Egyptian predicts the fall of Islam.

[Khostai]

So I was browsing youtube videos about Islam and came across this.

Egyptian predicts the fall of Islam. - YouTube

What do you think?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

very insightful and relevant argument, this guy is saying a lot of pertinent and valid claims. However the problem I have is he is giving a false dichotomy that we have to either forget this or embrace this. And makes a false association that Arab= Muslim, the people involved in Qurtoub, Qahirah , Baghdad etc. were Muslims predominantly whether or not they were Arabs.

[Afghanistan2010]

He is not only a disbeliever but is well known for his hatred toward islam...

[khushal]

I am not seeing any evidence that Islam itself prevents modernity. We have seen the Egyptian society who are Muslim demand democracy and freedom, but it is the West who is putting obsticles in its path from evolving. So how is Islam preventing modernity.

[Karachi]

Islam is not against modernity, however it would be defiantly against "westernization". islam can not be compatible with such a opposite life style.

[faye]

imams that tell a kuwaiti woman that sex slaves are still a valid option are not ready for modernity. many muslims seem to be able to live within the western systems, comfortably.
many seem to be pining for the past lifestyle.
afghanistan and other muslim countries seem to have this issue to deal with, where some want to incorporate the modern and some don't.
but what do you consider modernityas opposed to westernisation, karachi?

[Toramana]

I am not seeing any evidence that Islam itself prevents modernity. We have seen the Egyptian society who are Muslim demand democracy and freedom, but it is the West who is putting obsticles in its path from evolving. So how is Islam preventing modernity.

The same is being done by Mullah Omar and company demanding democracy and freedom to rule exclusively with sword imposing an outdated moral system of bygone ages and limit freedom (all sort religious, sectarian, political, intellectual, etc.) of others. Let us see how the Akhwanis of Egypt tolerate and promote rationality, the diversity of belief, traditions, and thought, and freedom of speech and intellect in Egyptian society.

If Islam were so effective as a political and governing system, Taleban would be successful in feeding the hungry populace.

[Toramana]

Although, one doesn't agree totally with the guy in the video, there is no doubt that Islamic societies have become consumerist societies for the material products of modernity. By the material products of modernity I mean the gadgets like cars, planes, ships, even the minutest things. One should not even talks of ideas, thoughts, artistic creativity, etc.

Islamic society is a totally dependent society today ---a kind of rural/primitive society that runs on a barter system exchanging raw material with the civilized world for technology and governing models. It borrows ideas and solutions from the rest of the world and cannot generate its own ideas and solutions. For the last few hundred years, not even a single system of thought, theory, scientific or philosophical model, etc. has been developed by a Muslim.

Problem-solving ability, engineering knowledge, technological know-how and innovation, scientific curiosity and explorations, etc. are nill in Muslim societies. Saudi Arabia is the best example of this consumerism of modernity where you have sky-rise buildings, wide roads, best cars etc.(all products of modernity) but where humans using these things are closed to questions like how and why.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

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If Islam were so effective as a political and governing system, Taleban would be successful in feeding the hungry populace.

Why look at Taliban wrora? why not the Abbassiyah or places where Islam had long term success?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

He is not only a disbeliever but is well known for his hatred toward islam...

how is he a disbeliever, are you saying he is saying things which are entirely incorrect?

[Karachi]

Although, one doesn't agree totally with the guy in the video, there is no doubt that Islamic societies have become consumerist societies for the material products of modernity. By the material products of modernity I mean the gadgets like cars, planes, ships, even the minutest things. One should not even talks of ideas, thoughts, artistic creativity, etc.

Islamic society is a totally dependent society today ---a kind of rural/primitive society that runs on a barter system exchanging raw material with the civilized world for technology and governing models. It borrows ideas and solutions from the rest of the world and cannot generate its own ideas and solutions. For the last few hundred years, not even a single system of thought, theory, scientific or philosophical model, etc. has been developed by a Muslim.

Problem-solving ability, engineering knowledge, technological know-how and innovation, scientific curiosity and explorations, etc. are nill in Muslim societies. Saudi Arabia is the best example of this consumerism of modernity where you have sky-rise buildings, wide roads, best cars etc.(all products of modernity) but where humans using these things are closed to questions like how and why.

I totally agree with what you are saying, muslims socieities have indeed become that, but that is also because of lack of knowledge and practice of Islam. Islam is certainly not a greedy and capitalistic based religion, Islam is all about welfare and charity, which we hardy see in the muslim world. Muslim world is far away from real Islam in every sense, that's why we can't blame islam from the ills of muslim societies and muslims. we must always show the true image of Islam, which is unfortunately lost in all the modern confusions.

[Karachi]

imams that tell a kuwaiti woman that sex slaves are still a valid option are not ready for modernity. many muslims seem to be able to live within the western systems, comfortably.
many seem to be pining for the past lifestyle.
afghanistan and other muslim countries seem to have this issue to deal with, where some want to incorporate the modern and some don't.
but what do you consider modernityas opposed to westernisation, karachi?

Faye, western society like any society has good and bad aspects, my concern though is that (non western) people mostly adopt the bad aspects of the society, they never adopt good things like science, technology etc... if they adopted good aspects of western societies and at the same time kept Islamic values, that would be the best

[faye]

but what is modernity to you? science and technology and what is the etc?

[Karachi]

^ basically any thing that benefits the society, not any thing that harms it

[Toramana]

^ basically any thing that benefits the society, not any thing that harms it

That is a very vague statement. Modernity is neither Western nor Eastern. It means open-ness to ideas and liberation of mind from the clutches of tradition and superstition.