Circumcision: Ban

[tor_khan]

Fortress Europe at it again. Here's another one to digest:

A ban on circumcision in Germany has shocked the nation's Jews and Muslims. The right of parents to make decisions for their children is now under the spotlight. A court ruling in Germany effectively banning circumcision has united Jews and Muslims in anger - and they are backed by the country's main medical association.

The ruling by the district court of Cologne says circumcision "for the purpose of religious upbringing constitutes a violation of physical integrity". The judgement added: "The child's body is permanently and irreparably changed by the circumcision. This change conflicts with the child's interest of later being able to make his own decision on his religious affiliation."

Source: BBC

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[faye]

fortress europe? how many muslim countries can non muslims go into and have as much freedom of religion, education and lifestyle, as muslims have in the european countries that have chosen to move to?
i don't think there is even a church in saudi. maybe 1.

[al-arab]

Absurd law.

There are plenty of churches in the Arab world. Christianity originates from the Middle East and Arab/Semetic world (Palestine, Israel). In fact there are way more churches in Arab countries that mosques in European countries.

The oldest churches are found in the Muslim world.

Christianity never really reached KSA and not for very long since most of current day KSA was very sparsely inhabited. A few hundred thousand people only. Sure, there were some Jewish and Christian tribes but they never really made their cultural mark.

You also have plenty of new churches in Kuwait, UAE, Qatar etc. and places of worship.

Anyway this topic is not about churches or mosques but a senseless law.

[Friend]

Pathetic actions of atheists provoke our sentiments.

[faye]

Absurd law.

Anyway this topic is not about churches or mosques but a senseless law.

your own people aren't even free in muslim lands. that is why you all leaving or are already in europe and other western countries. so don't start bs'ing about the liberality of your ex-cradle of civilisation.

isn't the skin on the penis, protection? a protective sheath?

[Afghanistan2010]

fortress europe? how many muslim countries can non muslims go into and have as much freedom of religion, education and lifestyle, as muslims have in the european countries that have chosen to move to?
i don't think there is even a church in saudi. maybe 1.

They do not pronounce how they tolerate others,religeous freedom,democracy and such things....

if you claim to be the best chosen government on earth,then you should prove this,if not you are biased government,based on lies.

[drona]

Almaniya, Air il'e yoshmotak !!

[torkham]

My first son was circumcised in hamburg. The German doctor tried to persuade me that it was not necessary and aesthetically not pleasing. Rightfully I had my way and my boy was circumcised.

Now, for living in the west, I went to Europe and decided it was not for me. I remained there for a decade and finally chose to return; to live and raise my family in a Muslim country.

I know if I was living in Germany or uk I would have many privileges not available to me in UAE or many other Muslim countries, like a unemployment benefit, free medical care, state pension, free education, especially in Germany where it is free all the way to PhD.

Now I live between my home in Afghanistan and work in Dubai. I cannot reconcile the hypocrisy of living in the west, labeling the westerners and being labelled by the westerners, so I have made a hard decision of living here. Thankfully no one will try to ban or restrict my Islamic rights here. I lived there, and I chose how much I can accept or tolerate for the sweetness of their rights and benefits.

This circumcision restriction, like the veil ban will simmer away, but their islamophobia will be persist.

[Friend]

My first son was circumcised in hamburg. The German doctor tried to persuade me that it was not necessary and aesthetically not pleasing. Rightfully I had my way and my boy was circumcised.

Now, for living in the west, I went to Europe and decided it was not for me. I remained there for a decade and finally chose to return; to live and raise my family in a Muslim country.

I know if I was living in Germany or uk I would have many privileges not available to me in UAE or many other Muslim countries, like a unemployment benefit, free medical care, state pension, free education, especially in Germany where it is free all the way to PhD.

Now I live between my home in Afghanistan and work in Dubai. I cannot reconcile the hypocrisy of living in the west, labeling the westerners and being labelled by the westerners, so I have made a hard decision of living here. Thankfully no one will try to ban or restrict my Islamic rights here. I lived there, and I chose how much I can accept or tolerate for the sweetness of their rights and benefits.

This circumcision restriction, like the veil ban will simmer away, but their islamophobia will be persist.

Mashallah, You are one of those very few people who give up living the west and prefer to live in a Muslim country. Praising on face is not good but I salute you for your courage.

[asad71]

1. The cleanliness and hygiene resulting from circumcision prevents many disease. Immunity increases as was observed among the Turkish wounded in the Korean War. And it is true that Muslims do not contact AIDS sexually because of circumcision.

2. There is a common feeling among non-Muslim women in SA that uncircumcised men are poor as mates. There is a biological reason. The foreskin covering keeps the tip tender which causes premature ej---- even at a slight friction.

3. Islamic customs are scientific.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Mashallah, You are one of those very few people who give up living the west and prefer to live in a Muslim country. Praising on face is not good but I salute you for your courage.

when will you have this courage?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

1. The cleanliness and hygiene resulting from circumcision prevents many disease. Immunity increases as was observed among the Turkish wounded in the Korean War. And it is true that Muslims do not contact AIDS sexually because of circumcision.

any medical papers that support this?

2. There is a common feeling among non-Muslim women in SA that uncircumcised men are poor as mates. There is a biological reason. The foreskin covering keeps the tip tender which causes premature ej---- even at a slight friction.

any scientific data to support this?

3. Islamic customs are scientific.

prove it by demonstrating scientific data/research which corroborates these

[torkham]

I appreciate your support of my personal choice, I think it is not so easy. Many of you are young, and need the right moment to make that journey. In your own time, and your capacity of self sufficiency ,inshallah you will make the right decision.

To be critical of my self, I would be truly brave and keeper of my words if I had taken one step further and lived in Afghanistan. The true heroes are the ones who live there and make a life out of their lot, their circumstances.

Back to circumcision of boys, it is sunnah.

Asad71, your claim of c'sed Muslim men not contracting AIDS souns fantastic!!! Correct me if I am wrong, having or not having foreskin does not eliminate the transfer of fluids which is required for transmitting AIDS. Isn't it simply matter of topical hygiene, like shaving the head to eliminate the environment for head lice?

[torkham]

I was trying to avoid the word!!!!

[Haris]

My first son was circumcised in hamburg. The German doctor tried to persuade me that it was not necessary and aesthetically not pleasing. Rightfully I had my way and my boy was circumcised.

Now, for living in the west, I went to Europe and decided it was not for me. I remained there for a decade and finally chose to return; to live and raise my family in a Muslim country.

I know if I was living in Germany or uk I would have many privileges not available to me in UAE or many other Muslim countries, like a unemployment benefit, free medical care, state pension, free education, especially in Germany where it is free all the way to PhD.

Now I live between my home in Afghanistan and work in Dubai. I cannot reconcile the hypocrisy of living in the west, labeling the westerners and being labelled by the westerners, so I have made a hard decision of living here. Thankfully no one will try to ban or restrict my Islamic rights here. I lived there, and I chose how much I can accept or tolerate for the sweetness of their rights and benefits.

This circumcision restriction, like the veil ban will simmer away, but their islamophobia will be persist.

I appreciate your support of my personal choice, I think it is not so easy. Many of you are young, and need the right moment to make that journey. In your own time, and your capacity of self sufficiency ,inshallah you will make the right decision.

To be critical of my self, I would be truly brave and keeper of my words if I had taken one step further and lived in Afghanistan. The true heroes are the ones who live there and make a life out of their lot, their circumstances.

Back to circumcision of boys, it is sunnah.

Der kha khabare de karrai Torkham lala.