Saudis to destroy prophet's tomb?

[Karachi]

^ we already know who backs them, this is not the issue. The problem is people like you who actually support them, you dont want to go against your so called brothers, even though they might totally destroy every thing. You are a whabhi and talib lover, we already know this

Also most saudis love their kings, that's why there is not even a sign of a revolution there. Egypt was also supported by the west, but at least Egyptians had the courage to rise against their leadership, this is the difference. You are obviously too blind to understand this. People like you are the reason muslims are slaves of their radical and jahil ulema, you do nothing to change anything and encourage other muslims to do nothing as well, keeping them backwards forever

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ we already know who backs them, this is not the issue. The problem is people like you who actually support them, you dont want to go against your so called brothers, even though they might totally destroy every thing. You are a whabhi and talib lover, we already know this

Also most saudis love their kings, that's why there is not even a sign of a revolution there. Egypt was also supported by the west, but at least Egyptians had the courage to rise against their leadership, this is the difference. You are obviously too blind to understand any thing. People like you are the reason muslims are slaves of their radical and jahil ulema, you do nothing to change anything and encourage other muslims to do nothing as well, keeping them backwards forever

You are a fu-cking idiot. People like me that support Saudi Arabia? Did you read the article above you piece of garbage?

Its people like you that perpetually bitch and moan without dealing with the issue.

My brothers? I have not one Saudi friend and practice hanafi Islam.

Egypt rose against their dictator? In what context idiot. Mubarak's economy was in shambles. And whose ring is Morsi kissing?

Not a sign of a revolution? Did you read the article fu-cktard? There are many nameless and faceless Saudis languishing in jails.

Its your screwball Zardari and now your bosom buddy Mr. Karsai who are more than willing to allow them infrastructure space.

So just like your native city, keep bending over because there is a large saudi phallus coming your way.

Regarding the bs, if you are talking about the right of native peoples to have a say in their country, well once again, talk to Mr. Karzai who wants them to come to his bargaining table - not me.

Get an education and learn to read because your level of analysis and understanding of the world and its affairs amounts to:

1) Whine bit-ch and moan like a 5 year old with the same level of understanding as one
2) Relegate all responsibility to Saudi Arabia - who are your native country's biggest backer after the good ole USA

Whats your solution for Africa sh-it head? More interventionalism? Perhaps you ought to get on the first plane over there and remove the menace yourself. Then high tail it to your old haunts in the Saudi oilfields and deal with your master.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ we already know who backs them, this is not the issue. The problem is people like you who actually support them, you dont want to go against your so called brothers, even though they might totally destroy every thing. You are a whabhi and talib lover, we already know this

Also most saudis love their kings, that's why there is not even a sign of a revolution there. Egypt was also supported by the west, but at least Egyptians had the courage to rise against their leadership, this is the difference. You are obviously too blind to understand this. People like you are the reason muslims are slaves of their radical and jahil ulema, you do nothing to change anything and encourage other muslims to do nothing as well, keeping them backwards forever

And please comment on why the non Taliban government gave them the space you are lamenting?

[Karachi]

You are a fu-cking idiot. People like me that support Saudi Arabia? Did you read the article above you piece of garbage?

Its people like you that perpetually bitch and moan without dealing with the issue.

My brothers? I have not one Saudi friend and practice hanafi Islam.

Egypt rose against their dictator? In what context idiot. Mubarak's economy was in shambles. And whose ring is Morsi kissing?

Not a sign of a revolution? Did you read the article fu-cktard? There are many nameless and faceless Saudis languishing in jails.

Its your screwball Zardari and now your bosom buddy Mr. Karsai who are more than willing to allow them infrastructure space.

So just like your native city, keep bending over because there is a large saudi phallus coming your way.

Regarding the bs, if you are talking about the right of native peoples to have a say in their country, well once again, talk to Mr. Karzai who wants them to come to his bargaining table - not me.

Get an education and learn to read because your level of analysis and understanding of the world and its affairs amounts to:

1) Whine bit-ch and moan like a 5 year old with the same level of understanding as one
2) Relegate all responsibility to Saudi Arabia - who are your native country's biggest backer after the good ole USA

Whats your solution for Africa sh-it head? More interventionalism? Perhaps you ought to get on the first plane over there and remove the menace yourself. Then high tail it to your old haunts in the Saudi oilfields and deal with your master.

idiot, the issue in this thread is the destruction of makkah, what do americans have to do with that? why are you bringing all those other issues?

You can't criticize your wahabhi lovers, that's why you keep talking about all the other nonsense issues.

The fact is, it is the wahabhi ideolgy + Saudi Greed which is destroying Makkah, nothing else. You are a blind fool who supports all that is wrong with muslims. You are the biggest Jahil/Hypocrite out-there because you act as if you are some educated/sophisticated muslim, yet you have a mentality of a Jahil caveman

[Friend]

idiot, the issue in this thread is the destruction of makkah, what do americans have to do with that? why are you bringing all those other issues?

You can't criticize your wahabhi lovers, that's why you keep talking about all the other nonsense issues.

The fact is, it is the wahabhi ideolgy + Saudi Greed which is destroying Makkah, nothing else. You are a blind fool who supports all that is wrong with muslims. You are the biggest Jahil/Hypocrite out-there because you act as if you are some educated/sophisticated muslim, yet you have a mentality of a Jahil caveman

hahahaha big joke this Karachi guy is. Let you both guys send your CVs and let all the posts posted by BarakzaiAbdali and by you Karachi and let the forum members decide who is more educated and sophisticated.
Karachi you don't know his background and calling him wahabi and taliban supporter, it reflects your level of understanding and judging people.
So when are you going to tell us about your educational background and the achievements that you have got except for the travel tickets that you were issued to different countries in different periods of time.

[khushal]

idiot, the issue in this thread is the destruction of makkah, what do americans have to do with that? why are you bringing all those other issues?

You can't criticize your wahabhi lovers, that's why you keep talking about all the other nonsense issues.

The fact is, it is the wahabhi ideolgy + Saudi Greed which is destroying Makkah, nothing else. You are a blind fool who supports all that is wrong with muslims. You are the biggest Jahil/Hypocrite out-there because you act as if you are some educated/sophisticated muslim, yet you have a mentality of a Jahil caveman

but the indegenous people that are trying to take out the saudi regime and have their voices heard are being bombed, jailed and tortured by the ones that are protecting the undemocratic saudi regime. The problem is your in shallow waters, go deeper, go to the root. Dont blame the prostitute, blame the pimp.

[Karachi]

^ since when are saudis rising, being bombed etc..? except the shias in the eastern province. The Salafis/wahabhis at least majority of them love their kings/princess and the whole dynasty of sauds, It's a joke to even suggest that saudis are against the family, they are part of it and support every decision they make. Only some dont support them in the Hejaz area

[BarakzaiAbdali]

idiot, the issue in this thread is the destruction of makkah, what do americans have to do with that? why are you bringing all those other issues?

You can't criticize your wahabhi lovers, that's why you keep talking about all the other nonsense issues.

The fact is, it is the wahabhi ideolgy + Saudi Greed which is destroying Makkah, nothing else. You are a blind fool who supports all that is wrong with muslims. You are the biggest Jahil/Hypocrite out-there because you act as if you are some educated/sophisticated muslim, yet you have a mentality of a Jahil caveman

The destruction of Makkah is secondary jackass.

Muhammad (S) found great importance in Makkah but even predicted that one day, its most sacred treasure the Kabah would be destroyed by brigands. Read the literature.

What is more important is autonomy and the right of Saudi dissidents to speak their mind and convince their public of the argument for saving these sites. Instead they are jailed and worse.

Women there have been beat by the secret police and jailed for protesting the driving ban. Multitudes of Saudi females in the country and abroad have tried to campaign for this right and then the Bin Baazite ulema who basically granted permission for foreign nations to sit in Saudi Arabia silences them.

Any hint of trouble approaching Saudi, whether in Yemen or Bahrain is out of the media news and squelched immediatly. The Bahrain issue posed a deep threat to the Saudi regime since it was in their backyard.

Scores of sunni and shiite dissidents in Bahrain were jailed and tortured or worse. The Bahrain discussion was squelched as the proximity to the oil lifeline was ever too close.

In the 1970s renegades wanted to even form a Makkah protectorate. The Saudi royals + Pakistan + France flushed them out and murdered them in the droves.

So shut the hell up and read a book. Its high time people took responsibility for their own actions.

It is you that has to justify the circuitous and idiotic situation you are in where you claim both the resistance and the Karzai government are funded by Kharej indirectly and then bitch and moan when your best friends did EXACTLY what Pakistan does and except Saudi money and a mosque.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ since when are saudis rising, being bombed etc..? except the shias in the eastern province. The Salafis/wahabhis, at least majority of them love their kings/princess and the whole dynasty of sauds, It's a joke to even suggest that saudis are against the family, they are part of it and support every decision they make

What the hell are you talking about? YOu are still yapping like a biatch. Read about the Bedouin tribes and the massacre they experienced less than a century ago when Saud made his kingdom. The people were up in arms as were clerics when the British and others were coming to the kingdom to develop the oil. They Ikhwaan were massacred in large numbers with their help. To this day descendents of these bedouin tribes are not state players and, as long as the state leaves them alone, they learned the murderous lesson Saud taught them. In Fahd's era instability was reaching new highs when Saudi was going broke paying for Gullf War 1.

I repeat, the Saudis are YOUR problem. Its you and your idiot policy that keeps them powerful.

With regard to the average people are no different than your BS MQM/PPP mentality people who murder Pashtuns day in and out in Karachi but the people say not a word due to the support structure their party gives them.

There are multitudes of human rights watch reports of excesses of the kingdom against academics at home and abroad. For you to label them all as complicit is as dumb as everyone assuming that every pakistani is a pro TTP Mullah Omar guy.

[Karachi]

The destruction of Makkah is secondary jackass.

Muhammad (S) found great importance in Makkah but even predicted that one day, its most sacred treasure the Kabah would be destroyed by brigands. Read the literature.

What is more important is autonomy and the right of Saudi dissidents to speak their mind and convince their public of the argument for saving these sites. Instead they are jailed and worse.

Women there have been beat by the secret police and jailed for protesting the driving ban. Multitudes of Saudi females in the country and abroad have tried to campaign for this right and then the Bin Baazite ulema who basically granted permission for foreign nations to sit in Saudi Arabia silences them.

Any hint of trouble approaching Saudi, whether in Yemen or Bahrain is out of the media news and squelched immediatly. The Bahrain issue posed a deep threat to the Saudi regime since it was in their backyard.

Scores of sunni and shiite dissidents in Bahrain were jailed and tortured or worse. The Bahrain discussion was squelched as the proximity to the oil lifeline was ever too close.

In the 1970s renegades wanted to even form a Makkah protectorate. The Saudi royals + Pakistan + France flushed them out and murdered them in the droves.

So shut the hell up and read a book. Its high time people took responsibility for their own actions.

It is you that has to justify the circuitous and idiotic situation you are in where you claim both the resistance and the Karzai government are funded by Kharej indirectly and then bitch and moan when your best friends did EXACTLY what Pakistan does and except Saudi money and a mosque.

oh please, just because some journalists have been jailed doesn't mean the saudi population is suffering, most average saudi joes dont give a damn about anything, they love their government and the saud family. I have lived there for 14 years, so I know what I am talking about. The only people who are rising and are actually suffering are the some shias in the eastern province, not your beloved wahabhis, who are partner in crime with the royals

[sunni]

^ since when are saudis rising, being bombed etc..? except the shias in the eastern province. The Salafis/wahabhis at least majority of them love their kings/princess and the whole dynasty of sauds, It's a joke to even suggest that saudis are against the family, they are part of it and support every decision they make. Only some dont support them in the Hejaz area

oh please, just because some journalists have been jailed doesn't mean the saudi population is suffering, most average saudi joes dont give a damn about anything, they love their government and the saud family. I have lived there for 14 years, so I know what I am talking about. The only people who are rising and are actually suffering are the some shias in the eastern province, not your beloved wahabhis, who are partner in crime with the royals

LOL pure mother****ers lies!!

the saudis people mostly don't Like the king fam but some of them do! and those who do like em are only shoes Lickers and would change thier minds if someone raised against the king family but there are no one right now, cuz lots of them are being jailed or GONE! lol

this is a true story about a 13-16 years old boy who is somlai and was born here, he was studying quran in this mosque and he would go there everyday, one day they students were talking about the muslims and this kid mentioned OSama bin laden name khodi de wabakhi thats all he did as i heard the story! the next day he went to the mosque, after a while some people wearing the arab thobs entered the mosque and went straight to this kid without talking to anyone not even his teacher could talk, they took him and his family don't know where is he now!

i can tell you this kid have no wrong views and he would run away of fear if there is a cat after him! lol he was so innocent just becuase he mentioned osama name, he is gone!

the saud family jailed every mulla who you call wahabi! and leaved the faggots who talk **** about islam and the prophet alive!

the media in SA is controlled by the liberal people who are mostly atheist, and talk crap in twitter about islam and muslims.

they don't wanna raise up against the king family becuase:
they don't wanna be gone and jailed forever.
they don't have support from others and the SA gov have ALL the world and specially US.
they don't wanna lose this country for the shia, they prefer the saud family over the shia.
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you should know why the say in every dua, ya allah make our king to the right path يا رب أصلح مليكنا

[BarakzaiAbdali]

oh please, just because some journalists have been jailed doesn't mean the saudi population is suffering, most average saudi joes dont give a damn about anything, they love their government and the saud family. I have lived there for 14 years, so I know what I am talking about. The only people who are rising and are actually suffering are the some shias in the eastern province, not your beloved wahabhis, who are partner in crime with the royals

You are still degrading everyone's intelligence. Quit while you are not so far behind

Look at the Egyptian revolution that you referred to as the exampler of all revolutions.

You once again prove an inability to understand how revolutions work. The majority of the times circumstances and not morality propel the revolution forward.

This same fed belly complacency is what keeps the two party system of the US intact.

In Egypts case the rising cost of food put the Egyptians in a situation where they had nothing to lose:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world...ood_11-30.html

"SANDY TOLAN: Since 2007, global food shortages have created huge price spikes. The cost of tomatoes, cooking oil and lentils skyrocketed and helped fuel the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak.
WOMAN (through translator): The revolution started because of the price increase. In the old days, nothing like this happened. Whether it was meat, chicken or vegetables, food wasn't this expensive."

This is despite the rest of the Egyptian economy doing well, but well for a few people.

In Saudi here is what happens:

"With the help of social media, the protests grew into a petition revolution that spread throughout the country, peaking in Riyadh when hundreds gathered for a Day of Rage. They called for major changes in Saudi life, including basic women’s rights, a constitutional monarchy and labor rights

Security forces successfully contained the demonstrations in Riyadh, the government arrested the leaders of a political opposition party, King Abdullah offered $39 billion in social reforms and the grand mufti in Riyadh issued a fatwa against protests"

Read more at Middle East Voices: http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/...#ixzz2B6TGcGyB

And here is what Saudi does to further ensure that the same fuel that ignited the populace against Mubarak does not get fertilized in Saudi:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...bia-protesters

"Of course, the scale of the bribes the king offered last week to his country's alienated young generation – £22bn – is something only an oil-rich monarch could deliver. The Saudi king speaks as a father to the youthful population – after all, this is the only royal family to give its name to its people – and he expects them to obey the name al-Saud as they would their own father."

Simple equation, you give people nothing to lose, and they end up realizing their back is to the wall and do what is necessary. That is why a significant portion of the Egyptian population voted for a Mubarak era official against Morsi. But you dont read, so you make idiotic stereotypical, unsubstantiated assertions.
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If one thought the way you do there would be an assumption that all Pakistanis support the Taliban etc etc.

The wahabbis are ALL yours, Mr. Zardari, and Mr. Karzai (aka Zardarzai the second) since it is YOU that invites them in. There is no Taliban power in Kabul for you to claim anything otherwise at this juncture.

Go read a book and quit wasting time with your usual simplicities.

A standard Karachi conversation:

Night club in Malaysia gets attacked ---> Karachi curses extremists and does not read up on what happened ---> Karachi gets emotional and says dumb crap ---> Karachi gets caught with his pants down because nothing he says makes temporal sense.

[Karachi]

^ those people who are doing those on line protests are not even religious you dumbass, those are westernized urbanized saudis who have studied in the west, I am not talking about them. I am focusing on your lovers wahabhi religious saudis who have allegiance and partnership with the royals. Just go see how their partnership was made in history you dumb moron, you dont even know the history at all.

It's so obvious you dont want to criticize your lovers at all and blame everything on the west and other countries like a typical extremist supporter

I never said all saudis are evil, I was always focusing on their religious wahabhi establishment and their royals who are evil

[BarakzaiAbdali]

^ those people who are doing those on line protests are not even religious you dumbass, those are westernized urbanized saudis who have studied in the west, I am not talking about them. I am focusing on your lovers wahabhi religious saudis who have allegiance and partnership with the royals. Just go see how their partnership was made in history you dumb moron, you dont even know the history at all.

It's so obvious you dont want to criticize your lovers at all and blame everything on the west and other countries

What the hell do you call the militants attacking the country? And where is your proof, you stupid sh-it for brains that its "westerners"?

Here is a list of militant attacks catalogued for a simpleton like you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Saudi_Arabia

Also what the hell do you call the spat between the the "grand poobah" they killed in Abbatobad and the royals? A love affair of the heart? I swear talking to you kills brain cells at a fast rate.

The only history one needs to know is that historically you are a stupid piece of sh-it who runs his mouth without evidence at hand and like a whiney bi-tch.

But at least now you are "focusing on the religious wahabi saudis that support the state" indicating a crack of light got into that thick skull of yours.

Blame the West? For what? for the obvious? For arming those SOBs to the teeth? Ask your beloved Tahrir square protesters who they blamed for backing Mubarak dumb sh-it.

And as I said, answer the question, who told Karzai to let them build your wahhabi spa in the country? Mullah Omar?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

they don't wanna raise up against the king family becuase:
they don't wanna be gone and jailed forever.
they don't have support from others and the SA gov have ALL the world and specially US.
they don't wanna lose this country for the shia, they prefer the saud family over the shia.
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They prefer Hypocrites and Munafiqs who oppress them for people who never oppressed them? What kind of ass-backwards logic is that.

That means they don't rise up because they're as crooked as the Sauds

anyone who supports the corrupt; is apart of the corrupt.