

Sure its personal but praying is a MUST.
Every muslim tells you that but he/she doesn't tell you the importance of prayer
i think from personal experience, that your personal relationship with Allah depends on the amount of prayers you do.

but MUST this praying be in a mosque?
can't it be just alone at home or while you fall asleep?

[abubaker]

How do you pray while you are asleep? It is of paramount importance for one to be consciously aware of what he recites during the salah. How will you do that while you are asleep.

Some funny replies in this thread.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Allah never existed before or after his knowlege, Allah and his knowledge have always been around, there is no similaritys between the stages of things you know of in the universe to the processes of how Allah has his specific qualities. What do You mean 'in order to do this and that' the mistake your making is analysing the Quran as if it were one of your English poems. Anyone will assure you it's much deeper than reading a quote and coming to a conclusion on what it means without any other further research, its not Robert Browning its the words of God, be careful with taking your personal opinions of what Allah is saying as some fact. So when you say things like "if he believed what god has said to him, he wouldn't have gone against it or questioned it" your dazzled, just because you can't comprehende it happening doesn't mean it's not possible.

"God is even where his knowledge is not" from where did you learn such nonsense, how can god be in a place were his knowledge is not? surely if he is in a place then he'll have knowledge of where he is. Like I said I gave you a fact not a personal opinion, I'll repeat this fact one last time, God is not everywhere, if he was everywhere then he would also be in clubs, bathrooms, sewers etc.. Just how a candle in a room is in one specific spot, the light from the candle spreads over the room, Allah is in a specific place yet his knowledge spreads over everything.


By the way but but but we're did I say I do not believe in evolution? I said I may believe in a certain definition of evolution, whether I do or do not is not the issue but don't pull words out of thin air. [/QUOTE]

his knowledge of himself is not being questioned. we are not questioning God on his own existence, we are talking about iblees, his creation. his knowledge is sustained in his creations.

allah never existed before or after his knowlege, Allah and his knowledge have always been around

what the hell is that supposed to mean??
o God..
if you bothered yourself to take some classes on the likes of robert browning, you would realize how it is that people of your age are supposed to communicate with other human beings, you dumb ass!
the word that you should be to using is devotion, not knowledge. God, the entity is everywhere. He is in the clubs, the sewers and the bathrooms. devotion for him is not in the clubs and very unlikely to be in bathrooms or sewers, okay?? there is a difference. and just because people are in clubs doesn't mean they don't have any or full knowledge of islam. sometimes they choose to neglect it.
instead of constantly telling me i am wrong about things and then jumping out of topic to make stupid remarks on unrelated matters, put some effort in to explaining to me why it is that you think i am wrong about something.

[Manzareh]

I have no time to take classes on a poet, perhaps if you took some lessons from the Quran instead of taking lessons from poets on how to communicate with human beings you wouldn't be such a twisted character.

if you say something, back it up. prove from a source that Allah is everyware. You wont be able to.

If I'm a dumbass i dread to think what that would make you.